Healing through the Son

Monnkai · Apr 10, 2018

LPT said:

I pray all goes well for you! God does indeed heal however we are not owed it as a result of being saved. Thankfully he has given me doctors capable of an alternative procedure opposed to an artificial valve many rant so blessed however since its my third time through the risk is much higher. There's a still a slim chance I'll die on the operating table but it could indeed happened

LPT · Apr 10, 2018

Monnkai said:

Thank you brother, and Yes indeed God can heal and God inspires people to be doctors for that very reason to heal.

when Jesus walked the earth people died around him, people were sick around him, inflicted with diseases, not all were healed and some where full blown believers and followers as well.

7seasrekeyed · Apr 10, 2018

BenFTW said:

let us know when you perform you next surgery

your doctor sounds much like the unknown sources the liberal media likes to trot out

however, your tired and over used 'passive aggressive' default supposed to put someone in their place (when you are only pandering to the folks who already clap whenever you perform) is a non sequitor

the rabbits you are pulling from your hat are dead

I think few people would say I am passive aggressive as I am very direct

perhaps try the default position of joanie and say I attacked you

I wrote what I did because of a genuine concern for people and the fact someone may be wondering if they should go to a doctor or just pray. you wrote something that was not true regarding a medical condition that you know nothing whatsoever about

please don't counsel anyone. about anything.

the best thing that could happen to these threads, is to ignore them and just let the club members attend

BenFTW · Apr 10, 2018

7seasrekeyed said:

Your ignorance is not bliss, just so you know. Your so called knowledge of a medical condition is based upon the experience of a doctor (of which many are hardly trained for but, and not even, a total of a day's worth of hours in regards to nutrition). I didn't say they should not go to a doctor and pray. That is you reading into what I said. I suggested that a person not go to the extreme, invasive surgery, and consider their options. People often time, have time to respond to their condition and reverse and heal. A suggestion.

Please speak when you're informed and stop making blanket statements. I don't have an issue with being direct, but what I do know is that our words should be spoken gracefully. Something you and Depleted lack (and bad judgement). I could continue, but then I'd only be mirroring you and that isn't who I want to be. Even this statement, this judgement, I feel is offensive. You see, I pay attention to what I say, because I know my words carry impact. Do you?

BenFTW · Apr 10, 2018

BenFTW said:

Do you think me speaking in this direct manner feels good? No. It grieves my spirit, as I know how I should conduct myself. Yet you, and Depleted, have no notion of empathy. You speak, tear down, and let the cards fall as they might not considering the damage that it does. Yet I cannot judge, because God is sanctifying you and Depleted. As He is me. However, your judgments are faulty and for this reason, I am not ashamed to point them out.

BenFTW · Apr 11, 2018

Since you're not currently receiving private messages 7seasrekeyed, I have to do this publicly. I'm sorry for my lack of patience with you.

wolfwint · Apr 11, 2018

joaniemarie said:

But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

Mark 7:27

This was a strong statement that Jesus made to a woman that came to ask Him to heal her daughter. Jesus was telling her that she had no right to ask for healing, since she wasn’t Jewish. Wisely and remarkably, this woman humbled herself and pleaded for mercy instead of trying to demand her rights. She didn’t have any rights. And when Jesus had mercy on her, she returned home to find her daughter healed. It’s that simple. She received based on Jesus, not on what she deserved.

Many of you may wonder, If God heals today, then where is it? How do I get it manifest? You believe it works, but you don’t know how. Maybe you’ve seen someone stand and not get healed. Or maybe you have stood for your own healing and have not seen it manifest. Whichever it is, your faith has been shaken as a result. Well, I want you to know that God wants you well. And I want to share with you how it works.

One of the things you have to be convinced of before you even approach this is that healing is in Christ’s atonement. Look at what it says here in 1 Peter, talking about Jesus:

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 Peter 2:24

Notice how it says Jesus took stripes for your healing! It’s yours! It’s one of the things Jesus bought for you through His sacrifice! And this verse says, “Ye were healed” (emphasis mine)—past tense. This is such a clear statement that I wonder how any Christian could not believe that.

But I’ve learned that many people don’t let the Bible get in the way of their theology.

Even some who believe God can heal don’t believe He will or has already healed. They say things like, “Well, God heals but not all the time. Sometimes it’s not His will.” But it’s hard to argue with a past-tense statement like that of 1 Peter 2:24.
It’s taken from a prophecy Isaiah gave in Isaiah 53, which says,
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:5

Some people try to make this mean Jesus only took stripes for our spiritual healing. Well, he did suffer for our spiritual health, but let’s look at how the prophecy was fulfilled, in Matthew 8:

When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: [17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Matthew 8:16-17, brackets mine

This makes it clear that Jesus suffered for your healing! It belongs to you.
Healing is the children’s bread. It’s your portion. It’s what God has given to you. If you’re a Christian, healing belongs to you! If you just meditate on the implications of this for a while, it’d go a long way in seeing healing manifest. You’d just realize, I don’t have to be sick. That’s exactly right.

Many people believe that God wants them well, but they don’t understand how it works. I’ve got a lot of revelation on this. I don’t know it all. I haven’t arrived, but I’ve left and I’ve seen awesome miracles, including my own son being raised up after over four hours of death. I’ve devoted all of March’s television programs, and even some of April’s, to sharing these truths. We’ve also put together a lot of my teaching that will specifically share with you how you can receive the healing Jesus has already provided for you.

What I want to do with the rest of the space of this letter is share with you some of the healing testimonies through this ministry of how it’s worked in people’s lives. These are regular people just like you and me. Don’t think that they are better than you or more spiritual—that is not what this is about. This is about what Jesus paid for and not about your performance. This isn’t just hearsay. You can see and hear these testimonies and eighteen others online, at

www.awmi.net/extra/healing.

From the time Hannah Terradez was born, she had a rare autoimmune disease called eosinophilic enteropathy, which meant her body built up allergies to nearly every kind of food. Her immune system would attack food she’d eat and then reject it. There was no known cure, only a radical survival method: a feeding tube. And at the age of three years old, she was still wearing nine-month-old baby clothes!

But one day, her parents, Ashley and Carlie, got hold of one of my old tapes and heard me say, “By His stripes, we were healed.” After the tape finished, they’d heard the nearly-too-good-to-be-true news. Hope began to arise in their hearts. Carlie said, “We’d never heard Scripture revealed so clearly and simply. The Word took root in our hearts and became more real to us than what the doctors were saying.” Then Carlie realized that Hannah had spoken like this every night for their bedtime prayer, saying, “Dear Jesus, thank You for loving me and for healing me.” They just realized that in her childlike faith, she had been praying a profound truth all along. It was a done deal!

The next day, they found where I was holding meetings and brought Hannah to have me pray for her. I told them it was a piece of cake for God to heal her and all they needed to do was agree with me in prayer. I took authority over Satan, telling him to leave, and commanded Hannah’s body to stop attacking food and to be well. Then I told Ashley and Carlie they needed to walk out what they believed.

They would have eased her into a normal diet, but once again, Hannah was ahead of them, saying, “I want to go to McDonald’s!” And that settled it for Ashley and Carlie. They couldn’t find a McDonald’s, so they took her to Kentucky Fried Chicken, where she ate chicken nuggets, ice cream, yogurt, cheese, chocolate, and fruit juice for the first time in her life! She’s been eating normally ever since! Praise the Lord!

How did this happen? They got hold of the truth that by Jesus’ stripes, Hannah was healed, and then with childlike faith—BOOM—her healing manifested! And it wasn’t just because I prayed for them. They had to stand on this for themselves when the symptoms tried to come back.

Let me share with you one more testimony. This one’s about Mike Hoesch. Back in 2000, he had an itch on his chest that persisted, and when he examined the area, and he noticed a pimple-sized sore. He dismissed it, but the itch remained.
Months passed and the sore hadn’t gone away; it began to worsen. Although he believed in healing, he’d been involved with a ministry for twenty years that focused on performance-based doctrine. So, while he knew healing was available, he believed it was conditional upon his efforts. He continued to suffer, as the sore began to grow.

After trying herbal remedies, to no avail, he went to see a doctor, thinking it was no problem. But when he learned it was a malignant neoplasm, a cancerous skin tumor, he panicked! But not wanting to do anything driven by fear, Mike cancelled his appointment with the surgeon.

Over the next several years, the growth became a very large and troublesome tumor requiring cleaning and bandaging several times a day. The tumor slowly drained the life out of him, and in his weakened condition, he was forced to quit his job.
Mike purposed in his heart that he would seek the Lord and spend time in His Word. While his intentions were good, he struggled as he began to see things in the Word contrary to what he had been taught over the previous twenty years.

Still confused, he began confessing healing Scriptures, not out of understanding, but out of a desire to earn his healing.
One day, as he was wrestling with faith and his beliefs, a friend brought him my teaching You’ve Already Got It!. As he began listening, the Lord confirmed things He had been showing Mike in the Word. He started rejoicing: “It just blessed me so much when I heard Andrew sharing these things. It was like, yes, yes, I’ve already got it! I was waiting for the Lord to intervene again on my behalf, but he had already done that in Christ. Everything that I had, every sickness, disease, or sin that I’ll ever commit or had committed—Christ bore!” With his faith strengthened, Mike completely let go of his tumor, switching his focus to Jesus, to receive what He had provided.

A month after this, his wife noticed the tumor had decreased in size. At one time, this would’ve sent Mike through the roof rejoicing, but because of his newfound steadfastness in the Word, his reaction was one of calm expectancy. He had come to realize the cancer had to leave because of what Jesus had already done for him, and about five months later, his chest was clear.

These are just two examples of how it works! You may have a different situation, but these same truths will work for you too. Remember, healing is your bread—it belongs to you. Once you have that settled, your childlike faith will be rekindled that God has already done it. Then you need to take your authority over the devil and walk out what you believe.

Bread Children's healing

Again, you are claiming to speak the truth in useing misinterpretation of the bible Verses. You claim the same healings are for today as in the days of Jesus. Without Proof. ( your testamonies showes that God heals Today, what I believe, too)
Non of the writers of the NT letters which are for the Church teaches what you ore your healing preachers distribute. Where is the mass of healed christians? Oh, the Not false teaching? the lack on faith? Is to geh healed a Thing of teaching?
Why you dont go in the Slums? Why you dont go to the poor christians worlwide which are lacking everything even health. I Met poor Indians with a greater Faith then we have, because thats all what they have. What you proclaim is destructive, because its a lie. God Loves bis Children thats True, but that he has promised a Live in health for every of his children is a lie! He is caŕrying through, and is with us each moment, this Promise he gave. Its Good to give People hope and turn their focus to Christ. But not with false promises!

Cee · Apr 11, 2018

Is anyone along you sick? Let him call for the elders to pray for him. And the prayer of faith will restore him.

Is this a false promise? Is this trying to get God to do something? It’s a simple Scripture and I simply believe it.

BenFTW · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

Its called the prayer of faith, which begs the question. What do the elders believe? God's will to heal.

Cee · Apr 11, 2018

You raise an interesting point because the word for faith is pisteau. This means to trust, the pis prefix comes from the word persuaded, it IS difficult to trust or be persuaded if we don’t believe God wants to answer our prayer. What would happen if we weren’t persuaded that God wanted people saved? It would be difficult to know they were saved even when they didn’t appear to be.

BenFTW · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

What I find interesting is the response the apostles gave to the man in Acts 3, at the gate named Beautiful. "Such as I have, I give thee", said Peter, and then commanded him in the name of Jesus to rise up and walk. What did he have? Was it the name of Jesus?

Notice how in later verses it says the Father glorified the Son through the healing of the man? How does healing glorify the Son? It was done in the name of Jesus.

BenFTW · Apr 11, 2018

BenFTW said:

How can a healing be done in the name of Jesus? By His authority? Because His will is revealed.

PennEd · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

I would agree on the face of that verse it appears James is talking about sickness in the sense that we think of it as disease. And this may be partially what he is talking about. But if we have learned anything about James it is to be very careful in plucking singular verses out to fit a narrative. Just visit the "Not by Works" thread for 5 minutes and someone will post "faith without works is dead" from James to prove we have to attain or maintain our salvation by OUR works.

So I believe the main thrust of the passage you cite is a restoration of an afflicted individual to being a FRUITFUL servant of God.

[FONT=&quot]13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Confess your trespasses[e] to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit.[/FONT]
[h=3]Bring Back the Erring One[/h][FONT=&quot]19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul[f] from death and cover a multitude of sins.

Right before he says this, he brings up our old friend Job, and the patience he endured during his affliction. Job is an important guy in this Will of God and what HIS purposes are business. You might be surprised by how that book has been twisted by some in the WOF movement. If Job stands as written, it obviously shreds the theory that God's Will is always immediate healing, and will never result in physical death.

11 Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.

See how Job's perseverance INCLUDED illness and disease? The WOFers cannot abide that! So the text must go.

I must reiterate brother, I ABSOLUTELY believe in, and am certain the Lord heals. That is not even a question. The question is, are we going to glorify Him in our afflictions REGARDLESS whether He cures us of our physical maladies? LIKE JOB DID!

Further, Paul gives pretty much the same answer in Phillipians:11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.[/FONT]

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Cee · Apr 11, 2018

Right on, I agree we need to read context. I wrote another post regarding the entire context. But yes, I celebrate Him regardless I know the enemy steals, kills, and destroys. But He gives life and life abundantly.

wolfwint · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

Then you should practise it. Does the people go to the eldest? Are the healing preachers like Ellis ore Mohler teach: go to the eldest of your church as the bible says?
If they would do, I would agree with them. But they dont send the people to their eldest. Because then nobody would need them.

Cee · Apr 11, 2018

Couple thoughts on Job, the enemy caused him to be sick, and he was healed soon after. I believe having a literal Job experience would not be attributing sickness to God and us being abundantly healed of it like he was.

Cee · Apr 11, 2018

wolfwint said:

Nice! At least we can agree on this, now of course we could have a delightful discussion of what an elder looks like according to the Greek!

BenFTW · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

Do we picture an old man? lol Go ahead and share, I'd like to learn.

PennEd · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

Yes. It was Satan who afflicted Job. But we also know God has ultimate control, and this is perfectly illustrated by Satan having to get permission to attack a blameless man. There are others. Such as Satan asking Jesus to sift Peter.
The point is, God had a purpose for allowing the attack, and we are not given all the information. In Job's case there were an Angelic audience that were privy to witness God's mercy and Grace. But, as you allude, the persecution will ultimately be for our good. We just need to trust Him, regardless of what WE think outcomes should be.

preacher4truth · Apr 11, 2018

Cee said:

Except for this pesky fact: Job 2:9-10.

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