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sorry. repent believe or believe then repent or believe . or athist, please vote now, lol
2 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
2 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
sorry, [SUP]strange , when did i get the right to say, who god saves, and dose not save.7 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;[/SUP][SUP]38give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you."[/SUP]
The point cfultz3 is making is that people such as yourself which teach that salvation is a thing of the past, and same as being born again miss the purpose in the plan of salvation. Yes, in Christ we are offered a new life. Our old man has been abolished, not the words of God that are written in the law or the Old Covenant. Satan desired the law to be messed up so badly by the pharisees that no one could see the truth and the reason God gave it in the first place. Today Satan wants it abolished to achieve the same purpose as then. Here's the “point made” that I was referring to.
Romans 2:13 You cannot hear something that doesn't exist.
Romans 3:31 Ya can't throw away something that has been thrown away before you take it to throw it away.
Romans 7:16 and Romans 7:22 Ya can't say something is good and delightful if it isn't there to experience. “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” Proverbs 30:6 “He that saith , I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4 “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 5:46-27
You can see my mood in what I just wrote in this post. One more thing to all who think the law has been “abolished.” What IS abolished is the physical, carnal, fleshly, temple built by man's hands concepts of the law to the believing human. The spiritual reality of the law has never changed or has been made void. Jesus didn't come to change His own Father's will or purpose. HE CAME TO CHANGE US! "Repentance" to a true believer is every day, not something that happened in the past and then we can continue on our merry old way and say to ourselves, “Man I'm sure thankful that that's all over. Yay! I'm gonna get a reward.
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22-23
John, who was on the mount of transfiguration saw Jesus talking with Isiah and Moses. He didn't see any argument or hear Jesus say “Moses, it's my way now and I don't care what my Father said to you. John says this. “Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past , and the true light now shineth.” 1 John 2:7-8
And God said , Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:3
"Ya see now?
Romans 2:13 You cannot hear something that doesn't exist.
Romans 3:31 Ya can't throw away something that has been thrown away before you take it to throw it away.
Romans 7:16 and Romans 7:22 Ya can't say something is good and delightful if it isn't there to experience. “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” Proverbs 30:6 “He that saith , I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4 “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 5:46-27
You can see my mood in what I just wrote in this post. One more thing to all who think the law has been “abolished.” What IS abolished is the physical, carnal, fleshly, temple built by man's hands concepts of the law to the believing human. The spiritual reality of the law has never changed or has been made void. Jesus didn't come to change His own Father's will or purpose. HE CAME TO CHANGE US! "Repentance" to a true believer is every day, not something that happened in the past and then we can continue on our merry old way and say to ourselves, “Man I'm sure thankful that that's all over. Yay! I'm gonna get a reward.
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22-23
John, who was on the mount of transfiguration saw Jesus talking with Isiah and Moses. He didn't see any argument or hear Jesus say “Moses, it's my way now and I don't care what my Father said to you. John says this. “Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past , and the true light now shineth.” 1 John 2:7-8
And God said , Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:3
"Ya see now?
Correction to previous post. "John, who was on the mount of transfiguration saw Jesus talking with Elijah (Elias) and Moses." Matthew 17:1-3
The NEW COVENANT...
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Same Law but written on a different medium...
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Same Law but written on a different medium...
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
if there is a new covenant , would the old, be good for history, deeper understanding of a jewish people., or a deeper understanding of god, and how he changed things in history, etc the bible. etc
for the record, believers, believe in a god.
history of time , proves change, and that would be, if the new covenant , started at pentecost(jewish) cornelius (gentile)
after 70 ad who can follow full law of moses, with no temple (stone)
prove the full law was given to a gentile.
acts 10 (the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe)
at or around 48 ad time wise, when jesus was back in heaven, and acts 15. asks when did a gentile get the full law. (and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ ) 9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
yes or no answer. when did your walk, come into the equation.
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
again prove the full law was given to a gentile. because acts 15 clearly speaks or tells the reader, different.
and ad 70 no temple. what good is law part or spiritual.
what covenant is in place that dose not need a temple of stone.
for the record, believers, believe in a god.
history of time , proves change, and that would be, if the new covenant , started at pentecost(jewish) cornelius (gentile)
after 70 ad who can follow full law of moses, with no temple (stone)
prove the full law was given to a gentile.
acts 10 (the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe)
at or around 48 ad time wise, when jesus was back in heaven, and acts 15. asks when did a gentile get the full law. (and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ ) 9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
yes or no answer. when did your walk, come into the equation.
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
again prove the full law was given to a gentile. because acts 15 clearly speaks or tells the reader, different.
and ad 70 no temple. what good is law part or spiritual.
what covenant is in place that dose not need a temple of stone.
Gentiles as you and I are included
Romans 2:9-10
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
FYI the very same day Moses ascended into the mount to receive the stone tablets is the very same day the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost. Pentecost is the same day as the final day of the feast of weeks. Put it together rather than taring it apart. Exodus 24:15 The new covenant began at the death of Christ Jesus. Passover to be exact.
The Priesthood was changed from Levi to Judah. The temple is now made by Christ. What vanished, the physical or the spiritual? Do we make the law void because of faith? The first mention of the just living by faith is in the writing of the old covenant writings.
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
What was really abolished, our response to love, or the physical temple and its physical ordinances?
Ephesians 2:15-16
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Hebrews 8:13 and 9:1
Do we reject the Old Testament law and the prophets and in so doing reject all that Jesus taught before His death? We have to put it together in the proper manner that is approved by God.
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Hebrews 9:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 Not just parts of scripture, and making void the rest.
Romans 2:9-10
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
FYI the very same day Moses ascended into the mount to receive the stone tablets is the very same day the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost. Pentecost is the same day as the final day of the feast of weeks. Put it together rather than taring it apart. Exodus 24:15 The new covenant began at the death of Christ Jesus. Passover to be exact.
The Priesthood was changed from Levi to Judah. The temple is now made by Christ. What vanished, the physical or the spiritual? Do we make the law void because of faith? The first mention of the just living by faith is in the writing of the old covenant writings.
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
What was really abolished, our response to love, or the physical temple and its physical ordinances?
Ephesians 2:15-16
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Hebrews 8:13 and 9:1
Do we reject the Old Testament law and the prophets and in so doing reject all that Jesus taught before His death? We have to put it together in the proper manner that is approved by God.
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Hebrews 9:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 Not just parts of scripture, and making void the rest.
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Regarding Gentiles and Jews, from Galatians............
Gal 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
It is fantastic to know we who have faith are indeed the children of Abraham. Now we all share in the faith of Abraham, who heard the Gospel long before most of mankind, the promise, amen.
Gal 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
It is fantastic to know we who have faith are indeed the children of Abraham. Now we all share in the faith of Abraham, who heard the Gospel long before most of mankind, the promise, amen.
tell me what law i am to repeat about. and who gave this law to a gentile. and did the old covenant need a temple (stone) with no temple (stone,) HOW CAN ANYONE FOLLOW THIS LAW. and if the new covenant
grace is a gift, by believing in jesus. ware is the word repent. i already know i fall short.(for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God)
proper manner.
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ forall who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
prove the old testament law was given to a gentile. ACTS 10, peter said you know a jew can not talk with a gentile, etc so who. told the gentile this the law.
is there a point.
all your doing is repeating what i said, but missed the facts ,when was the full law given to a gentile.
again prove the full law was given to a gentile. because acts 15 clearly speaks or tells the reader, different.
and ad 70 no temple. what good is law part or spiritual.
what covenant is in place that dose not need a temple of stone.
again prove the full law was given to a gentile. because acts 15 clearly speaks or tells the reader, different.
and ad 70 no temple. what good is law part or spiritual.
what covenant is in place that dose not need a temple of stone.
death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead. (you could ask the eye witness ie the apostles (pentecost))etc
what happened to the old covenant , if there is a new one in place.
(Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt
do you have a date in history, when it started. the new covenant, and when was a gentile, in history ,time introduced to the jewish god.
do you have anything you would like to add, ie who told the gentile the law of moses, if a jewish person could not speak to a gentile.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
(Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt
do you have a date in history, when it started. the new covenant, and when was a gentile, in history ,time introduced to the jewish god.
do you have anything you would like to add, ie who told the gentile the law of moses, if a jewish person could not speak to a gentile.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
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what happened to the old covenant , if there is a new one in place.
(Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt
do you have a date in history, when it started. the new covenant, and when was a gentile, in history ,time introduced to the jewish god.
do you have anything you would like to add, ie who told the gentile the law of moses, if a jewish person could not speak to a gentile.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
(Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt
do you have a date in history, when it started. the new covenant, and when was a gentile, in history ,time introduced to the jewish god.
do you have anything you would like to add, ie who told the gentile the law of moses, if a jewish person could not speak to a gentile.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
The Law you speak of in Gal 3 is the Law of sacrifices. Paul goes on to explain that quite well in the book of Hebrews...
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
What are we talking about here? The Law of sacrifices. Continuing...
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
This is what Christ fulfilled. The animal sacrifices were a type, a shadow if you will, of the ultimate perfect Sacrifice that Christ made in 31AD. Vs 3 - 4 show that...
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
They were a reminder of the fact that sin requires blood...
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
but animal sacrifices were unable to do that as we read in verse 4. They were a remembrance, an tutor, a schoolmaster to lead us to understand the perfect Sacrifice of Christ.
mmmm all you want. what law did the gentile have,
again prove the full law was given to a gentile. because acts 15 clearly speaks or tells the reader, different.
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ forall who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
again prove the full law was given to a gentile. because acts 15 clearly speaks or tells the reader, different.
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ forall who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
what date was a gentile saved again, or even a jewish person talking to a gentile, again would this be after pentecost,
what law, did abraham have.
16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
believe, in who to be heirs to the promise.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
ware dose it say justified by law. but a gift by (god s)grace
what law, did abraham have.
16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
believe, in who to be heirs to the promise.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
ware dose it say justified by law. but a gift by (god s)grace