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Locutus

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Let me see here, God is a just judge.

70-90 years of sin equals cooking in your own juices for eternity..
 

Magenta

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you just choose to reject parts of scripture which is your choice to do so .
I choose to uphold the truth of Scripture. You choose to turn God into a sadistic monster while you promote the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of all creation.
 
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Is it much easier for some to believe God is wicked master punishing people because He decided not to have mercy on some. Dead is dead not suspected animation forever and ever. Hell is not hibernation
Hell is eternal punishment, Eternal =lasting or existing forever; without end. Some people make up in their own minds eternal punishment is temporary & souls vanish into smoke. The scriptures says no such thing. If annihilation makes people feel better go ahead, the truth is hard for some people to accept
 

Magenta

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Burning people never entered God's mind? Then why does He send them to the lake of fire to burn for all eternity? :confused:
That is right, Blue, God says the thought of burning people never entered His mind. Blue, I have addressed the question of eternity multiple times. I have addressed pretty much every issue multiple times. Here are some links to them:

Each number is a clickable link to that specific post :)

Forever is not meant to be taken to mean without end ~> #6

Using proper language for heaven and hell ~>
#7

John 3:16 perish meaning ~>
#11

Hell is used in place of four different words (1) Sheol ~>
#13 and #14

Death does not encompass consciousness ~>
#19

Death is the punishment of sin ~>
#20

Hell is used in place of four different words (2) Hades ~>
#21

Hell is used in place of four different words (3) Gehenna ~>
#22

Hell is used in place of four different words (4) Tartaros
#23

The second death the end of the unsaved ~>
#27

Inconceivable opposition to God's Word ~>
#29

Scriptures attesting that death is the final everlasting punishment ~> #38
 

Magenta

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Hell is eternal punishment, Eternal =lasting or existing forever; without end.
There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that man or the soul of man is immortal aside from the life that is found through faith in the shed blood of Jesus upon the cross, where Christ paid the price for sin, which is death. In fact, Scripture explicitly says that man is mortal and puts on immortality through Christ. Scripture also explicitly says that only God is immortal, and that He can destroy both body and soul. Over and over and over again we are told that the soul that sins shall die. The dead know nothing. Anyone not found in Jesus Christ at the end of this age passes into the second death. These things are all explicitly stated, clearly said, and yet people deny them.

There are quite a few places in the Bible where forever is not
meant to be taken to mean without end. Here are a few of them:

Sodom's fiery judgment is 'eternal' (Jude 7) - until...
God 'will restore the fortunes of Sodom' (Eze. 16:53-55).


Israel's 'affliction is incurable' (Jeremiah 30:12) - until... the
Lord 'will restore health' and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

The sin of Samaria 'is incurable' (Micah 1:9) - until...
Lord 'will restore the fortunes of Samaria.' (Ez. 16:53).


Ammon is to become a 'wasteland forever' and 'rise no more' (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27)
- until... the Lord will 'restore the fortunes of the Ammonites' (Jeremiah 49:6).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation 'forever'
- until... the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).


Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were 'everlasting',
that is - until... they 'were shattered' (Habakkuk 3 3:6).


The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an 'everlasting' priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is -
until... it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).


Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple 'forever' (1 Kings 8:13), that is - until... the Temple was destroyed.


The Law of Moses was to be an 'everlasting covenant' (Leviticus 24:8), yet we read in the New Covenant the first was 'done away' and 'abolished' (2 Corinthians 3:11,13), and God 'made the first old' (Hebrews 8:13).


The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a 'perpetual' - until... Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).


God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah 'forever' - until... the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1:17).


Egypt and Elam will 'rise no more' (Jeremiah 25:27) - until... the Lord will 'restore the fortunes of Egypt' (Ezekiel 29:14) and 'restore the fortunes of Elam' (Jeremiah 49:39).


'Moab is destroyed' (Jeremiah 48:4, 42) - until... the Lord 'will restore the fortunes of Moab' (Jeremiah 48:47).


Israel's judgment lasts 'forever' - until... the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).


The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bondslave was to serve his master 'forever' (Exodus 21:6), that is - until... his death."
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/restitution/meaningforever.htm
 
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Yes Magenta, im aware of your passion to post several scriptures while ignoring the scriptures about tormented forever & having no rest day or night those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name." Mind you that's talking about PEOPLE who take the mark of the beast. But as I said before believe in whatever makes you feel better since you deny the scriptures.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Augustine ....... “To say that life eternal shall be endless, [but that] punishment eternal shall come to an end is the height of absurdity.”
 

Magenta

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Augustine ....... “To say that life eternal shall be endless, [but that] punishment eternal shall come to an end is the height of absurdity.”
That is a logical fallacy :p
 

Magenta

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Yes Magenta, im aware of your passion to post several scriptures while ignoring the scriptures about tormented forever & having no rest day or night those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name." Mind you that's talking about PEOPLE who take the mark of the beast. But as I said before believe in whatever makes you feel better since you deny the scriptures.
Several HAHAHAHAHHAHA. You repeatedly ignore a MULTITUDE of Scripture and then pretend I ignore Scripture because you point to two. Yes, the second death, I have heard of it, I believe it, it is you who do not.
 
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wsblind

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Let me see here, God is a just judge.

70-90 years of sin equals cooking in your own juices for eternity..
Your premise is false then. God Judged ALL sin upon His Cross.

Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin. So people don't go to the LoF forever for their sins.

Jesus Christ paid the penalty for ALL sin. So it isn't sin that is being judged.

What is being judged is of an eternal nature.
 
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Several HAHAHAHAHHAHA. You repeatedly ignore a MULTITUDE of Scripture and then pretend I ignore Scripture because you point to two. Yes, the second death, I have heard of it, I believe it, it is you who do not.
as i said before believe in whatever makes you feel better.
 

Ahwatukee

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Let me see here, God is a just judge.

70-90 years of sin equals cooking in your own juices for eternity..
Yes. Locutus! And that because all sin is against the infinite, Holy and righteous God, the creator of all things. Who are you are anyone else to place yourself above God by criticizing or questioning his method of punishment, as though He needed yours or anyone else's approval? Therefore, the punishment is not weighed out in terms of time of sin committed, but to whom the sin is against and it is severe!

Not to mention the fact that eternal punishment (on-going, conscious, awareness) in everlasting fire, is proclaimed throughout scripture, the meaning of which many seem to distort. And this is not about the issue of eternal punishment, but about departure from scripture.

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

The same word "aionios/eternal" is used above to describe the state of existence for both life and punishment. Therefore, if you say that eternal punishment is temporary, then eternal life would also have to be temporary and vice versa. The meaning of "eternal" has to mean the same thing for both groups. You can't have one meaning on-going, never ending and the other meaning immediate non-existence.

 

Ahwatukee

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as i said before believe in whatever makes you feel better.
Morning prynceNY,

As I am sure that you are aware, there are no scriptures that support temporary punishment or annihilation, as Magenta continues to claim. Not one.
 

Magenta

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Morning prynceNY,

As I am sure that you are aware, there are no scriptures that support temporary punishment or annihilation, as Magenta continues to claim. Not one.
The wages of sin is death. The dead know nothing. Any more lies you want to tell?
 

blue_ladybug

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M, haven't looked at your references yet, but if the lake of fire is where God sends unrepentant sinners, then how is it possible to say that God doesn't send them there to burn (or at least be tormented) for all eternity? I seem to be missing something.. :confused: