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Ok, that's a good point. But the difference between them and us is this. Their leaders and history were manmade.
Um there leaders and history were Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Moses and Arron. all the prophets god gave them, and the words god put in scripture so they would know him and his ways.

they turned to leaders and history outside of Gods word. thats what got them in trouble.


Our leaders and history began at the time of Christ. All our leaders and history teach us about is Christ. He doesn't go against us, nor we against Him. We follow His teachings. The Jews can't be compared to us in this way.
they said the exact same thing to Christ and the apostles.. starting to see a pattern here??

And we never said that the Bible is incomplete. But it is not the sole rule of faith! It's really as simple as that. It doesn't even claim to be, which if you are to go off sola scriptura, you would have to find where it says that, because all your beliefs come from It! Do you see my point? Please don't misinterpret my comment. I believe that the Bible is the most important thing in my faith, just not the ONLY important thing. St. Paul passed his traditions on to his followers, and asked them to stick to them, and praised them for doing so. Man, it's all in there.
the traditions peter spoke of were eventually placed in the word of God. so no one could question them.

Jesus used scripture alone as did the apostles when it came to the gospel (means of salvation)

we should follow their example.
 
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this too.. They don;t want to hang out with christian friends, because then I have to be something i am not. or miss out on the things I want.

when we should want these things..
Just because you have Christian friends, doesn't make you anymore righteous. Don't forget the word "Christian," is clearly undefined and used lightly! To be honest, I have non-christian friends and they are very nice compared to most of my "Christian," friends.
 
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yes, in reality it was us who crucified him, as he had to come take our sin on his body so we could be set free.

My point was. They hated him because he went against their man made history, their manmade laws, their manmade philosophy. their man made leaders etc etc..

What did he fight them with?? The word of God (scripture) same as did the apostles. should we take their example? or risk falling into the example of the jews,

Ask ourselves this. Did God leave us a book which is incomplete? if he did. why?
Why is the quote in my name? I didn't quote that.....
 
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Brother, I understand they had it easier to do this then we do. But I have found a church where we do it. I am sure not as much as they did. But I know my brothers and sisters in my small little home group in a personal level. And are with them as much as I can.. Church service is but a small amount of our fellowship.. (not saying the least important, i would be wrong) just saying we do it.

people who can, will.. in my experience. most do not want to. because it would expose our sin and weakness. We do not want the church to know how bad we really are.. so we play the church game..
Thats awesome. You're truly blessed. I lost HEAPS AND HEAPS of mates after getting saved, and I didn't mind that one bit. And I have made HEAPS AND HEAPS of beautiful friends in Christ since. I don't by any means play the Church game. Alot do, but not me or many of my Catholic and non-Catholic friends. I also praise and worship God at other Protestant Churches when I get invited because I get something else from there too, and I love spending time with all my brothers and sisters. If I tried hard enough, brother, I could have that fellowship you have, in the Catholic Church too. And I do have that personal relationship with other Christians. Just not as much as I think I understood you to have it. There is a priest, Fr. John Michael Talbot (you might have heard some of his songs) who just started a small community for people to live in and fellowship just like you were saying. It's there in America somewhere. What a dream that would be.
 
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Ok, so we don't trust even our best friends now?
Without Guidance from Gods word no. Are you best friends inspired by God and unable to place their own personal views into gods word. even if they are wrong?

paul thought the church at barea where more fair minded, as they did not believe him blindly but searched the scripture daily to prove what he said was true. should we not do the same? or should we search for outside sources which are not inspired to prove things?

I am making a mistake by believing proven facts? OK, so you won't believe this meteorite that hit Russia a month ago. The news is lying, don't trust them!
Um, is that going to get you to heaven? we are talking about the gospel here. and other doctrines. not the news..
I think I remember now why I dislike the word, "Christian." Please can you interpreted what you are trying to say to me? I trust His word also, it is my truth. You can't just disregard someone else because they are human (take into thought that I mean to not follow them spiritually.)

it is when you follow them blindly because they say listen to me that we have issue. God said to test all things, to see if they are from god or not. How do we test? history? or the inspired word of God?



Our sin crucified Holy Yeshua. What you and I did on the internet, or at school or wherever, that is why he died. The Jews had to killed him (in literal sense) to fulfill prophecy. If he didn't die for our sins, we would be condemned.
yes we would. But that still does not show why they did it. they did it because they were blinded by the words of men, and ignored or misinterpreted the words of their fathers. inspired by God, written on the scrolls of scripture.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thats awesome. You're truly blessed. I lost HEAPS AND HEAPS of mates after getting saved, and I didn't mind that one bit. And I have made HEAPS AND HEAPS of beautiful friends in Christ since. I don't by any means play the Church game. Alot do, but not me or many of my Catholic and non-Catholic friends. I also praise and worship God at other Protestant Churches when I get invited because I get something else from there too, and I love spending time with all my brothers and sisters. If I tried hard enough, brother, I could have that fellowship you have, in the Catholic Church too. And I do have that personal relationship with other Christians. Just not as much as I think I understood you to have it. There is a priest, Fr. John Michael Talbot (you might have heard some of his songs) who just started a small community for people to live in and fellowship just like you were saying. It's there in America somewhere. What a dream that would be.

many churches are moving to it. In these days and ages we need it. for I fear the tribulation against us is just starting..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Just because you have Christian friends, doesn't make you anymore righteous. Don't forget the word "Christian," is clearly undefined and used lightly! To be honest, I have non-christian friends and they are very nice compared to most of my "Christian," friends.
lol.. nice way to twist my words.

My point was I can't hide sins, I will be confronted of my sin because I am out there letting my life be an open book. Not hiding in my home, and playing church.
 
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many churches are moving to it. In these days and ages we need it. for I fear the tribulation against us is just starting..
I fear you might be right. But remember, "the gates of Hades will not prevail," although I think we have to be prepared in our faith for some pretty turbulent times. God bless. I'm going to bed. Gotta get up in 3 hours ARRRGHHHH
 

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If only everyone's new life was as strong as your's in their faith in Him brother, then i would agree with you 100%. Some say that "all you have to do is say I believe in Christ as our saviour" and you're saved, not realising (i don't think) what true realization of Christ is, and misleading alot of people into thinking that these words alone is all that is needed. I do agree with you, 100%, when you say that your new life had caused your old life to be forsaken, because I experience the exact same thing, where EVERY DECISION I make now is made in the name of Christ. You and I, I think, have truly experienced Christ in our lives and have true faith in Him. But again, alot of people are misled into thinking that true faith in Him is only in words. The way we live our lives reflects how much we love and know God, in every decision we make, from speaking a word, to driving a car, to the thoughts we allow to enter in to our minds!!
Howard, brother, I can't argue every comment you leave, simply because your wisdom is at a level that I can only look forward to reaching. But I will promise you that I will read, watch and pray for the Lord to show me if I am doing anything wrong, or that He will give an answer that He wants me to give you. God bless you and continue to guide you as you allow that wisdom to be seen.
Thank you Charlie, and I am no better than anyone else,only God himself is perfectand God I founf offers this perfection of him to the ones that believe through his Son Jesus Christ, if only we wll believe we will receive. Yes it is more than word for the word came to life Brother and I am not saying you are wrong, you are definately on the Journey and I am thankful to see this. I found that when I went through religion another denomination and learnt what I learnt I today count it as all Joy for I would not know what God was teaching me without that experience, so no regrets.
I learned to quit at being religous for me when I was in religion I was trying to please others and God by what I was doing and feeling guilty by what I was not doing. Then I heard this Howard do you really think that I am going to respond to you by what you are doing or not doing, by being right or wrong? Do you really think I will bless you more or less by your behavior?
I said yes of coarse and then I Heard this what I was doing was none other than the way of the world, I was continuing on after belief in positive and negative reinforcement trying to do good so I would be blessed and doing my best from being bad so I would not be damned or as in my thoughts at that time so that God would not turn his back in a swivel chair sayin I didn't know you were going to do that, or taking pepto-bismal that I must be making him sick to his stonmache giving God a Stomache-ache, but it sure was giving me one.
Then I heard this, if I (GOD) ever respond to you by what you are doing right or wrong, punishment or blessing I (GOD) would be a Liar. I told you that my Son Died for you once and for all. He took all punishment of sin out of the way so through him I(God) can give you life, for Sin caused death period and you were dead already in Sin before you came to beleif, and when you come to beleif it is to see your death becausae of Sin, and receive from my Son thedeath peanalty of Sin paid in full. That is when one comes to life a new life in my Spirit, I (GOD) place this new life in you right then as soon as oyu see this it is done Just as my Son said it and then gave up the Ghost and died for not only you Howard but for the whole world. I said okay Daddy, Father what then do I do?

I heard beconme a responder instead of an initiator, respond to me (GOD) trust me in all things, and oyu will see that I (GOD) am the initiator. THat I am the creation and that God is the creator and that everything that Jesus did was always pointing to God the creator. So that Day I decided to finalize the cross and beleive God I am forgiven even before I was ever born here on earth, back at the cross where the whole world has been forgiven by Christ's death, that is when I asked for new life in the Spirit of God being born again and this is what happened as I see this in you Charlie God shed his LOVE abroad in our hearts and this type of love is unnatural for mankind to have and shed abroad to all others forthe cup overfloweth as in 1 Cor 13 this is the type of LOVE that God desires for us all to have and spread abroad, since has no condemnation for us because of his Son at the cross we are to have no condemantion either, but because most not all do not beleive that they can be dead in the flesh here and now they as I did ride the fence, when they could start to believe reckon they are dead to sin by belief in God and what he did at the cross, and then come to life in him as
Romans 6:11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Next do you see that past tense Scripture below

Revelation 1:5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
In the Love of GOD to all reading this and will come to life
 

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Scripture does say... there will be tares amidst the wheat :). Fact is... there's some tares on CC :eek:
Tares are not necessarrily bad for we are to let both grow together and this is all over the world for each of us to decide what is good for each of us between God and us, we are to relate to each other as you did here and thank you for that good Food
 

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@7 Where does it say in scripture, that scripture is the sole rule of faith? Not saying its not important, just asking.

Matt Slick explains tradition verses scripture very well in the link below, here is a short extract:

"The Bible is for tradition where it supports the teachings of the apostles (2 Thess. 2:15) and is consistent with biblical revelation. Yet, it is against tradition when it "transgresses the commands of God" (Matt. 15:3). By Jesus' own words, tradition is not to transgress or contradict the commands of God. In other words, it should be in harmony with biblical teaching and not oppose it in any way."

Roman Catholicism, the Bible, and Tradition | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
 
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I fear you might be right. But remember, "the gates of Hades will not prevail," although I think we have to be prepared in our faith for some pretty turbulent times. God bless. I'm going to bed. Gotta get up in 3 hours ARRRGHHHH
true. but remember bro. a gate is a defensive tool not an offensive.. It does not mean the church will not be persecuted in a sever way, but that Gods message will not stop getting out. it will enter enemy territory, even if those taking it into enemy territory get killed in the process. which happens alot..

Have a good rest.. god bless.
 
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Um there leaders and history were Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Moses and Arron. all the prophets god gave them, and the words god put in scripture so they would know him and his ways.

they turned to leaders and history outside of Gods word. thats what got them in trouble.




they said the exact same thing to Christ and the apostles.. starting to see a pattern here??



the traditions peter spoke of were eventually placed in the word of God. so no one could question them.

Jesus used scripture alone as did the apostles when it came to the gospel (means of salvation)

we should follow their example.
I will reply to you on this tomorrow, brother. Or maybe Thursday. I have a feeling I'm probably going to fall asleep on the way home from work tomorrow lol.
 
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true. but remember bro. a gate is a defensive tool not an offensive.. It does not mean the church will not be persecuted in a sever way, but that Gods message will not stop getting out. it will enter enemy territory, even if those taking it into enemy territory get killed in the process. which happens alot..

Have a good rest.. god bless.
Yep, exactly what I meant by turbulant times :) Gnight!! God bless
 

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People often believe faith in God is completely personal but if you read the Bible, you'll find it regularly talks about faith as a community. There's too much emphasis on the individual. It's not healthy.
The problem is there is no
Ephesians 1:10to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.
And do not we allneed this no matter what congregation we go to
Ephesians 4:13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Did not Paul warn of us of this to the Corinhians
1 Corinthians 11:18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.
So can't we all agree to disagree and let each of us learn with no condemnations, ofr as a man believes if this is wrong or that is wrong then to him it is right and lets not destroy each other okay?
Romans 9:33As it is written: “See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
Romans 15:21Rather, as it is written: “Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand.”
Hebrews 11:6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
So are we all earnestly seeking God?
 
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well you just proved me right. I do not understand what you point was.


REQUOTE: "How do you know Peter denied him three times?"

What on earth are you talking about. Read what you said and what I said in response. I know because the bible said so.


Sure, which is the bible. However, your logic is failing. The way you put your point in a sense, brought contradiction to what you believe.



Of course not. I just strongly disagree with your point. If we can't trust St.Augustine:
1. We can't trust our Historians.
2.We can't trust our Archeologist
3. We can't trust our Philosophers
4. We can't trust our Teachers
5. We can't trust G-d.

Of course we can trust G-d, your point should be reanalyzed. That is all I am saying.

P.S. If you said that to an Evolutionist, you would have got slammed down hard.


Yes be at peace with all men as much as possible, for Paul became like them that he might when a few to Christ HMMM!!!!!
 

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this too.. They don;t want to hang out with christian friends, because then I have to be something i am not. or miss out on the things I want.

when we should want these things..
And this is become of the world system of being focused on sin and that one needs to beleive and quit sin. When in reality Christ took it all away and buried it at the cross, and our consciences can't be puirged from sin and be in the new Life as we are meant to
Hebrews 1:3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Hebrews 9:14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Too much focus on whether one sins or not is keeping the believer in sin instead of beiing removed as what is the crossia all about first removal of, then new life here and now with a new mindset from God almighty thanks Father, thanks Christ and praises unto you Father