Healing through the Son
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Job 2:9-10 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die.” 10But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.
Fair enough, but a couple thoughts.
God knew Satan was going to test His servant. Just as He knew where Adam was, but still He asked Adam where are you? God knew Satan was considering His servant Job.
In a similar account we see Jesus praying for Peter, Satan has asked to sift you like wheat, but I have prayed your faith will not falter. We of course see that Peter’s faith does temporarily falter, but Jesus restores him.
Satan wanted to sift Job like wheat and he did so. As a result we see Job repent in dust and ashes, so God did use it all for Job’s good. Including healing him and Scripture records he received double.
And finally Job might have felt God had given him evil, but Jesus was the revelation of the Father and He revealed the works of the devil. Healing all who were oppressed by him.
Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
Since we see Jesus healing all who were oppressed. It seems to me if it were God’s desire for people to be sick, Jesus would have been doing something against His Will and the Kingdom would have been divided.
i think it’s incomplete to interpret God through an OT story, spoken by Job to his wife, when Jesus came to reveal Him to a people who didn’t know Him. Even though they did have the OT at the time. Especially when it contradicts simple Scripture in the NT. We never see Jesus say or reveal these things about God that some have attributed to Him today. In fact, I believe we see the exact opposite.
Fair enough, but a couple thoughts.
God knew Satan was going to test His servant. Just as He knew where Adam was, but still He asked Adam where are you? God knew Satan was considering His servant Job.
In a similar account we see Jesus praying for Peter, Satan has asked to sift you like wheat, but I have prayed your faith will not falter. We of course see that Peter’s faith does temporarily falter, but Jesus restores him.
Satan wanted to sift Job like wheat and he did so. As a result we see Job repent in dust and ashes, so God did use it all for Job’s good. Including healing him and Scripture records he received double.
And finally Job might have felt God had given him evil, but Jesus was the revelation of the Father and He revealed the works of the devil. Healing all who were oppressed by him.
Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
Since we see Jesus healing all who were oppressed. It seems to me if it were God’s desire for people to be sick, Jesus would have been doing something against His Will and the Kingdom would have been divided.
i think it’s incomplete to interpret God through an OT story, spoken by Job to his wife, when Jesus came to reveal Him to a people who didn’t know Him. Even though they did have the OT at the time. Especially when it contradicts simple Scripture in the NT. We never see Jesus say or reveal these things about God that some have attributed to Him today. In fact, I believe we see the exact opposite.
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James 5:14-15 "Elders of of the church". Elders doesn't have the same meaning as eldest.
Eldest means oldest. I hope you don't think the directive in James is for you to find the oldest person around to lay hands on you if you are sick
He is saying go to the leaders of the church.
Eldest means oldest. I hope you don't think the directive in James is for you to find the oldest person around to lay hands on you if you are sick
He is saying go to the leaders of the church.
Hmm... Old testament, New Testament. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. God DID heal Job, but notice he didn't get double his children back. They PHYSICALLY died! (side note. This doesn't bode well for animals that have died since the fall. SORRY, I want to see my dogs again, but it don't look good).
BUT both Job and of course the Lord knew that the ultimate healing is in Heaven, where he would be reunited with his children that satan murdered.
So we're back to square one. The Lord heals, BUT according to HIS Will and purposes AND TIMING, and OUR ultimate good. Be content in your positions, and give God Glory in all circumstances. THAT is the lesson of Job.
That position is hard to attain if people are being told they are not healed because of a lack of faith.
BUT both Job and of course the Lord knew that the ultimate healing is in Heaven, where he would be reunited with his children that satan murdered.
So we're back to square one. The Lord heals, BUT according to HIS Will and purposes AND TIMING, and OUR ultimate good. Be content in your positions, and give God Glory in all circumstances. THAT is the lesson of Job.
That position is hard to attain if people are being told they are not healed because of a lack of faith.
I understand. But let me ask you this Ed, if Jesus taught us that God wanted to destroy the works of the devil including, but of course not limited to sickness, why listen to what Job teaches over what Jesus does? I personally see a huge issue with teaching God doesn’t want His people healthy. Especially when plenty of Scriptures indicates He does. And I don’t say this only for healing either, I see this in larger situations too. It seems like many have this “blueprint” theology. That everything that happens is because God desires it. But Jesus actually did war against the enemy. And we are commanded to pray for His will to be here on Earth as it is in Heaven. Jesus actually tricked the enemy to crucifying Him, if God simply controlled it all couldn’t He have simply commanded him to? I’m not saying God isn’t working everything out for our good, but I don’t attribute God for my mothers death or anyone else’s. In fact, Jesus had His disciples raising the dead. And Scripture says death is the last enemy to go. As the Author of Life I don’t attribute to Him these things. In fact, I see Him desiring none to perish. Not that we don’t sleep in Christ, but we do pass from death to life.
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James 5:14-15 "Elders of of the church". Elders doesn't have the same meaning as eldest.
Eldest means oldest. I hope you don't think the directive in James is for you to find the oldest person around to lay hands on you if you are sick He is saying go to the leaders of the church.
Eldest means oldest. I hope you don't think the directive in James is for you to find the oldest person around to lay hands on you if you are sick
He is saying go to the leaders of the church.
James 5:14-15 "Elders of of the church". Elders doesn't have the same meaning as eldest.
Eldest means oldest. I hope you don't think the directive in James is for you to find the oldest person around to lay hands on you if you are sick He is saying go to the leaders of the church.
Eldest means oldest. I hope you don't think the directive in James is for you to find the oldest person around to lay hands on you if you are sick
He is saying go to the leaders of the church.
of course I mean the leaders.Wherever Faith Is Present, the Impossible Is Doable!
April 11, 2018
Mark 9:14-29 tells the account of a deeply distressed father who learned the power of faith first-hand on the day he came to Jesus with his son, who was severely demon-possessed. This boy wasn’t just demonically affected — he was being violently attacked by demon spirits that had repeatedly tried to kill him by throwing him into both fire and water. As far as the father was concerned, this situation was irreversible and impossible to cure. So in desperation, he brought his son to Jesus’ disciples, but they were unable to help the man. After repeated, unsuccessful attempts to cast the demons out of this child, the disciples finally brought the boy to Jesus to see if He could cast them out.
In New Testament times, demon possession was considered to be the most impossible malady to cure. People, including religious leaders, were so powerless in the presence of demons that demon-possessed individuals were often chained up and left in remote conditions. A famous example of this in Scripture is the demoniac who was kept in the remote region of Gadara (see Mark 5:1-20). However, when this father in Mark 9:23 brought his severely tormented child to Jesus, he didn’t see his son’s condition as an impossible situation at all — because he believed Jesus had power over those demons. Jesus responded to this man’s faith and said, “…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth” (Mark 9:23). Because the father believed, Jesus cast the demons out of his son and returned the boy to his father as a normal child (see Mark 9:24-28).
That day Jesus taught this principle: If one can simply believe, anything is possible — even setting a possessed person free from demon spirits. Wherever faith is present, the impossible is doable!
This verse always makes me think of all the times people have presented me with seemingly impossible odds and said, “Rick, no one has ever been able to do what you’re attempting to do. We know several who tried to do it in the past, but they failed and ended up in a mess. So be careful because it is unlikely that you’ll be able to achieve such a huge undertaking!”
Over the years, that kind of gloomy, pessimistic prediction has been made to my wife Denise and me more times than we can count. With nearly everything that we’ve ever done, someone has tried to tell us the task was impossible. But in every case, they were wrong. I want to say it again — wherever faith is present, the impossible is doable.
When I hear someone say something is impossible, I inwardly laugh, because I personally know that we serve a God who does the impossible! Jesus said, “…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth” (Mark 9:23). Jesus made it plain — if we will believe, all things will be possible to us!
The word “possible” is the Greek word dunata, and it expresses the idea of ability, power, one who is able and capable, or one who is competent. The word dunata shares the same root with the word dunamis, which is the Greek word for power. This emphatically tells us that there is a power that causes one to become able, capable, or competent for any task. When this explosive power comes on the scene and begins to operate in a person’s life, it doesn’t matter how unfit or unqualified he was before — this power supernaturally energizes him and makes him capable for the task set before him.
But who is the type of person who will accomplish impossible feats? Jesus clearly answered that question. He said, “…All things are possible to him that believeth.” The word “believeth” is the Greek word pistis, meaning faith. However, the tense used in this verse pictures a person who is believing. This is not someone who once had an experience of faith in the past; rather, it is a person who is presently believing right now. He didn’t just believe in the past — he is a believer. His faith is actively reaching forward right now to grab hold of what God has promised.
His faith is habitually, constantly, consistently, and unwaveringly straining forward to take hold of that desired goal he sees before him!
Faith is the spark that ignites the impossible and causes it to become possible. When a person’s faith is activated, it sets supernatural power in motion that enables that person to do what he normally would never be able to do! This is why Jesus said, “…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.” Once faith has been activated and remains activated, a person becomes enabled and empowered so that he is capable and competent to do whatever it is God has told him to do. That person can even do the impossible!
In my particular case, this means:
The fact is, in God all things are possible. Therefore, it’s up to you and me to get our thinking in line with God’s Word. And as we build up our faith to the level it needs to be for the new challenge, we experience an explosion of supernatural power in us that literally carries us over into the realm where impossible things becomes possible!
Until that father in Mark 9 met Jesus, he had probably been surrounded with a group of people who gave him no hope and demonstrated no faith. Apparently even the disciples had a hard time believing that little boy could be set free. But as soon as that father got around Jesus and heard Jesus speaking words of faith, he believed — and as soon as the father believed, it was just a matter of minutes before that son was completely and totally set free. Once faith is activated, it often doesn’t take long for the impossible to become possible!
So today I want to encourage you to believe that all things are possible. Push that doubt and unbelief out of the way — and if you must, find a new group of friends who will get into a position of faith with you. Then release your faith for the impossible to become possible!
MY PRAYER FOR TODAY
Father, I believe Your Word! I will not listen to the naysayers who haven’t accomplished anything. They want to halt and entangle me with their fear and unbelief. It doesn’t matter how unqualified I may have been, Your explosive, supernatural power will energize me and make me capable. Faith comes when I hear Your Word, and I am determined to release my faith through obedient action. Regardless of the difficulty or impossibility before me, I know that when faith is present, anything is doable. Holy Spirit, I ask You to help me instantly discern when someone is not in agreement with You so I won’t allow their polluting doubt to sink down into my heart. I am determined to push doubt and unbelief out of the way. I believe God, and it will be exactly as He spoke it to me. I believe God, and all things are possible to me.
Amen. I agree with Rick Renner on this and find his devotional especially applicable for this thread.
April 11, 2018
…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
— Mark 9:23
Never underestimate the power of faith! What you believe determines what you receive, so make sure you are thinking and believing correctly.— Mark 9:23
Mark 9:14-29 tells the account of a deeply distressed father who learned the power of faith first-hand on the day he came to Jesus with his son, who was severely demon-possessed. This boy wasn’t just demonically affected — he was being violently attacked by demon spirits that had repeatedly tried to kill him by throwing him into both fire and water. As far as the father was concerned, this situation was irreversible and impossible to cure. So in desperation, he brought his son to Jesus’ disciples, but they were unable to help the man. After repeated, unsuccessful attempts to cast the demons out of this child, the disciples finally brought the boy to Jesus to see if He could cast them out.
In New Testament times, demon possession was considered to be the most impossible malady to cure. People, including religious leaders, were so powerless in the presence of demons that demon-possessed individuals were often chained up and left in remote conditions. A famous example of this in Scripture is the demoniac who was kept in the remote region of Gadara (see Mark 5:1-20). However, when this father in Mark 9:23 brought his severely tormented child to Jesus, he didn’t see his son’s condition as an impossible situation at all — because he believed Jesus had power over those demons. Jesus responded to this man’s faith and said, “…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth” (Mark 9:23). Because the father believed, Jesus cast the demons out of his son and returned the boy to his father as a normal child (see Mark 9:24-28).
That day Jesus taught this principle: If one can simply believe, anything is possible — even setting a possessed person free from demon spirits. Wherever faith is present, the impossible is doable!
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This verse always makes me think of all the times people have presented me with seemingly impossible odds and said, “Rick, no one has ever been able to do what you’re attempting to do. We know several who tried to do it in the past, but they failed and ended up in a mess. So be careful because it is unlikely that you’ll be able to achieve such a huge undertaking!”
Over the years, that kind of gloomy, pessimistic prediction has been made to my wife Denise and me more times than we can count. With nearly everything that we’ve ever done, someone has tried to tell us the task was impossible. But in every case, they were wrong. I want to say it again — wherever faith is present, the impossible is doable.
When I hear someone say something is impossible, I inwardly laugh, because I personally know that we serve a God who does the impossible! Jesus said, “…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth” (Mark 9:23). Jesus made it plain — if we will believe, all things will be possible to us!
The word “possible” is the Greek word dunata, and it expresses the idea of ability, power, one who is able and capable, or one who is competent. The word dunata shares the same root with the word dunamis, which is the Greek word for power. This emphatically tells us that there is a power that causes one to become able, capable, or competent for any task. When this explosive power comes on the scene and begins to operate in a person’s life, it doesn’t matter how unfit or unqualified he was before — this power supernaturally energizes him and makes him capable for the task set before him.
But who is the type of person who will accomplish impossible feats? Jesus clearly answered that question. He said, “…All things are possible to him that believeth.” The word “believeth” is the Greek word pistis, meaning faith. However, the tense used in this verse pictures a person who is believing. This is not someone who once had an experience of faith in the past; rather, it is a person who is presently believing right now. He didn’t just believe in the past — he is a believer. His faith is actively reaching forward right now to grab hold of what God has promised.
His faith is habitually, constantly, consistently, and unwaveringly straining forward to take hold of that desired goal he sees before him!
Faith is the spark that ignites the impossible and causes it to become possible. When a person’s faith is activated, it sets supernatural power in motion that enables that person to do what he normally would never be able to do! This is why Jesus said, “…If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.” Once faith has been activated and remains activated, a person becomes enabled and empowered so that he is capable and competent to do whatever it is God has told him to do. That person can even do the impossible!
In my particular case, this means:
- When I receive a new mandate from God to push forward into new and uncharted territory, I look at the project from every angle, and then immediately begin renewing my mind to believe that I can do anything God has asked me to do. Even what seems to be impossible will be possible to me!
- If He has told me to do something — regardless of how big or how impossible it seems to the natural mind — I begin to tell myself that I can do it and that my eyes will see it come to pass.
- After all, if it couldn’t be done, why would Jesus ask me to do it?
The fact is, in God all things are possible. Therefore, it’s up to you and me to get our thinking in line with God’s Word. And as we build up our faith to the level it needs to be for the new challenge, we experience an explosion of supernatural power in us that literally carries us over into the realm where impossible things becomes possible!
- Jesus made it very clear that we receive exactly what we believe.
- If I believe I can do the impossible, I will do it.
- But if I believe I cannot do the impossible, I will not do it.
- When I look at those who have warned me about all the things they thought couldn’t be done, most of those people have done nothing.
- Because we dared to believe, today we are standing in the middle of many accomplished “impossible” assignments that others said could never happen.
- Wherever faith is, the impossible is doable!
Until that father in Mark 9 met Jesus, he had probably been surrounded with a group of people who gave him no hope and demonstrated no faith. Apparently even the disciples had a hard time believing that little boy could be set free. But as soon as that father got around Jesus and heard Jesus speaking words of faith, he believed — and as soon as the father believed, it was just a matter of minutes before that son was completely and totally set free. Once faith is activated, it often doesn’t take long for the impossible to become possible!
So today I want to encourage you to believe that all things are possible. Push that doubt and unbelief out of the way — and if you must, find a new group of friends who will get into a position of faith with you. Then release your faith for the impossible to become possible!
MY PRAYER FOR TODAY
Father, I believe Your Word! I will not listen to the naysayers who haven’t accomplished anything. They want to halt and entangle me with their fear and unbelief. It doesn’t matter how unqualified I may have been, Your explosive, supernatural power will energize me and make me capable. Faith comes when I hear Your Word, and I am determined to release my faith through obedient action. Regardless of the difficulty or impossibility before me, I know that when faith is present, anything is doable. Holy Spirit, I ask You to help me instantly discern when someone is not in agreement with You so I won’t allow their polluting doubt to sink down into my heart. I am determined to push doubt and unbelief out of the way. I believe God, and it will be exactly as He spoke it to me. I believe God, and all things are possible to me.
I pray this in Jesus’ name!
Amen. I agree with Rick Renner on this and find his devotional especially applicable for this thread.
I noticed that the Lord didn't say to the man "If it be God's will." The will of God was already known by the Lord Jesus Christ. He came into the world to reveal the true nature and will of the Father and Jesus healed "all" that came to Him.
There was an instance where Jesus went to a person that didn't come to Jesus ( Pool of Bethesda )and He asked him if he wanted to be healed. Why the Holy Spirit led the Lord to do this to this man? - I don't know - possibly for a number of reasons - some people want to stay sick - they identify with that. Some just need encouragement to believe and trust in the goodness and heart of the Lord for them.
This is why Jesus could say to this man in the context of seeking physical healing for his son - "If you can believe - all things are possible for the one who believes." Jesus knew the will of God and He healed all that came to Him.
Not one person was turned away. Not one time is there any of these religious traditions and mindset beliefs as outlined below where Jesus said anything like this to anyone coming to Him for physical healing:
1) I can't heal you because it is not God's will.
2) I can't heal you because God is teaching you something.
3) I can't heal you because you have sin in your life.
4) I can't heal you because you have not forgiven anyone.
5) I can't heal you because you are "suffering for Christ".
[FONT=Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif]All of the above are religious statements all based on our religious traditions and our own way of living by our personal experiences instead of what the life of Christ has revealed about the heart and true nature and will of our good, loving Father.[/FONT]
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Received this from an email buddy this morning. Very much agree with their conclusions too. [/FONT]
There was an instance where Jesus went to a person that didn't come to Jesus ( Pool of Bethesda )and He asked him if he wanted to be healed. Why the Holy Spirit led the Lord to do this to this man? - I don't know - possibly for a number of reasons - some people want to stay sick - they identify with that. Some just need encouragement to believe and trust in the goodness and heart of the Lord for them.
This is why Jesus could say to this man in the context of seeking physical healing for his son - "If you can believe - all things are possible for the one who believes." Jesus knew the will of God and He healed all that came to Him.
Not one person was turned away. Not one time is there any of these religious traditions and mindset beliefs as outlined below where Jesus said anything like this to anyone coming to Him for physical healing:
1) I can't heal you because it is not God's will.
2) I can't heal you because God is teaching you something.
3) I can't heal you because you have sin in your life.
4) I can't heal you because you have not forgiven anyone.
5) I can't heal you because you are "suffering for Christ".
[FONT=Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif]All of the above are religious statements all based on our religious traditions and our own way of living by our personal experiences instead of what the life of Christ has revealed about the heart and true nature and will of our good, loving Father.[/FONT]
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Received this from an email buddy this morning. Very much agree with their conclusions too. [/FONT]
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non sequitor
that's truly droll
if you could not make some kind of slur against certain people, you would have nothing to say
I don't think you can follow a conversation without being in charge of it and needing very badly, for it to go your way
what really irks you, obviously, is that you cannot shut certain people up and since I seldom agree with what you and several others here have to say, your remarks continue to besmirch myself and several others
I didn't say that you did. I don't think you have a comprehension problem. I think that in order to make your point, you twist what others say and then comment on the twist.
this is what I actually wrote, in my post 523
I wrote what I did because of a genuine concern for people and the fact someone may be wondering if they should go to a doctor or just pray.
that contains nothing even close to the way you twisted it.
I asked genuine questions of you in another thread a few weeks back...nicely and politely...in response to a few of your posts and you never answered and not because you didn't see them as you continued on.
thing is, you NEVER answer questions that would acknowledge anything other than your own biased opinions
you can continue to bloviate as is your habit and defend your personal bias and you have illustrated one of the reasons I have decided to stay off the WOF threads that are generated by either you or your friends
oh please. spare us the lack of sincerity. while I was still using the pm feature, you made one of your most scalding posts to anyone here directly to me.
apparently, that is all part of your personal interpretation I suppose, of how to feature yourself as da boss here
I am not nor have I ever been impressed by the way you bully others and then try to dress it up as some kind of concern
you behave the same way with Depleted, not because she has a problem, but because YOU have a problem with people calling you on the way you behave
I sincerely have no desire to continue to supply a platform for you to exercise your vitriol so back on ignore you go so you can spout off all you wish and that with no objection
that's truly droll
if you could not make some kind of slur against certain people, you would have nothing to say
I don't think you can follow a conversation without being in charge of it and needing very badly, for it to go your way
what really irks you, obviously, is that you cannot shut certain people up and since I seldom agree with what you and several others here have to say, your remarks continue to besmirch myself and several others
I didn't say that you did. I don't think you have a comprehension problem. I think that in order to make your point, you twist what others say and then comment on the twist.
this is what I actually wrote, in my post 523
I wrote what I did because of a genuine concern for people and the fact someone may be wondering if they should go to a doctor or just pray.
that contains nothing even close to the way you twisted it.
I asked genuine questions of you in another thread a few weeks back...nicely and politely...in response to a few of your posts and you never answered and not because you didn't see them as you continued on.
thing is, you NEVER answer questions that would acknowledge anything other than your own biased opinions
you can continue to bloviate as is your habit and defend your personal bias and you have illustrated one of the reasons I have decided to stay off the WOF threads that are generated by either you or your friends
oh please. spare us the lack of sincerity. while I was still using the pm feature, you made one of your most scalding posts to anyone here directly to me.
apparently, that is all part of your personal interpretation I suppose, of how to feature yourself as da boss here
I am not nor have I ever been impressed by the way you bully others and then try to dress it up as some kind of concern
you behave the same way with Depleted, not because she has a problem, but because YOU have a problem with people calling you on the way you behave
I sincerely have no desire to continue to supply a platform for you to exercise your vitriol so back on ignore you go so you can spout off all you wish and that with no objection
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But He said to me, My grace (My favor and loving-kindness and mercy) is enough for you [sufficient against any danger and enables you to bear the trouble manfully]; for My strength and power are made perfect (fulfilled and completed) and [SUP][a][/SUP]show themselves most effective in [your] weakness. Therefore, I will all the more gladly glory in my weaknesses and infirmities, that the strength and power of Christ (the Messiah) may rest (yes, may [SUP][b][/SUP]pitch a tent over and dwell) upon me!
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10 [/SUP]So for the sake of Christ, I am well pleased and take pleasure in infirmities, insults, hardships, persecutions, perplexities and distresses; for when I am weak [[SUP][c][/SUP]in human strength], then am I [truly] strong (able, powerful [SUP][d][/SUP]in divine strength).
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10 [/SUP]So for the sake of Christ, I am well pleased and take pleasure in infirmities, insults, hardships, persecutions, perplexities and distresses; for when I am weak [[SUP][c][/SUP]in human strength], then am I [truly] strong (able, powerful [SUP][d][/SUP]in divine strength).
I think you have hit on crux of the whole issue here. GOD'S WILL. His Will is NOT being done on Earth as it is in Heaven. EVEN by Christians. Who does His Will perfectly? How can we claim that only doing part of His Will is fine? That is why we eagerly await His return.
We continue to live in a fallen, broken world, inhabiting stinky dead flesh. This body of death is not what we are going to spend eternity in. It is actually His Grace that we die and leave it behind.
I don't understand differentiating between OT and NT. I don't see Job opposing Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and worthy. We can't dismiss, or in some WOFers case Change Scripture to fit our notions.
I actually think satan tried to the last to thwart God's Will for Jesus. He constantly tempted Jesus to abandon the Cross, disobey the Father, and leave us all to die in our sins.
Couple of examples:
Satan tempting Jesus with ALL the world empires throughout history WITHOUT going to the cross. BTW, The empires were obviously Satan's to give or it wouldn't be a temptation.
Whispering in Peter's ear to have him say Jesus was NOT going to be killed.
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.But Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things. "Heaven forbid, Lord," he said. "This will never happen to you!"
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Until Jesus' last breath satan tempted Him to disobey His Father:
"Look at you now!" they yelled at him. "You said you were going to destroy the Temple and rebuild it in three days. Well then, if you are the Son of God, save yourself and come down from the cross!"
I think this site needs to spend some quality time reading what the wisest person (outside of Christ) wrote. The Book of Ecclesiates.
THE SAME GOD. YESTERDAY. TODAY. TOMORROW.
We continue to live in a fallen, broken world, inhabiting stinky dead flesh. This body of death is not what we are going to spend eternity in. It is actually His Grace that we die and leave it behind.
I don't understand differentiating between OT and NT. I don't see Job opposing Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and worthy. We can't dismiss, or in some WOFers case Change Scripture to fit our notions.
I actually think satan tried to the last to thwart God's Will for Jesus. He constantly tempted Jesus to abandon the Cross, disobey the Father, and leave us all to die in our sins.
Couple of examples:
Satan tempting Jesus with ALL the world empires throughout history WITHOUT going to the cross. BTW, The empires were obviously Satan's to give or it wouldn't be a temptation.
Whispering in Peter's ear to have him say Jesus was NOT going to be killed.
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.But Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things. "Heaven forbid, Lord," he said. "This will never happen to you!"
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Until Jesus' last breath satan tempted Him to disobey His Father:
"Look at you now!" they yelled at him. "You said you were going to destroy the Temple and rebuild it in three days. Well then, if you are the Son of God, save yourself and come down from the cross!"
I think this site needs to spend some quality time reading what the wisest person (outside of Christ) wrote. The Book of Ecclesiates.
THE SAME GOD. YESTERDAY. TODAY. TOMORROW.
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Joaniemarie, you are right, Jesus healed all who came to Him. But direct! They had not to wait. Who came to Him? From his sight nonbelievers. And not all who he has healed we're automatically eternal Saved. They only wantet to have the physical healing. Today who is Coming to him? Mostly His children. And has he to proof to his children, that he is God? No
if you Read John 20,30 you know Why Jesus die all the Miracles.
When you Way that Jesus heales all sick christians today as he healed the sick people in the Gospel, then you must serious say. There is a different today to the Time 2000 Year ago. This is easy to proof. Yes he heales Today, believers because of prayer and nonbelievers because to proof that he is God.
if you Read John 20,30 you know Why Jesus die all the Miracles.
When you Way that Jesus heales all sick christians today as he healed the sick people in the Gospel, then you must serious say. There is a different today to the Time 2000 Year ago. This is easy to proof. Yes he heales Today, believers because of prayer and nonbelievers because to proof that he is God.
Wolfwint., I think there is enough info on both sides of this topic to agree to disagree. I will continue to share on this topic from my understanding of what the Bible teaches but won't argue with people here about it. The Holy Spirit promises to lead us into all truth and so we can have full assurance and confidence He will.
For me., healing is the same as these other things in the day to day of life. If I can't trust Jesus to protect and lead when I leave the house every day., (Psalm 91) I can't trust Him to heal me either. But I do because He has shown Himself to be 100% faithful in all areas and in all He promises to do.
Also, I am careful not to ask "what if" questions anymore. That used to be the first consideration when it came to getting out of bed each day... what if this horrible thing happens??... what if that horrible thing happens?.. Life taught me to always consider the what if's so I could give worry it's due consideration.
The question now is "what will it be like today with Jesus?! what will He show me today? Will today be the day I see a breakthrough?!"
His grace is made perfect in weakness is one of the verses I live by these days. The reason I can bear up in situations that used to totally defeat is because His grace is sufficient to meet anything. Jesus paid for us to have this super duper grace for every day of our lives. 2 Cor.12:10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But He said to me, My grace (My favor and loving-kindness and mercy) is enough for you [sufficient against any danger and enables you to bear the trouble manfully]; for My strength and power are made perfect (fulfilled and completed) and [SUP][a][/SUP]show themselves most effective in [your] weakness. Therefore, I will all the more gladly glory in my weaknesses and infirmities, that the strength and power of Christ (the Messiah) may rest (yes, may [SUP][b][/SUP]pitch a tent over and dwell) upon me!
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10 [/SUP]So for the sake of Christ, I am well pleased and take pleasure in infirmities, insults, hardships, persecutions, perplexities and distresses; for when I am weak [[SUP][c][/SUP]in human strength], then am I [truly] strong (able, powerful [SUP][d][/SUP]in divine strength).
Also, I am careful not to ask "what if" questions anymore. That used to be the first consideration when it came to getting out of bed each day... what if this horrible thing happens??... what if that horrible thing happens?.. Life taught me to always consider the what if's so I could give worry it's due consideration.
The question now is "what will it be like today with Jesus?! what will He show me today? Will today be the day I see a breakthrough?!"
His grace is made perfect in weakness is one of the verses I live by these days. The reason I can bear up in situations that used to totally defeat is because His grace is sufficient to meet anything. Jesus paid for us to have this super duper grace for every day of our lives. 2 Cor.12:10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But He said to me, My grace (My favor and loving-kindness and mercy) is enough for you [sufficient against any danger and enables you to bear the trouble manfully]; for My strength and power are made perfect (fulfilled and completed) and [SUP][a][/SUP]show themselves most effective in [your] weakness. Therefore, I will all the more gladly glory in my weaknesses and infirmities, that the strength and power of Christ (the Messiah) may rest (yes, may [SUP][b][/SUP]pitch a tent over and dwell) upon me!
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10 [/SUP]So for the sake of Christ, I am well pleased and take pleasure in infirmities, insults, hardships, persecutions, perplexities and distresses; for when I am weak [[SUP][c][/SUP]in human strength], then am I [truly] strong (able, powerful [SUP][d][/SUP]in divine strength).
Evening.
I discussed laser therapy with the opthalmologist.
2 types were available.
One was discounted because I am too old.
The 2nd one carries a risk of a severe spike in eye pressure that can lead to optic nerve damage within hours.
My issue is that my Iris flakes and those flakes are blocking the drainage channel and it's bilateral.
I think the one you had is the one I can't have.
I have the potential for pigmentary glaucoma.
Mind you that was not the reasons I was referred.
I was referred for floating blind spots in the eyes.
So after a whole day if my eyes being pulled apart and loads of tests done the issues I was referred for still exist and they are not as a result of my PDS.
Anyway I thank you for taking the time to respond.
I discussed laser therapy with the opthalmologist.
2 types were available.
One was discounted because I am too old.
The 2nd one carries a risk of a severe spike in eye pressure that can lead to optic nerve damage within hours.
My issue is that my Iris flakes and those flakes are blocking the drainage channel and it's bilateral.
I think the one you had is the one I can't have.
I have the potential for pigmentary glaucoma.
Mind you that was not the reasons I was referred.
I was referred for floating blind spots in the eyes.
So after a whole day if my eyes being pulled apart and loads of tests done the issues I was referred for still exist and they are not as a result of my PDS.
Anyway I thank you for taking the time to respond.
To anyone on this thread who felt any of my posts belittled, demeaned, or insulted them in any way-my sincerest apologies: Please forgive me. I would rather be forgiven for any hurt feelings than be right in any debate. This is my own personal conviction, and has no bearing on anyone elses stance here. Blessings to all in the body here today.