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M
No it don't say "in all ways" ...or "all points" it says "pas" and it don't say tempted to sin... what its saying is His faith was tested just as our is...that's the clear context. That's what we see in the scriptures ...The testing of His faith...we don't see Him walking around lusting after women.
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin.
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin.
M
Again..testing of faith...as we see in scripture that He was...we never read that He was tempted to lust after a women in the manner of a sin filled man. To somehow read this passage as proof that Christ Jesus had sin in the flesh, is to reject all other scripture and with ones own sinful thoughts, impute that sin to Christ .... and again I make the point that one has to add to the Greek word "pas" something beyond what is written. If that translation makes someone think Christ had sin in the flesh? Its clearly a wrong translation
K
The temptations always exist all around us, and the meaning of the passage is that Lord would have surrounded by all those same temptations as we are. The difference is He never gave into those temptations and sinned, we though have fallen short and have given in and at times still give into temptations.
The reference to Him becoming sin is that He took our sins on Himself and suffered the consequence so we would not have to. He took our punishment we deserved for our sinful actions !!!
The reference to Him becoming sin is that He took our sins on Himself and suffered the consequence so we would not have to. He took our punishment we deserved for our sinful actions !!!
K
As I said the temptations were around as they always are, but Jesus did not give into them and sin Himself.
Lord Jesus did not lie, fornicate, or commit any other sin while walking in the flesh. He refused all temptations and did not give into them as He was without sin as the Word of God clearly says.
Lord Jesus did not lie, fornicate, or commit any other sin while walking in the flesh. He refused all temptations and did not give into them as He was without sin as the Word of God clearly says.
L
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
K
There is two threads discussing temptation right now and like I saw another say that needs to be talked about first is that temptation is not equal to sin.
Just because a person is tempted does not mean they have sinned.
For instance if an alcoholic stops drinking and then later on in life is tempted by another to drink again yet refuses, did he sin ??? No, as he did not give into the temptation that was put forth by another and return to that sinful way !!!
Just because a person is tempted does not mean they have sinned.
For instance if an alcoholic stops drinking and then later on in life is tempted by another to drink again yet refuses, did he sin ??? No, as he did not give into the temptation that was put forth by another and return to that sinful way !!!
M
If you see sin as only a reaction of the sinful flesh or lust in the flesh... then your wrong. If you see "sin" as disobedience to faith and the plan of God ..then yes, he was clearly tempted the same as we are. You cant just assume Jesus had lust like you do, based on this one poorly translated verse when the bible makes clear He had no sin...knew no sin...did no sin... that the devil had nothing in Him...that He was the Word made flesh. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin...Yes He was tested the same as we are to keep the faith...which is the clear context of Hebrews 4
M
the clear context of Heb 4 is faith...
And your willing to claim that Christ had sin in the flesh when there is not one word in the entire bible that would in anyway say that..In fact just the opposite is said in many places and in many ways.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. (of faith)
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Clearly the context is speaking of the trail of faith... and He was tested just as we are...so we hold fast the profession of our faith... we don't go back into unbelief
And your willing to claim that Christ had sin in the flesh when there is not one word in the entire bible that would in anyway say that..In fact just the opposite is said in many places and in many ways.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. (of faith)
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Clearly the context is speaking of the trail of faith... and He was tested just as we are...so we hold fast the profession of our faith... we don't go back into unbelief
Sorry but Hebrews 4 has nothing to do with Jesus facing a trail of faith.
Verses 1-11 are about the children of Israel not entering into his rest because of their unbelief and us entering into his rest because of our belief. This has nothing to do with Jesus being tempted in his faith.
Verses 12 & 13 are about God being able to see the real person. Again this has nothing to do with Jesus being tempted in his faith.
Verse 14 is about Jesus being the high priest. And I don't know why you bolded "so we hold fast the profession of our profession of faith. That doesn't even hint of the faith of Jesus being tempted.
Verse 15 tells us that our high priest knows what it's like to be us to a tee because he was tempted in all ways like we are.
Where do you find Jesus was tempted in his faith in all of that? It isn't there, in fact verse 15 which you say is mis-translated in all bible versions tells us exactly how Jesus was tempted; he was tempted in all ways like we are, yet without sin.
Verses 1-11 are about the children of Israel not entering into his rest because of their unbelief and us entering into his rest because of our belief. This has nothing to do with Jesus being tempted in his faith.
Verses 12 & 13 are about God being able to see the real person. Again this has nothing to do with Jesus being tempted in his faith.
Verse 14 is about Jesus being the high priest. And I don't know why you bolded "so we hold fast the profession of our profession of faith. That doesn't even hint of the faith of Jesus being tempted.
Verse 15 tells us that our high priest knows what it's like to be us to a tee because he was tempted in all ways like we are.
Where do you find Jesus was tempted in his faith in all of that? It isn't there, in fact verse 15 which you say is mis-translated in all bible versions tells us exactly how Jesus was tempted; he was tempted in all ways like we are, yet without sin.