Hebrews 12: the Fath of the Saints!

GreenNnice · May 30, 2012

Quote: Heb 12:24καιG2532 CONJ - (and) διαθηκηςG1242 N-GSF - (of a covenant) νεαςG3501 A-GSF - (new) μεσιτηG3316 N-DSM - (Mediator) ιησουG2424 N-DSM - (towards Jesus) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) αιματιG129 N-DSN - (towards a blood) ραντισμουG4473 N-GSM - (of sprinkling) κρειττοναG2909 A-APN - (better things) λαλουντιG2980 V-PAP-DSM -(speaking) παραG3844 PREP - (as oppose to) | τονG3588 T-ASM - (the) | τοG3588 T-ASN - (the blood of sprinkling) | αβελG6 N-PRI - (Abel's)]

Heb 12:24 and towards Jesus, Mediator of a new covenant, towards a blood of sprinkling speaking better things as oppose to Abel's blood of sprinkling.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel
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Ahhh, the bloody-hot he-goat (the lascivious billy goat's blood dissolves diamonds it's so hot), a 'bucca,' so- named long ago, was our might sin offering long ago, read Leviticus and find out just how important our Mighty God streSSed eating clean rather than unclean, there are good c.c. threads on this subject so I will let you go there for understanding, and, to God's Word......
God changed everything, all.the many one sacrifices that the people throughout Bible times, shown from Cain and Abel's offerings to Moses 40 years in wilderness to all.through OLD Testament, sin offerings, indeed barely a day covered one's sins.

Ahh, God, our great God and Saviour, made us then have an easier way in the New Testament, The Way to Him, through His Son, Jesus DEATH on the cross. The ultimate sin offering was given by God, and by accepting His sacrificed Son now, our sins are forgiven, gone, . Gone as gone can be gone . And, that's gone-gone, people. Poof! Through the supernatural Divine's power, GONE!

Jesus is our Mediator. Our way to salvation, 'For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.' And, ' For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.'

We are blessed, washed in the blood of Christ, cleansed from ALL sins, those who have elected Him Theirs

Our Sacrifice, our Redeemer.

cfultz3 · May 30, 2012

GreenNnice said:

Quote: Heb 12:24καιG2532 CONJ - (and) διαθηκηςG1242 N-GSF - (of a covenant) νεαςG3501 A-GSF - (new) μεσιτηG3316 N-DSM - (Mediator) ιησουG2424 N-DSM - (towards Jesus) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) αιματιG129 N-DSN - (towards a blood) ραντισμουG4473 N-GSM - (of sprinkling) κρειττοναG2909 A-APN - (better things) λαλουντιG2980 V-PAP-DSM -(speaking) παραG3844 PREP - (as oppose to) | τονG3588 T-ASM - (the) | τοG3588 T-ASN - (the blood of sprinkling) | αβελG6 N-PRI - (Abel's)]

Heb 12:24 and towards Jesus, Mediator of a new covenant, towards a blood of sprinkling speaking better things as oppose to Abel's blood of sprinkling.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel
___________
Ahhh, the bloody-hot he-goat (the lascivious billy goat's blood dissolves diamonds it's so hot), a 'bucca,' so- named long ago, was our might sin offering long ago, read Leviticus and find out just how important our Mighty God streSSed eating clean rather than unclean, there are good c.c. threads on this subject so I will let you go there for understanding, and, to God's Word......
God changed everything, all.the many one sacrifices that the people throughout Bible times, shown from Cain and Abel's offerings to Moses 40 years in wilderness to all.through OLD Testament, sin offerings, indeed barely a day covered one's sins.

Ahh, God, our great God and Saviour, made us then have an easier way in the New Testament, The Way to Him, through His Son, Jesus DEATH on the cross. The ultimate sin offering was given by God, and by accepting His sacrificed Son now, our sins are forgiven, gone, . Gone as gone can be gone . And, that's gone-gone, people. Poof! Through the supernatural Divine's power, GONE!

Jesus is our Mediator. Our way to salvation, 'For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.' And, ' For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.'

We are blessed, washed in the blood of Christ, cleansed from ALL sins, those who have elected Him Theirs

Our Sacrifice, our Redeemer.

From what you said Greenie, I just realized that Jesus' sacrifice negates the necessitiy of animal sacrifice even down to the first one, which sacrifice was of gratitiute. But the graditute that He desires now is a heart singing praises to Him. Good insight.

cfultz3 · May 30, 2012

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 12:25[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Take heed [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]that[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] you* would not have shunned from yourselves [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif](MD)[/FONT](declined, refused)[FONT=Georgia, serif] the One who is speaking, seeing that if they, having shunned from themselves[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] (MD)[/FONT](declined, refused)[FONT=Georgia, serif] the one speaking the oracles of God upon the Earth, did [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]not [/FONT](abs. neg.)[FONT=Georgia, serif] escape, how much more [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]shall[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] we, those who are turning themselves [/FONT](MV)[FONT=Georgia, serif] away from [/FONT](distance)[FONT=Georgia, serif] the One [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]speaking[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] from [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]the[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] heavens, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]not escape[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]KJV Heb 12:25[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]shall not[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] we [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]escape,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] if we turn away from him that [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]speaketh[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] from heaven: [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Verbs:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]would have shunned (Aorist Middle Deponent Subjunctive) =[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] the possibility of having performed an action upon yourself. The Holy Spirit is there to guide us and Him being there as our Tutorer is so intertwined in our salvation that without obedience to His guidance, one is left to ask himself, "How shall I escape the damnable judgment upon the wicked?" Turn at His reproof, do not set His counsel as nought, regard His reproof and be honored, salvation being assured through obedience of chastisement.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]turning themselves away from (Present Middle voice Participle) = [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]performing an action upon oneself in the very present. Just as the root of bitterness can cause one to apostate from the faith, this is another way of saying that salvation can be lost. In both instances, it was the person who was performing the act and God who was continuously remaining faithful. How can one who has been enlightened by the Light, have tasted the sweet heavenly gift, partook of the Holy Spirit as holy ones, tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, abandoned all the promises pertained in the sonship bestowed by God for the temporary pleasures of the flesh? [/FONT][/FONT]

GreenNnice · May 31, 2012

cfultz3 said:

Cee, the Lord leads, brother, and your trove of insights and word/ meaning analysis is richly blessing so many now, myself included.

cfultz3 said:

Cee, I can't say anything hardly, nearly speechless, it''s so alive writing of Him.., It's ,it's so true, the Holy Spirit leads all our lives, God''s Spirit in us , witn us forever once inside us there of our temples (which is EASY for anyone, His timing but whilst like a wind and believing brings Him, indwelling forevermore

) , sealing us with promise of Him when we die our earthly death. Unto us is born a Child and unto us,, born of God,, we become heirs to His throne, through having believed in Jesus' sacrificial act of infinite blessing of His own who have ELECTED to choose Him their Saviour, forevermore, for there is power, power, wonder-working power in the precious blood of the lamb.

cfultz3 · May 31, 2012

Heb 12:26ουG3739 R-GSM - (Whose) ηG3588 T-NSF φωνηG5456 N-NSF - (the Voice) τηνG3588 T-ASF γηνG1093 N-ASF - (the ground) εσαλευσενG4531 V-AAI-3S - (Voice shook) τοτεG5119 ADV - (at that time) νυνG3568 ADV - (now) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) επηγγελταιG1861 V-RNI-3S - (He has promised) λεγωνG3004 V-PAP-NSM - (saying) ετιG2089 ADV - (yet) απαξG530 ADV - (once again) εγωG1473 P-1NS - (I) σειωG4579 V-PAI-1S - (I do shake) ουG3756 PRT-N - (not (abs. neg.)) μονονG3440 ADV - (only) τηνG3588 T-ASF γηνG1093 N-ASF - (the ground) αλλαG235 CONJ - (but also) καιG2532 CONJ - (also) τονG3588 T-ASM ουρανονG3772 N-ASM - (the Heaven)

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Heb 12:26 Whose voice shook the ground at that time, but now, He has promised, saying, "I do shake not only the ground yet once again, but also Heaven."

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Verbs:

shook (Aorist Active Indicative) = it is specifically speaking of Mount Sinai having been shaken by the Voice of the LORD, not the planet Earth.

do shake (Present Active Indicative) = an action in process with every indication of its continuousness into the future. Take note of the change of the tense in 'do shake' here, as compared to the orignal statement found in Haggai 2:6, 'shall shake". What this tells us is that God is in the process, even as we speak, of removing anything which can be shakened not only here on Earth, but in Heaven also. He is purifying things now, setting things in motion for that final great day of His fierce anger when He shall roar out of Zion (His holy place), and utter His voice from new Jerusalem.

GreenNnice · May 31, 2012

cfultz3 said:

Heb 12:26 Whose voice shook the ground at that time, but now, He has promised, saying, "I do shake not only the ground yet once again, but also Heaven."

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Verbs:

shook (Aorist Active Indicative) = it is specifically speaking of Mount Sinai having been shaken by the Voice of the LORD, not the planet Earth.

do shake (Present Active Indicative) = an action in process with every indication of its continuousness into the future. Take note of the change of the tense in 'do shake' here, as compared to the orignal statement found in Haggai 2:6, 'shall shake". What this tells us is that God is in the process, even as we speak, of removing anything which can be shakened not only here on Earth, but in Heaven also. He is purifying things now, setting things in motion for that final great day of His fierce anger when He shall roar out of Zion (His holy place), and utter His voice from new Jerusalem.

Is Truth

Is Mount Zion

cfultz3 · May 31, 2012

Heb 12:27 And this, 'Yet once again', does signify the removal of those things which are being shaken in the manner of them (ground, Heaven, anything shaking) having had been made, so that those things which are not being shaken could have remained.

Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Verbs:

had been made (peRfect Passive Participle) = the same creative manner which went into creating a specific catagory of what we collectively call 'creation', is the same way by which that particular creation is being shaken by God to see if it shall remain. The physical planets, suns where created with elements, so by those same elements, they will be shaken, etc... From Scripture, we understand that Heaven, the heavens, the elements, the Earth and all its works will not pass this shaken.

The only sure foundation which is to come out of this shakening untouched is the one laid upon the Rock of Zion, Jesus Christ, the God of our salvation. So, gather for yourself a good foundation of faith against this time which is to come so that you may lay hold of everlasting life.

GreenNnice · May 31, 2012

This kingdom can and WILL be shaken, your faith must be going from good to better.to perfect, be ye perfect as Christ is perfect, this scripture verse MUST be our mindset so that we grow in faith . Being a stagnant, ungrowing christian might not just leave you dead in your faith, and, deader, and, deader, because having faith requires work, not to mention, works, unto salvation, yes, yes, it might leave you dead, SHAKEN! turning from Him

You WILL work once saved IF you Love Christ

You will obey God's voice from Heaven, however He speaks you WILL hear. Better listen

For to get to.the unshakeable Kingdom in Heaven, once must bear the shakes of the Earth, and, as cee, said, your faith neefs to be a firm foundation so it be not shaken.

Build your faith with The Rock, not The sandman, or, the strawman, be Spirit-led or you very well could have shaking times of your faith as God's plans of our individual walks are beNt on our faith, for in all.things presented, like Abraham, we both OBEY and be FAITHFUL, do whatever the Spirit leads. The Lord leads, be led.

For me, this verse, speaks of having faith in God's almighty power to shake you and not to fall off the ship, as it gets going higher and higher up and gravity, like the Titanic movie, is pulling you toward a deathly plummet. Jack guided he and Rose to the very tip (bow) of the Titanic and they were secure and safe until the Titanic was straight up in the air in the water, snapping in half, and, sinking, at which , Jack held Rose's hand as the ship sunk to water level and it was a safe jump for them into the water.
God wants us to be smart in our faith, parable of the talents, use.our faith to.reach others and MORE will be given to your 'measure.'

Christ peeps, as cee,, states, eternity is real, and, a really, really, really long time after you die.

How long, green? Forever. So, choose Him, and, you die, and, scripture is in there that states, in the Spirit, one is sealed FOREVER with Him. Don't fret things, just GROW your relationship.with Christ daily, and, follow Him, with your cross (not someone elses's, it is a PERSONAL struggle of joy and blessing, growing, even some pain, the Spirit does correct/scourge us). So, be led, blessings....

cfultz3 · Jun 1, 2012

Heb 12:28διοG1352 CONJ - (through which (shaken)) βασιλειανG932 N-ASF - (a kingdom) ασαλευτονG761 A-ASF - (unshakened) παραλαμβανοντεςG3880 V-PAP-NPM - (receiving) εχωμενG2192 V-PAS-1P - (where we would have) χαρινG5485 N-ASF - (gratitude (thanks)) διG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) ηςG3739 R-GSF - (which) λατρευωμενG3000 V-PAS-1P - (we could serve) ευαρεστωςG2102 ADV - (acceptably) τωG3588 T-DSM θεωG2316 N-DSM - (the God) μεταG3326 PREP - (with (accompaniment)) αιδουςG127 N-GSF - (awe (in the sense of bashfulness)) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) ευλαβειαςG2124 N-GSF - (godly fear)

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Heb 12:28 Through which, receiving an unshakened kingdom where we would have gratitude (thanks) through (channel of an act) which we could acceptably serve THE God with (accompaniment) awe (in the sense of bashfulness) and godly fear.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
　
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Heb 12:29καιG2532 CONJ - (even) γαρG1063 CONJ - (for) οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM - (the God is) ημωνG1473 P-1GP - (our) πυρG4442 N-NSN - (fire) καταναλισκονG2654 V-PAP-NSN - (consuming)

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Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

GreenNnice · Jun 1, 2012

Heb 12:28διοG1352 CONJ - (through which (shaken)) βασιλειανG932 N-ASF - (a kingdom) ασαλευτονG761 A-ASF -(unshakened) παραλαμβανοντεςG3880 V-PAP-NPM - (receiving) εχωμενG2192 V-PAS-1P - (where we would have) χαρινG5485 N-ASF - (gratitude (thanks)) διG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) ηςG3739 R-GSF - (which) λατρευωμενG3000 V-PAS-1P - (we could serve) ευαρεστωςG2102 ADV - (acceptably) τωG3588 T-DSM θεωG2316 N-DSM - (the God) μεταG3326 PREP - (with (accompaniment)) αιδουςG127 N-GSF - (awe (in the sense of bashfulness)) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) ευλαβειαςG2124 N-GSF - (godly fear)

Heb 12:28 Through which, receiving an unshakened kingdom where we would have gratitude (thanks) through (channel of an act) which we could acceptably serve THE God with (accompaniment) awe (in the sense of bashfulness) and godly fear.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

-------------------------------------Quote: Heb 12:29καιG2532 CONJ - (even) γαρG1063 CONJ - (for) οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM - (the God is) ημωνG1473 P-1GP - (our) πυρG4442 N-NSN - (fire) καταναλισκονG2654 V-PAP-NSN - (consuming)

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a ALL-consuming fire.

God is FIRE!!!! And, His Spirit will breathe hotly and fiery and do much with you IF you choose to consume (feed) all then you will never be hungry, always be filled, .EVER, will you come to an

end
of
the
road,

It will be natural , your life, YOU belonging to Him,.He will be yours, because you Loved Him who first Loved you.
What Love! What fire!!!!!! All your life, never ending, the death of you is but the beginning of beyond awesome living forevermore.

GreenNnice · Jun 1, 2012

Heb 12:28διοG1352 CONJ - (through which (shaken)) βασιλειανG932 N-ASF - (a kingdom) ασαλευτονG761 A-ASF -(unshakened) παραλαμβανοντεςG3880 V-PAP-NPM - (receiving) εχωμενG2192 V-PAS-1P - (where we would have) χαρινG5485 N-ASF - (gratitude (thanks)) διG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) ηςG3739 R-GSF - (which) λατρευωμενG3000 V-PAS-1P - (we could serve) ευαρεστωςG2102 ADV - (acceptably) τωG3588 T-DSM θεωG2316 N-DSM - (the God) μεταG3326 PREP - (with (accompaniment)) αιδουςG127 N-GSF - (awe (in the sense of bashfulness)) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) ευλαβειαςG2124 N-GSF - (godly fear)

Heb 12:28 Through which, receiving an unshakened kingdom where we would have gratitude (thanks) through (channel of an act) which we could acceptably serve THE God with (accompaniment) awe (in the sense of bashfulness) and godly fear.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

-------------------------------------Quote: Heb 12:29καιG2532 CONJ - (even) γαρG1063 CONJ - (for) οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM - (the God is) ημωνG1473 P-1GP - (our) πυρG4442 N-NSN - (fire) καταναλισκονG2654 V-PAP-NSN - (consuming)

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a ALL-consuming fire.

God is FIRE!!!! And, His Spirit will breathe hotly and fiery and do much with you IF you choose to consume (feed) all then you will never be hungry, always be filled, .EVER, will you come to an

end
of
the
road,

It will be natural , your life, YOU belonging to Him,.He will be yours, because you Loved Him who first Loved you.
What Love! What fire!!!!!! All your life, never ending, the death of you is but the beginning of beyond awesome living forevermore.

Note: There is another fire, all-consuming too of God's mind and design, your choice to.go.there too. Don't go

GreenNnice · Jun 1, 2012

Heb 12:28διοG1352 CONJ - (through which (shaken)) βασιλειανG932 N-ASF - (a kingdom) ασαλευτονG761 A-ASF -(unshakened) παραλαμβανοντεςG3880 V-PAP-NPM - (receiving) εχωμενG2192 V-PAS-1P - (where we would have) χαρινG5485 N-ASF - (gratitude (thanks)) διG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) ηςG3739 R-GSF - (which) λατρευωμενG3000 V-PAS-1P - (we could serve) ευαρεστωςG2102 ADV - (acceptably) τωG3588 T-DSM θεωG2316 N-DSM - (the God) μεταG3326 PREP - (with (accompaniment)) αιδουςG127 N-GSF - (awe (in the sense of bashfulness)) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) ευλαβειαςG2124 N-GSF - (godly fear)

Heb 12:28 Through which, receiving an unshakened kingdom where we would have gratitude (thanks) through (channel of an act) which we could acceptably serve THE God with (accompaniment) awe (in the sense of bashfulness) and godly fear.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

You are heirs in the prrsent, it is given you NOW, live in the present with God, for in the future may come s day that puts you into the future in tough situation. Satan attacks! You wil shake in this earthly body but God will keep you firmly planted IF you remember your faith and all God's given you to.believe and see, your roots will not become loose, for you are anchored in Him, not soil

-------------------------------------Quote: Heb 12:29καιG2532 CONJ - (even) γαρG1063 CONJ - (for) οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM - (the God is) ημωνG1473 P-1GP - (our) πυρG4442 N-NSN - (fire) καταναλισκονG2654 V-PAP-NSN - (consuming)

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a ALL-consuming fire.

God is FIRE!!!! And, His Spirit will breathe hotly and fiery and do much with you IF you choose to consume (feed) all then you will never be hungry, always be filled, NEVER will you come to an

end
of
the
road, you will.NEVER want to let go, or, IF you want to, you.will holllllllld on with all.your fire within you. You will hold, for your fire is Him.

It will be natural , your life, YOU belonging to Him,.He will be yours, because you Loved Him who first Loved you.
What Love! What fire!!!!!! All your life, never ending, the death of you is but the beginning of beyond awesome living forevermore.

Note: There is another fire, all-consuming too of God's mind and design, your choice to.go.there too. Don't go

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