Hebrews

[oldthennew]

Oldhermit,

your concept is a good and sincere concept - albeit some are obviously feeling that they are not being put
on an equal footing with you, and this makes some uncomfortable and rightly so.

if we are a member of the Body of Christ, we are all given Spiritual gifts and are directed
to share them.
on a forum like this one we are all of equal standing, so sharing wisdom and knowledge is a
matter of using the tools and circumstances at hand to share whatever gifts we have been
given thus far.

we personally love Bible studies and have had many in our home - but even if I have
35yrs. of studying the Word of God in comparison to a babe in Christ, my advanced
knowledge is just a matter of timing and as we know, the clock is continually reset.
we must give each member an equal share of the Spiritual Pie.

to use authority, knowledge and wisdom in a righteous manner, according to the will of God
is a good challenge on a forum such as this.

 

[phil112]

I will certainly give it a hearing.

My question concerns what happens if I have a different take on a particular verse or passage. I have too much respect for you to disrupt your class; but I would be very uncomfortable if I had a point of disagreement and were constrained from making it known.

Just present it to me in an email.

That keeps me out. If there is a disagreement, it would benefit all participants to know about it. The disagreement should be openly stated, and the rebuttal/resolution should also be overt. That is how one learns.
To do it privily is against bible instruction and insinuates that one person has knowledge another doesn't.
While that may be the case, to present it in such a manner seems somewhat haughty and/or arrogant.

I would think it would be more beneficial if all were treated as peers and one that didn't properly understand a verse or passage was tutored openly so that all could benefit.jmo

Malachi 3:16

 

[SpySat1]

So who do you guys think wrote Hebrews anyway? Paul? Barnabas? Someone else? I'd love to hear your guys thoughts. Peace! Trust in God!

 

[purgedconscience]

So who do you guys think wrote Hebrews anyway? Paul? Barnabas? Someone else? I'd love to hear your guys thoughts. Peace! Trust in God!

Not that it really matters, but I lean heavily in Paul's direction.

Hebrews chapter 10 verse 34

For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

Hebrews chapter 13 verses 23 and 24

Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.
Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

Whoever wrote this epistle, he was in bonds or in prison at some point in time, he was apparently a travelling companion of Timothy and he had apparently been to Italy. All three of these descriptions would certainly apply to Paul. Then there's also the contrasts between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant in this epistle which permeate Paul's epistles, especially Romans and Galatians, and there's also talk about how Jesus is Abraham's seed which is another staple of Paul's teachings elsewhere.

Like I said, it doesn't really matter who the natural author is. The book was inspired by the Holy Spirit and that's good enough for me.

 

[just-me]

The book of Hebrews clearly defines the foreshadowing of the New Covenant, and gives insight to how the Old Covenant is necessary to comprehend the truth of the New. It is one of the best books in the New Testament for us to understand the entire plan of salvation, completed in Christ Jesus, and How it was God's divine purpose from the beginning of time.

Colossians 1:12-20
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

 

[popeye]

Start a new thread. "Study of the book of Hebrews"

See what happens.

 

[atwhatcost]

Hi Oldhermit,

I'm not sure that becoming an 'online teacher' is a good thing, in the respect of a classroom setting. A couple of reasons came to me.

1. There is no accountability
2. there is no physical communion in hearing the taught word amongst believers, prayer and uplifting in a geographical/local sense
3. Christians are to put themselves under the authority of the church elders (or whatever way you church provides leadership), which takes us back to point 1! Can your 'students' know you, i mean can they watch your life and are you accountable to them or the authority you are under?

Please don't take this personally as I am sure you mean well.. However, I have serious reservations when someone sets themselves up as a 'teacher' without any sort of accountability.

With that logic, shouldn't this site be closed down? And, aren't you being a teacher with this post?

 

[atwhatcost]

Lynn,

It is possible to create a bible discussion group on the forum with controlled membership. The founder(s) of the group determine criteria for membership; and those wishing to participate apply for membership.

I don't recall making mention of controlled leadership.

And now you know why it takes me a while to get stuff. lol

Aphasia. My mind plays tricks on me. I see the right word, but sometimes change it to a completely different word, with the only similarities of some of the letters are the same.

You're right. You didn't say that. Now if I could just convince my mind to see the real word. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

That keeps me out. If there is a disagreement, it would benefit all participants to know about it. The disagreement should be openly stated, and the rebuttal/resolution should also be overt. That is how one learns.
To do it privily is against bible instruction and insinuates that one person has knowledge another doesn't.
While that may be the case, to present it in such a manner seems somewhat haughty and/or arrogant.

I would think it would be more beneficial if all were treated as peers and one that didn't properly understand a verse or passage was tutored openly so that all could benefit.jmo

Malachi 3:16

That's world-speak, not Biblical.

We're not equally knowledged. We're not all teachers. 30+ years teaching Hebrews at different levels really is something most of us (if not all of us) cannot equal. Pretending some babe in Christ is equal to the task is a terrible thing to do to the babe or the others in the class. To pretend just because I'm 59 I suddenly know all there is to know about a book in the Bible and therefore 30+ years of knowing that book well enough to teach it is the same as my experience, screws me up and others in the class.

That thought IS arrogance.

What I maintain is my right, even when I listen to OH is I have full rights to disagree. I do not have full rights to prove I'm something I'm not in his class, simply because I disagree.

I can do other things in that disagreement:
1. Shut up.
2. Think it out.
3. PM OH.
4. If I still disagree, ask on BDF.

Not the same as wasting valuable class time pretending we're equals.

In the 80's, hubby went to college. He took a course on Logic. It was a waste of time and money, because two 18 year olds that were off to prove how smart they were spent class after class saying, "But cats aren't blue." (If you've ever taken the basics on Logic, you know how exasperating that line is. Imagine it two days a week, 90 minutes each class, for three months.)

So, yeah, the world likes to pretend kids are "equal" to adults, and every adult is absolutely equal, but it's not reality. And it truly isn't Biblical, unless you disagree with Titus 2. (Even if you do, it doesn't make it any less Biblical. lol)

So, let's stop pretending we belong to the world!

 

[atwhatcost]

So who do you guys think wrote Hebrews anyway? Paul? Barnabas? Someone else? I'd love to hear your guys thoughts. Peace! Trust in God!

Really? And cats aren't blue! This thread isn't to spend idle time discussing non sequitur about Hebrews.

 

[atwhatcost]

Start a new thread. "Study of the book of Hebrews"

See what happens.

Why bother? Enough people think this is that thread.

 

[purgedconscience]

The shop steward has arrived...

 

[atwhatcost]

The shop steward has arrived...

And the boy still wants to rant against everyone else.

 

[SpySat1]

Really? And cats aren't blue! This thread isn't to spend idle time discussing non sequitur about Hebrews.

I thought this was an open discussion about Hebrews. I didn't realize it was a rhetorical thread. I personally think it's important to understand the author as well as the audience.