Hebrews 12: the Fath of the Saints!

[AnandaHya]

I am so and so,

Thank you for your post. I have read your post and from what I can gather, are you saying that the Textus Receptus is a translation of a trainslation, etc...? I am not sure as to what your point is, will you explain?

??? I got him saying that the tenses were important to understand Revelation and how in Chapter 1 it talks about 3 tenses: past, present and future. how people tend to overlook that statement when reading revelation and if people paid more attention to the VERB tenses then they could better understand which prophecies have been fulfilled and how JESUS was standing right there fulfilling others.

then he went into a discussion of how Paul might not be the author of Hebrews at all. I've heard that theory as well.

Personally I just say GOD the HOly Spirit is the author and whatever man He used to convey His message is not as important to me to know as the message itself. one of those uncertain things if God wants me to know He will tell me.

 

[GreenNnice]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 12:12[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] For which cause, you* are to have straightened up those hung hands and those feebled knees.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 12:12[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; [/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Verbs:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]hung hands...feebled knees (peRect Passive Participle) =[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] having reached the point of being totally trained by the Spirit to the point of near exhaustion, we have come to the decisive point where we take that training afforded through the example of our Forerunner and put it in action against that beseeching sin. We have been trained by the Spirit in how to fixationaly look at our faith's Forerunner, how He forsook joy so that He could have run the same race which is set before us, how He endured enticement from sinners, how He resisted enticement even to the point of crying tears of blood, how He endured the chastisement of the cross for sins not of His own, all in the name of showing His brothers and sisters the Way. So stand straight and proud, knowing that all the training is for you to be an overcomer, whose prize is the peace of righteousness. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]As with any athlete, training is for winning the prize awaiting the victor. Every race ran, all the endless preparation, all the training, all the waking moments of pondering upon how to obtain that victorious wreath of a champion, is all done to reach that finish line. With the best Trainer edging him on with hope found in the ultimate Winner, He encourages. Having ran the path Himself and knowing the pitfalls, He warns. Having been one of us and knowing our infirmities, He lifts us up. There, we have reached the finish line. There, we set at the right hand of our Lord, resting forevermore in His Sabbath. But, the way to get there is to never give up the race.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb_12:3[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb_12:5[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Job_4:3-4[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Isa_35:3[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Eze_7:17[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Eze_21:7[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Dan_5:6[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Nah_2:10[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]1Th_5:14[/FONT][/FONT]

Wherefore means, I think, 'because of this,' we should lift up our hands in our present life, be in joy mode from our chastisement. Sounds a little like Timothy....When you experience various trials and tribulations (are these two words referring to chastisement, or, temptation? Both? Neither? Only one word?) , count it all joy, for the testing of your faith produces perseverence.

Now, you remember what verse 'endure' was in? I guess, hmm, yeah, that does not matter, what matters is....

Perseverence means the same thing as endure

So, if we extrapolate and fuse Hebrews 12:12 and 1 Timothy 1:9 (or, is,it 2 Tim., hmm, I speak sans my Bible, for now, the Lord leads ) ,/then by getting chastised for an act contrary to obedience to God, what is happening?

Our faith is getting tested.

Will you gleefully (joyfully) go through God's correction after buying that so-cool original Harry Potter sorcerer hat for $2000 only to get home and realize it is a fake and no tefundd from.auction house.. Why do you want to showcase demon wear in your house? Well, yeah, I'm asking, but I'm not the only one aaking. God asked too and the Spirit made known it was a bad idea, but you didn't listen to His words and the loss is great

So, put up your hands . Quit feeling sorry for yourself and -kneeed , TAKE your punishment like a man, or, woman, for it will.thicken your faith.

yes i like this in that you all seem to understand to see "past-tense","present-tense","future-tense" launguage as it was used in the bible,,,,,,many times i've listened to or pertisapated in semanars regarding "revalations",,,,,,,,,,now i noticed years ago "most" tend to enlighten us on "when it's going to happen",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i always point back to the beggining,,"rev.1;19",,,,,,,,thou hast seen,,which are,,,,,,,,,and shall be hereafter,,,,,,,,,,three different tense's,,,,,,,,past present and future,,now without recerching each word as you are doing here most will not see that christ himself tells john things you have seen,,(past),,,,,,,,which are(present),,shall be hereafter(future),,so the revalation of christ begin's at creation,,,then the preasent day church when john was alive,,,,,,,,,,,then from john till the ????????now the three mixed together are babylon/confusion,,,,,,,but these three tenses seperate,,,,,set where they ought be,,,is the spirit of proficy,,,and the wisdom of christ is the spirit of proficy,,and the revalations of christ is the revalations of the wisdom of proficy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the tenses,,,,,,,,some can decern the wether,,but cannot decern the ,,,"times/tenses,,,,,,the proficies",,,when they were to happen or if they had been fulfilled,,,,if they could have decerned the times/proficies/tenses,,,,,,,,,,they would have realized that he was the mesiah standing in front of them fulfilling these proficies,,,,,i should not be speking of rev. 1;19,,,,,,,,its for another post,,,,,now as for "the text we recieved/textus receptus" wich is the translation of the latin,,"textus receptus",,,,,,,and so of what launguage was the original letter to the hebrews written????,,,now the "text we recieved" was from the koine greek,,,,,,,,,and then to several launguages and then to english,,,,,,hebrew is a very "poetical launguage",,and koine greek is not and if you notice the launguage of "hebrew's" where you are studding is "very poetical",,,,,,,,,paul is believed to have written this book,,but he states at times he was appointed "the apostle to the gentile" and that the twelve were appointed apostles to the jew,,,,,,,,now look back at rev. 1;19,,,,,,,,,,i jumped subject(you see i jumped subject),,,,,,,,,,,if paul was the apostle to the gentile,,and he then did not trust in the apostles the holy spirit sent to the hebrew,,,,,,,,,,,"he jumped subject",,he is preaching the gosphel to the ones that he knows the holy spirit sent peter,luke,matthew,ect. to preach to,,,,,,,,,seems like madness so far "but suffer me",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is no mention of the destruction of jerusalem/a.d.70,in the book of hebrews,,,,,,,so it was written after the crucafiction of christ a.d32-34(spoken of in the text of hebrews)and before the destruction of jerusalem/a.d.70,,,,,,,,theres the math problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thirteen apostles,,,,,,,,,,,,where were they between 34 a.d.,,,and 70 a.d.????????? paul was beheaded in rome,,,peter was crucified upside-down,,,,john was alive in a.d.96,,,,,,,,,,,,,,steven was stoned to death at the beggining,thats four of the thirteen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when did the other,,,,,,,,,,, "9",,die and where were they??????????but peter,paul and john still could have written this book,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"look at the tense of the words",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is the "text we recieved/textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[cfultz3]

??? I got him saying that the tenses were important to understand Revelation and how in Chapter 1 it talks about 3 tenses: past, present and future. how people tend to overlook that statement when reading revelation and if people paid more attention to the VERB tenses then they could better understand which prophecies have been fulfilled and how JESUS was standing right there fulfilling others.

then he went into a discussion of how Paul might not be the author of Hebrews at all. I've heard that theory as well.

Personally I just say GOD the HOly Spirit is the author and whatever man He used to convey His message is not as important to me to know as the message itself. one of those uncertain things if God wants me to know He will tell me.

Thank you Ana. I guess it was that blocked paragraph which confused me. God bless Sister

 

[cfultz3]

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Heb 12:14ειρηνηνG1515 N-ASF - (peace) διωκετεG1377 V-PAM-2P - (you* are to pursue) μεταG3326 PREP - (with (association)) παντωνG3956 A-GPM - (all) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) τονG3588 T-ASM αγιασμονG38 N-ASM - (that purification (that cleansing of sin received from the Spirit previously mentioned)) ουG3739 R-GSM - (which purification) χωριςG5565 ADV - (apart from) ουδειςG3762 A-NSM-N - (no one (abstract abs. neg.)) οψεταιG3708 V-FDI-3S - (no one shall look upon) τονG3588 T-ASM κυριονG2962 N-ASM - (the LORD)

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[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 12:14 You* are to pursue peace with all and that purification(that cleansing of sin received from the Spirit previously mentioned), apart from which purification, no one(abstract abs. neg.) shall look upon the LORD.[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: [/FONT]

Verbs:

[FONT=Georgia, serif]are to pursue (Present Active iMperative) = being a command of the present now with the effect of such a command being started now and is to be continued into the future. We are to live the now in a state of peace with all and continuously pursue peace. Interestingly, this is the same word used when speaking of a Christian being persecuted. So, with the same zest, we are to pursue peace with all, even to the point where it seems that you are persecuting them with peace, as they persecute you in their zest. With that said, it boils down to being meek.[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]shall look upon (Future middle Deponent Indicative) = a future action as us being the receiver of that action. In a previous verse, we were told that one who is without chastisement (that is, the leading of the Spirit), is indeed fatherless (not a child of God). Here, we have an absolute negative consequence of having not underwent the purification process of chastisement (disciplinary action, tutoring) through the Spirit. And it is here that I once again implore you to maintain a student-teacher relationship with the Holy Spirit. [/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]As a side note, we all, through judgment, shall see the Lord Jesus, either as a Judge or a Rewarder. So, it must mean the LORD Jehovah, of whom no man has ever seen. But they who are pure in heart shall see God (the LORD Jehovah) (Mat 5:8).[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge:[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]pursue: Gen_13:7-9; Psa_34:14, Psa_38:20, Psa_120:6, Psa_133:1; Pro_15:1, Pro_16:7, Pro_17:14; Isa_11:6-9; Mat_5:9; Mar_9:50; Rom_12:18, Rom_14:19; 1Co_1:10; Gal_5:22-23; Eph_4:1-8; 1Th_5:15; 1Ti_6:11; 2Ti_2:22; Jam_3:17-18; 1Pe_3:11[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]purification: Heb_12:10; Psa_94:15; Isa_51:1; Luk_1:75; Rom_6:22; 2Co_6:17, 2Co_7:1; Phi_3:12; 1Th_3:13, 1Th_4:7; 1Pe_1:15-16, 1Pe_3:13; 2Pe_3:11, 2Pe_3:18; 3Jo_1:11[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]no one: Gen_32:30; Job_19:26, Job_33:26; Mat_5:8; 1Co_13:12; 2Co_7:1; Eph_5:5; Gal_3:21; 1Jo_3:2-3; Rev_21:24-27, Rev_22:3-4, Rev_22:11-15[/FONT]

 

[GreenNnice]

Quote: Heb 12:13καιG2532 CONJ - (and) τροχιαςG5163 N-APF - (tracks (course of conduct)) ορθαςG3717 A-APF - (straight (leveled)) ποιησατεG4160 V-AAM-2P - (you are to have made) τοιςποσινG4228 N-DPM - (for the feet) υμωνG4771 P-2GP - (your*) ιναG2443 CONJ - (so that) μηG3361 PRT-N - (not (qual. neg.)) τοχωλονG5560 A-NSN - (that which is limping) εκτραπηG1624 V-2APS-3S - (that would have been twisted (or dislocated)) ιαθηG2390 V-APS-3S - (that would have been cured) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) μαλλονG3123 ADV - (rather)

Heb 12:13 And you are to have made straight (leveled) tracks (course of conduct) for your* feet so that that which is limping would not have been twisted (or dislocated),but rather, would have been healed.

Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
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Accepting chastisement joyous , for fruit comes from this God act, it grows you, and, the parable of the vine does tell us that our growth produces good fruit. Keep your feet straight so you can keep walking and produce good fruit, and, also, IF something happens to crook your feet, or, cause you to receive chastisement, stop, and, let the Lord Spiritedly lead you and, in this case, it will be rest for your reward . One cannot keep ealking lame as, cee said, medical terminology, and, eventually, quit walking altogether, for their feet will no longer move. Therefore, this parallel in mind, how very important is it for we sons and daughters of God to joyously accept correction? Let me answer it this way, what does God say is most precious of ALL things in our human life? Our health. Spiritual health, keep it HEALTHY, if something of doctrine or action tries to stunt your growth, stop and pray to God for healing and let His Spirit miraculously mend
Notice the present tense possessive starting out this verse, 'And MAKE paths straight for YOUR feet, lest (warning word, to note) , then after this is present action of 'is lame' and then are past tense verbs 'turned' and 'healed,' so their is mixed tense , past and present action being displayed.


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Ok, let's do 12:14 same post, Christ peeps , since cee is such a slave-driver and I am kind of pokey posting, the Lord leads.

Heb 12:14ειρηνηνG1515 N-ASF - (peace) διωκετεG1377 V-PAM-2P - (you* are to pursue) μεταG3326 PREP - (with (association)) παντωνG3956 A-GPM -(all) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) τονG3588 T-ASM αγιασμονG38 N-ASM - (that purification (that cleansing of sin received from the Spirit previously mentioned)) ουG3739 R-GSM - (which purification) χωριςG5565 ADV - (apart from) ουδειςG3762 A-NSM-N - (no one (abstract abs. neg.)) οψεταιG3708 V-FDI-3S - (no one shall look upon) τονG3588 T-ASM κυριονG2962 N-ASM - (the LORD)

Heb 12:14 You* are to pursue peace with all and that purification(that cleansing of sin received from the Spirit previously mentioned), apart from which purification, no one(abstract abs. neg.) shall look upon the LORD.

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Let the Lord powerfully lead you to peace. Part of the beatitudes Jesus spoke in sermon on the mount, He said many telling things in statements, including 'Blessed are the peacemakers.'
This 12:14 shows that you will not see God IF you do not show peace to all men and practice holiness, waIt! That is not the right word, FOLLOW holiness, will not see Him and that would mean Heaven.
Verb tenses go from present imperative command to a future action word , 'shall' . This states: You do this or else. Hate to put it so bluntly, Christ peeps, but..... Follow Him or else death. Peace to all, just like Charlie Brown says in his Christmas special, 'Glory to God in the Highest and peace on Earth and goodwill toward men.'

Want these things , brothers and sisters, to be of you, for without these measures of your faith sooo self-displayed for ALL MEN (and women) to see, you will not see Him after you die. Ahhh, to.serve God calls on great control of self to let the Spirit lead, chastise, show, you ALL things, even how to ALWAYS exhibit peace.

 

[iamsoandso]

then go back to textus receptus,,,,,,,,,,,,and begin again,,,,,,,,,,,,"Textus Receptus" is the Latin translation for "the text we received",not of the "translation of the "text we received",,,,,,,,,but ,,,,,,,,,"the text we received " =,,,,the manuscripts we had in our possession,,,weather they were written in Hebrew,Greek,Aramaic,,,Latin ect.ect.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the text we received means in Latin,,,text-us re-Ceptus",,,,,,I'm translating,,,,,,,,,,its meaning their are no "text" that are known as the "textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,,as in the Septuagint ,Alexandrian text,,, ect.ect.,there are no manuscripts of the original books of the bible known as the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,that is unless you are catholic and you follow the Latin Vulgate,,,,,,but that's not quite fair to say,because "textus receptus"means "the text we received",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in the kjv,,,,,,,,,,,,,the 67 books that were interpreted to English,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,were also the only "text they had in their possession at the interpreting of the kjv",,,,,,,,,,,,so it was also in the English language ,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the text we received",,,though again ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the "koran",,,,is the "text the Islams recieved",,,,,,,,,,,,,and it means the same as the term,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so don't be confused by words you do not understand ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"look up the meaning of the Latin phrase,textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[iamsoandso]

i indorse "what you are doing",,,,,,,,,,,,,not the "documents you are endorsing",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,re-read what i said,,,,,,,,you will find for instance "second Samuel",is suppose to be in the bible,,,,,,,,,,,,but when it was interpreted,it was confused as the second book of Samuel,,,,,,,,,,,and it is the books of "gad and Nathan"mixed together,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,look up the "book of gad",,,,"Nathan",,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe also the books of Iddo the seer is combinded at this point,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"in the text we recieved",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,notice that we were told in the beginning of this post we would be backed up with "textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but nothing so far is in "Latin",,,,all is in Greek,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the other what i have told you of,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[cfultz3]

i indorse "what you are doing",,,,,,,,,,,,,not the "documents you are endorsing",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,re-read what i said,,,,,,,,you will find for instance "second Samuel",is suppose to be in the bible,,,,,,,,,,,,but when it was interpreted,it was confused as the second book of Samuel,,,,,,,,,,,and it is the books of "gad and Nathan"mixed together,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,look up the "book of gad",,,,"Nathan",,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe also the books of Iddo the seer is combinded at this point,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"in the text we recieved",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,notice that we were told in the beginning of this post we would be backed up with "textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but nothing so far is in "Latin",,,,all is in Greek,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the other what i have told you of,,,,,,,,,,,,

Which Greek manuscript would you be most comfortable with?

 

[iamsoandso]

greenNice,,,,,,,,,,,,,just based on you picture(on the post),,,,,,,,,,,,,i thought not much of you,,,,but i am corrected in your speech's,,,,that is after readind the things you have posted over the last few months,,,,,,,,,,,"thank you for setting me straight",,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i assumed from the picture",,,,,,,,,you were an child,,,,,,,"i do apologize",,,,,,,,,,,,,the "monster emblem threw me off",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but you are smarter than the average bear",,,,,,,,,you keep being you,,,,,,,,,,,,and forgive me if i "snickered",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i wonder who else actually read what you said",,,,,,,,,,,,,,please take no offense in my appoligy,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[AnandaHya]

lol greenie's groovy but don't let that fool you. as you said Iamsoandso. He's "smarter than the average bear"

picnic anyone?

 

[cfultz3]

Thank you for finding good in the following work, and hope you will continue to post. But, let us not turn much attention away from the project in endless debate of which is the most proper manuscript of Scripture. Yes, 'Texus Receptus' means 'received text' in Vulgar Latin (which Latin overtook the Koine Greek as the next language and thus why the Latin title says, "the text we receive" (as it was in the orginal Greek)). It is the same set of Greek collected books the King James Version used. There is not one manuscript out there that does not have its critics. So, it should not become our intent to place doubt in the viability of the Textus Receptus, but in every manner, remain in harmony with the written word most accepted. God bless you I am so and so for your insightfulness.

 

[iamsoandso]

return to the first post you made,,,,,,,,,,,,"i will be using textus receptus ect,,ect.",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i have no problem with the Greek",,,,,,,,,,,,"keoine Greek" is the language the new testament were written in" ,,other than the possability thet the "letter written to the Hebrews"was written in its original form in Hebrew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wich me nor you can confirm,,,,,,,,,,"show me Latin",,,,,,,,,,,give me to be comfortable with textus receptus or give me the comfort of the other ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"known Greek manuscripts",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"speak Latin show me",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,give me "textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,

 

[cfultz3]

return to the first post you made,,,,,,,,,,,,"i will be using textus receptus ect,,ect.",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i have no problem with the Greek",,,,,,,,,,,,"keoine Greek" is the language the new testament were written in" ,,other than the possability thet the "letter written to the Hebrews"was written in its original form in Hebrew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wich me nor you can confirm,,,,,,,,,,"show me Latin",,,,,,,,,,,give me to be comfortable with textus receptus or give me the comfort of the other ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"known Greek manuscripts",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"speak Latin show me",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,give me "textus receptus",,,,,,,,,,,

God bless you in this endeavor. May I point you to my last post I wrote you.

 

[iamsoandso]

anandahya,,,,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,,,,"picnic anyone",,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[iamsoandso]

your prayers are answered "i am in the midst of loving you",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[iamsoandso]

cfultz3,,,,,,"i will listen now",,,,,,Hebrews chapter 12,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,god the father bless you in this endeavor,,,,,,,,,,,,"god speed and i do not take the giving of the words gods speed likely",,,,,,,,,,,

 

[GreenNnice]

greenNice,,,,,,,,,,,,,just based on you picture(on the post),,,,,,,,,,,,,i thought not much of you,,,,but i am corrected in your speech's,,,,that is after readind the things you have posted over the last few months,,,,,,,,,,,"thank you for setting me straight",,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i assumed from the picture",,,,,,,,,you were an child,,,,,,,"i do apologize",,,,,,,,,,,,,the "monster emblem threw me off",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but you are smarter than the average bear",,,,,,,,,you keep being you,,,,,,,,,,,,and forgive me if i "snickered",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i wonder who else actually read what you said",,,,,,,,,,,,,,please take no offense in my appoligy,,,,,,,,,,,

Aw, no, iamsoandso, no offense ever, your words are profound music to my ears, I see the Spirit-power in you, His Spirit has told me this true, too , ever since the very first post of yours I saw a few months ago. I'm certain the Lord teaches me much through your words although now your said things on c.c. are filed away in my green brain's, I pray, for safekeeping, because it's so lock-and-key rich
I pray, great and marvelous things from Him for you, iamsoandso

Note: yes, that is my girl in my avatar and that is my shirt that looks like a 'M' for drink, 'Monster,' but it's representing not the drink, but what is said below the 'M,'....

John 3:16
Eternal Energy

lol greenie's groovy but don't let that fool you. as you said Iamsoandso. He's "smarter than the average bear"

picnic anyone?

Ana, you speak powerful Truth on c.c. and you are moving others powerfully on c.c., like God surveying the face of the deep in the beginning of time.
God bless you in ALL ways with great peace, for showing the great Love, grace, mercy of Christ to everyone you see and through everything you say and anything you do and everywhere you go with whoever you go with. I pray great things for you, boldly helping your friends and family, following Him in Spirit and in Truth.

Thank you for finding good in the following work, and hope you will continue to post. But, let us not turn much attention away from the project in endless debate of which is the most proper manuscript of Scripture. Yes, 'Texus Receptus' means 'received text' in Vulgar Latin (which Latin overtook the Koine Greek as the next language and thus why the Latin title says, "the text we receive" (as it was in the orginal Greek)). It is the same set of Greek collected books the King James Version used. There is not one manuscript out there that does not have its critics. So, it should not become our intent to place doubt in the viability of the Textus Receptus, but in every manner, remain in harmony with the written word most accepted. God bless you I am so and so for your insightfulness.

Let the Lord lead, cee, I am not sure what iamsoandso is saying, but, at least, look to verify Textus Receptus is my thinking. Iamsoandso is a wise man.

Blessings, Christ bro

 

[AnandaHya]

if you wanted to start a new thread about the Bible in Latin you can, or if you want a link of the Bible in Latin. here is one....

Vulgate Index

Vulgate (Latin): Hebrews Chapter 12

1 Ideoque et nos tantam habentes impositam nubem testium, deponentes omne pondus, et circumstans nos peccatum, per patientiam curramus ad propositum nobis certamen:
2 aspicientes in auctorem fidei, et consummatorem Jesum, qui proposito sibi gaudio sustinuit crucem, confusione contempta, atque in dextera sedis Dei sedet.
3 Recogitate enim eum qui talem sustinuit a peccatoribus adversum semetipsum contradictionem: ut ne fatigemini, animis vestris deficientes.
4 Nondum enim usque ad sanguinem restitistis, adversus peccatum repugnantes:
5 et obliti estis consolationis, quæ vobis tamquam filiis loquitur, dicens: Fili mi, noli negligere disciplinam Domini: neque fatigeris dum ab eo argueris.
6 Quem enim diligit Dominus, castigat: flagellat autem omnem filium, quem recipit.
7 In disciplina perseverate. Tamquam filiis vobis offert se Deus: quis enim filius, quem non corripit pater?
8 quod si extra disciplinam estis, cujus participes facti sunt omnes: ergo adulteri, et non filii esti

 

[Abiding]

oh its u two again getting all biblical......cool

 

[iamsoandso]

"m" yes the first 10 times i saw it "i just glanced",,after a while of reading your postings i "used the magnifier settings" and took a closer look,,,,,,,then my old eyeballs saw the john 3;16,,,,,,,,,,anandahya,"no i did not" the text we received were all written in Greek,Hebrew and Aramaic,the Latin, English,German, ect. are all interpretations of "the text we received",so "they do not apply was always my point",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to the "originals now",,,,,,,,,,which set? the ones the kjv was taken from are at the "British museum" in England.,i met a man years ago who moved the dead sea scrolls from exhibit to exhibit and in the conversation he explained the process to me of the way they are housed. they are treated and sealed between sheets of glass, and a camera is set up over them its difficult to navigate through the br. museum site but when you find them you can print/save ect. they are linked through several universities (the ones who teach Koine Greek) this was from the "original internet" that linked the college libraries before the www came about in the late 80's,,,,,,,,,,,of the book of Hebrews i should say,,,"i do believe it to be a valid portion of the bible",,,,,,,,,but that said, the book of Hebrews accordingto (Eusebius of Caesarea) who was the bishop of casarea (palatine a.d. 263-339) of the church of Rome,,,was not written in Greek but was written in Hebrew and then translated to Greek,,,,,then as we know the Greek was translated to (Latin Vulgate) or the kjv from Greek to English.on the other hand it may have been originally written in Aramaic,,,but we don't know the Aurthur is not for sure(i wont get into that),,,,,,but the "manuscripts we recieved",,,are in Greek so Greek is all we have so also is why i said "i like that you look at the verbs,nouns ect." becouse they remain constant when a sentence is translated from one language to another,,but there are acceptations names in Hebrew (were description type meanings) that is we see in other post the name of Christ in great contavercy over this very issue because what it meant in the original tongue could not be translated into the Greek so it was interpreted using the closest meanings (equivalent to Greek) ,,,,,,,,,well i have meant no offense to any of you in my speech,,,,,,i am "christian",,i have never been a member of this denomination or that so at times i note in chat rooms people tend to think "oh he's this religion",,,,,,,,,,,,or oh he see's it that way because he's from the church of"?",,,,,,,but i am only me trying to follow Christ as well i can,,,,,,,,,,so i look at you all and see what you say and research the things you discuss,,,,,,,,,,