Heresy on Christianchat

[7seven7]

I don't find this topic funny in the slightest.

It is not pleasant to watch people being deceived.

you are entitled to believe i'm wrong but never doubt the Bible.

The Truth will set you free.

Farewell for now.

Please read this thread tomorrow. God bless.

 

[Hanady]

you mean that now we dont know the truth and we will go to hell bc of it? what do u mean by the truth? we believe in Jesus as our savior so don't worry about us, and we are happy being catholics and we dont judge others, we love our brothers and sisters in Christ, being a protestant or a catholic, that doesnt even matter, we all believe in Jesus as our savior, you can have your faith and we can have our faith and we are happy being one big family in the Catholic church and i thank God for that because we have a father, brother, mother, sisters and brothers in heaven and doing miracles everyday in the name of Jesus to show us what love really means, what the love of Jesus really means, so Thank you God for that , i am happy being who i am and i am happy with my faith

 

[7seven7]

If he is deceived than why haven't you answered his question yet? Answering back saying "the Queen of Heaven," doesn't answer a question, which entitles him to every right to laugh at your stupidity. If you claim to know truth, than say it!

Young brother, i appreciate your logic in this, and your point is completely valid. But remember, that there is always a way of making your point without abusing people with words like "stupidity". For a 16 yr old though, your logic exceeds that of some others on this site. God bless you, whether you believe in Him or not!

 

[loveme1]

Heavenly Father does not want us to partake in abominable worship.

We are to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

The catholic church is not of Him.

It is deceiving you if you believe you can continue abominable things and Love Him.

Loving Him is doing what is pleasing to Him.

Do not let a religion come between you and your Creator.

Read the Bible from beginning to end for yourselves and learn of Him.

 

[loveme1]

I do not mind being called stupid call me whatever you like my Humility for His Truth.

 

[TosinAsLeader]

Young brother, i appreciate your logic in this, and your point is completely valid. But remember, that there is always a way of making your point without abusing people with words like "stupidity". For a 16 yr old though, your logic exceeds that of some others on this site. God bless you, whether you believe in Him or not!

Your right and thanks for the kind comment. I am a believer and G-d Bless You too!

 

[TosinAsLeader]

Heavenly Father does not want us to partake in abominable worship.

We are to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

The catholic church is not of Him.

It is deceiving you if you believe you can continue abominable things and Love Him.

Loving Him is doing what is pleasing to Him.

Do not let a religion come between you and your Creator.

Read the Bible from beginning to end for yourselves and learn of Him.

If you were talking to me, I have read the bible. However, you still haven't backed up your claims.

 

[7seven7]

Heavenly Father does not want us to partake in abominable worship.

We are to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

The catholic church is not of Him.

It is deceiving you if you believe you can continue abominable things and Love Him.

Loving Him is doing what is pleasing to Him.

Do not let a religion come between you and your Creator.

Read the Bible from beginning to end for yourselves and learn of Him.

But sister, just tell me what abominable things you are talking about so I can explain to you why we do them, and IF WE DO THEM AT ALL!! Why won't you give me a straight answer? You sound like you're brainwashed into saying only certain things.

And I have read the Bible from end to end twice last year and studying it still now and for the rest of my life. FYI

 

[loveme1]

You defend a religion that will keep you in darkness.

Seek the Truth.

 

[loveme1]

But sister, just tell me what abominable things you are talking about so I can explain to you why we do them, and IF WE DO THEM AT ALL!! Why won't you give me a straight answer? You sound like you're brainwashed into saying only certain things.

You will relay to me you reasons for partaking in abominable worship according to man.

The Bible is clear that it is not pleasing to the Living God.

brainwashed indeed.. though maybe not in the sense you mean

 

[7seven7]

You defend a religion that will keep you in darkness.

Seek the Truth.

OK thanks. Please pray for me. And I will pray for you too. Peace

 

[loveme1]

OK thanks. Please pray for me. And I will pray for you too. Peace

Okay, i will pray that you seek the Light that will lead you out of the darkness.

 

[loveme1]

Please note i never said i hated anyone of you.

 

[justamazed]

What IS "heresy"?

You'd be hard-pressed to find 2 on this site who are of like mind and judgement. Why, how is this possible if we ALL here claim to KNOW Jesus?

 

[Professor]

Check scripture: God puts the law in their hearts. If, having never heard the gospel, they follow their hearts, they will be saved. God's love is THAT AMAZING! Does this mean we ought not to share the gospel? Of course not. We are called to do this. But for those who never hear the gospel, by accident of birth, God would certainly not condemn to hell. This would be contrary to God's all loving nature. This, of course, is in my humble opinion, as a new child of God.

If they have never heard and believed they gospel, how can they be saved?

 

[7seven7]

Okay, i will pray that you seek the Light that will lead you out of the darkness.

Let me tell you something about me, sis. When I was in prison last year, Jesus showed Himself to me in an experience that I won't go into right now. But since then, the Holy Spirit has been working through me to do EXTRAORDINARY things with people that you would never EVER expect to love the Almighty God! Now, when I was saved in prison, my whole life turned around and I started living EVERY SECOND of my life for the Lord Jesus Christ, instead of living the life of drugs, guns and sex. When I turned my whole life around, I learned how to listen to God when He spoke to me. In prison I had a Seventh Day Adventist chaplain who almost had me convinced that the Catholic Church was evil, but I didnt have access to any sort of study equipment in there to see the Church's defence to all his claims, so naturally as a human being, all this information i was being fed (being the only info I had) started engraving itself in my mind. In the end, he asked me if I was ready to joing the "true church" (being the SDA church), and AS SOON AS HE SAID THAT, I Lord said to me "NO!" So I told the chaplain that this was alot to think about so I should just take a step back and think about it.

Now, sister, when I got out of prison, I had access to anything I wanted. So I began researching the Catholic Church's response to Jeff's claims and found EVERY ONE OF THEM to be manufactured to suit his accusations and to be a complete and utter lie. I haven't stopped searching. Don't forget that this guy had me convinced that the Catholic Church was evil!

About 6 weeks ago I had another dream (this is the first time i have even mentioned this to anyone) that confirmed to me the ABSOLUTE TRUTH in what I believe, and there is NO WAY that anyone can convince me that I am in darkness. My soul is at ease and my conscience is clear, and only the Lord can know how much I love Him and want Him and Thank Him!!! Don't ever say to anyone that they are in darkness when you quite clearly haven't got the SLIGHTEST CLUE what their faith consists of. I PRAY, THAT THE LORD SOFTENS YOUR HEART AND OPENS IT UP TO YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST! God Bless and Guide you!

 

[7seven7]

Check scripture: God puts the law in their hearts. If, having never heard the gospel, they follow their hearts, they will be saved. God's love is THAT AMAZING! Does this mean we ought not to share the gospel? Of course not. We are called to do this. But for those who never hear the gospel, by accident of birth, God would certainly not condemn to hell. This would be contrary to God's all loving nature. This, of course, is in my humble opinion, as a new child of God.

EXACTLY what I was trying to say before! God bless you! and hi lol

 

[loveme1]

Learn of God and you will know the Messiah and what He taught.

Jeremiah 44

44 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews which dwell in the land of Egypt, which dwell at Migdol, and at Tahpanhes, and at Noph, and in the country of Pathros, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherefore my fury and mine anger was poured forth, and was kindled in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; and they are wasted and desolate, as at this day.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore now thus saith the Lord, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; Wherefore commit ye this great evil against your souls, to cut off from you man and woman, child and suckling, out of Judah, to leave you none to remain;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]In that ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, whither ye be gone to dwell, that ye might cut yourselves off, and that ye might be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Have ye forgotten the wickedness of your fathers, and the wickedness of the kings of Judah, and the wickedness of their wives, and your own wickedness, and the wickedness of your wives, which they have committed in the land of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]They are not humbled even unto this day, neither have they feared, nor walked in my law, nor in my statutes, that I set before you and before your fathers.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, and to cut off all Judah.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will take the remnant of Judah, that have set their faces to go into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, and they shall all be consumed, and fall in the land of Egypt; they shall even be consumed by the sword and by the famine: they shall die, from the least even unto the greatest, by the sword and by the famine: and they shall be an execration, and an astonishment, and a curse, and a reproach.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For I will punish them that dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]So that none of the remnant of Judah, which are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall escape or remain, that they should return into the land of Judah, to the which they have a desire to return to dwell there: for none shall return but such as shall escape.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lordremember them, and came it not into his mind?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of theLord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the Lord, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord God liveth.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or their's.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life.

 

[Professor]

Praise God that He touched you in this way. You are my brother and I love you.
In Christ!

Let me tell you something about me, sis. When I was in prison last year, Jesus showed Himself to me in an experience that I won't go into right now. But since then, the Holy Spirit has been working through me to do EXTRAORDINARY things with people that you would never EVER expect to love the Almighty God! Now, when I was saved in prison, my whole life turned around and I started living EVERY SECOND of my life for the Lord Jesus Christ, instead of living the life of drugs, guns and sex. When I turned my whole life around, I learned how to listen to God when He spoke to me. In prison I had a Seventh Day Adventist chaplain who almost had me convinced that the Catholic Church was evil, but I didnt have access to any sort of study equipment in there to see the Church's defence to all his claims, so naturally as a human being, all this information i was being fed (being the only info I had) started engraving itself in my mind. In the end, he asked me if I was ready to joing the "true church" (being the SDA church), and AS SOON AS HE SAID THAT, I Lord said to me "NO!" So I told the chaplain that this was alot to think about so I should just take a step back and think about it.

Now, sister, when I got out of prison, I had access to anything I wanted. So I began researching the Catholic Church's response to Jeff's claims and found EVERY ONE OF THEM to be manufactured to suit his accusations and to be a complete and utter lie. I haven't stopped searching. Don't forget that this guy had me convinced that the Catholic Church was evil!

About 6 weeks ago I had another dream (this is the first time i have even mentioned this to anyone) that confirmed to me the ABSOLUTE TRUTH in what I believe, and there is NO WAY that anyone can convince me that I am in darkness. My soul is at ease and my conscience is clear, and only the Lord can know how much I love Him and want Him and Thank Him!!! Don't ever say to anyone that they are in darkness when you quite clearly haven't got the SLIGHTEST CLUE what their faith consists of. I PRAY, THAT THE LORD SOFTENS YOUR HEART AND OPENS IT UP TO YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST! God Bless and Guide you!

 

[loveme1]

If it were in your hearts you would not partake in things that are not pleasing to Heavenly Father.