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I never said that, now your putting words in my mouth. I say that law will not save you and that is true. Law will only point out your sin and show your failure. Am I wrong? The Cross will set you free and how, by the Holy Spirit working in you and through you. it is not your works but Christ working through you or is Paul a liar?
What does the OT say, it is not by might nor by power but by My Spirit saith the Lord. Am I wrong or right?
What does the OT say, it is not by might nor by power but by My Spirit saith the Lord. Am I wrong or right?
There's more to the law than this as I quote "Law will only point out your sin and show your failure. Am I wrong?"
What part of these laws point out your failure, haven't you been practicing the principles of love and resting in Christ?
Leviticus 19:3 and 9-18
3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my *sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
As we can see there is more than one *Sabbath.
9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
11 Ye shall not steal , neither deal falsely , neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
What part of these laws point out your failure, haven't you been practicing the principles of love and resting in Christ?
Leviticus 19:3 and 9-18
3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my *sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
As we can see there is more than one *Sabbath.
9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
11 Ye shall not steal , neither deal falsely , neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
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You should be asking, why the Gospel of Jesus Christ, since you seem to thing the crossed wood alone is your faith. That was the cross for fulfilling all righteousness from Moses and the Prophets. Now we each have our own cross to bear, we are each given our own way in trials. Perhaps you should read more of what Jesus Christ teaches, and not pass on what you have been taught by theologians. Also, were you to read and know the Old Testament, which you are asking about on down the way, perhaps you would understand how obedience of the law under grace is natural for all who call on Jesus Christ's salvation in spirit and truth. The law did and does work, but you have not yet learned this. You have not learned there are some laws that were not intended to be obeyed, and do not balk at this for Jesus Christ, Himself, demonstrates this iby His own actions. Of course you do not recognize this either since you have become perfect as you have posted without sin, and you are a teacher of your own rules, which are laws. I did not read all of your posts; I was taking a nap..............
Knowing the grace given by the Blood of Jesus Christ, we know how to observe the law, where grace applies in place of law, and much more. You may read the words and dquote them, but it is important to know how they are applied and what they intend to teach. Everything you see, and some you do not, is created by the Spirit.
Agreed
I wrote something on another post that I believe all of us should take a good should look into the mirror and see ourselves as we truly are. Let's agree on the truth not using the phrase that we "agree to disagree." That's not what the Bible says a church should do. There is no compromise written in scripture. It's either this way or that. There is no in-between.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-replace-seventh-day-sabbath.html#post1690155
James 1:23-24
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way , and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was .
I wrote something on another post that I believe all of us should take a good should look into the mirror and see ourselves as we truly are. Let's agree on the truth not using the phrase that we "agree to disagree." That's not what the Bible says a church should do. There is no compromise written in scripture. It's either this way or that. There is no in-between.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-replace-seventh-day-sabbath.html#post1690155
James 1:23-24
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way , and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was .
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Before I was convinced by the Holy Spirit I did not disobey the commandments, and receiving the Holy Spirit did not give me license to ignore them. So it is with the laws of morality. The Holy Spirit not only witnesses to the grace of Jesus Christ's sacrifice for all who come to Him; It also witnesses to the wisdom and justice and judgment of the law. Anyone who sees with the heart, mind and soul uinderstands this. To deliberately teach against the commandments of God is recrucifying out Lord, it would seem to me. To think one may deliberately break God's commandments (that is sin) is an abomination. Yes, we are not perfect as you say you are after we are saved, but we work, we labor, to enter into that etrnal rest with God because He loved us first, and we now love Him for all He does, has done, and will do for us. He is wonderful, amen.
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That is the whole problem. You and others here ignore scripture to cling to your false doctrine of obeying the law. If you are under God's spirit, you aren't under the law. Until you recognize that, you cannot be of full age spiritually, and you have need of milk. You folks need to stay away from the strong meat of the word. It is not possible for you to digest it.
Romans 7:6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."
Romans 8:1-4 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
You are obeying the law of sin and death and you are doomed by those efforts.
Romans 7:6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."
Romans 8:1-4 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
You are obeying the law of sin and death and you are doomed by those efforts.
In certain things you are correct but are missing the overall substance of the truth. Does faith establish something that no longer exists?
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law." Paul's teaching Romans 3:31
Reconcile that with Romans 7:6 and Romans 8:1-4
Does our faith that establishes the law send us to hell or might the concept be the opposite that without the law being established in our hearts shows no faith and is a ticket to hell?
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law." Paul's teaching Romans 3:31
Reconcile that with Romans 7:6 and Romans 8:1-4
Does our faith that establishes the law send us to hell or might the concept be the opposite that without the law being established in our hearts shows no faith and is a ticket to hell?
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K
I just want to pose a thought out their on how I feel the bible is saying about the subject of not being under the law, making the old covenant obsolete, or however else you want to ration out not following commandments any more.
QUESTION:
Do you believe the reason why we are not under the law or written ordinances is because by being under Jesus Christ covenant of love and forgiveness, that we should no longer think of them as laws but as a natural every day way of life in which one should walk, not as do or do not's ?
QUESTION:
Do you believe the reason why we are not under the law or written ordinances is because by being under Jesus Christ covenant of love and forgiveness, that we should no longer think of them as laws but as a natural every day way of life in which one should walk, not as do or do not's ?
I think that in part. The law to a true believer is enlightening. The law didn't change when I first believed, I did, and now I no longer view it as condemnation but blessings for understanding God's awesomeness. Take the "omer" in offerings for example. I just learned that this word means the word of promise.
Particularly, in the “Feast of Tabernacles,” we can find that there were certain measurements of *flour mixed with oil to be offered with the Bullock, being an allegory, or comparison, representing the attributes, and sovereignty of Jesus Christ. This measurement was called an “omer” which means promise. Psalm 68:11 The Lord gave the word: (Strong's 562) great was the company of those that published it. 562 'omer o'-mer the same as 561:--promise, speech, thing, word.
The flour is the *word.
Particularly, in the “Feast of Tabernacles,” we can find that there were certain measurements of *flour mixed with oil to be offered with the Bullock, being an allegory, or comparison, representing the attributes, and sovereignty of Jesus Christ. This measurement was called an “omer” which means promise. Psalm 68:11 The Lord gave the word: (Strong's 562) great was the company of those that published it. 562 'omer o'-mer the same as 561:--promise, speech, thing, word.
The flour is the *word.
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I wonder: What if we added to the 150+ instances of the word "law' in the New Testament with something like 'law which has been abolished'? What would it then say? I would like to give a couple of examples.
Disclaimer:
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law. which has been abolished, are just before God, but the doers of the law, which has been abolished, shall be justified.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law, which has been abolished, through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law, which has been abolished.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law, which has been abolished, that it is good.
Last, but, most definitely, not the least:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, which has been abolished, after the inward man:
Disclaimer:
Clearly, I am not intentionally adding to Scripture, just doing a what-if.
I fully understand that my righteousness is by my faith in Christ alone.
I am found innocent (justified) through my faith in Christ, not my deeds.
Jesus has Lordship (dominion over) now, not the Law.
I fully understand that my righteousness is by my faith in Christ alone.
I am found innocent (justified) through my faith in Christ, not my deeds.
Jesus has Lordship (dominion over) now, not the Law.
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law. which has been abolished, are just before God, but the doers of the law, which has been abolished, shall be justified.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law, which has been abolished, through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law, which has been abolished.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law, which has been abolished, that it is good.
Last, but, most definitely, not the least:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, which has been abolished, after the inward man:
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