Homosexuality isn't sin

[Pheonix]

so it's a sin yeah, but are we the ones who should tell other people what they can and cannot do? no! we let non-believers get married in church right? is that any better? just because what they're doing is "natural"?! murderers are allowed to marry! if a gay couple wants to marry, I'd say let them, but also let them know that what they're doing is wrong and why. HELP them instead of judging them! that's how we do it with other people in sin.
the rest is between them and god.

I know it's a bunch of crap, I just think it's so unfair to gay people. "you're gay? congratulations, you're not allowed to be in a relationship or get married or anything. you have to die a virgin. all this because you happened to be born this way." good luck being a christian.

I hate to say this and you are more than likely to dismiss this simply because it disagrees with you, but you are playing the part of Satan in the Garden. He asked Eve, "Hath God really said?" That is precisely what you are asking us. Not in so many words perhaps, but that is the gist of what you are asking. We have provided proof of God's word from his Word on the subject and you are arguing with it. It has nothing to do with fair. It has to do with what God has said. He has said it is wrong and immoral. In several places he calls it abomination. That is the last word, from God, on the subject.

unless of course you are denying God and his commandments.

All this of course doesn't mean God doesn't love homosexuals nor does he deny them salvation. The must cease that activity though if they are to live a pleasing and God fearing life.

 

[livingbygrace]

So if we are not under the law..and homosexuality is "no longer a problem". I guess it won't be a problem for me to lie, murder and fornicate...because I'm not under the law and so as I get it from your point of few...those aren't sins anymore...

Romans 6

1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.


The fulfillment of Christ is not about that the whole law is just put away. Jesus Himself said: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (matthew 5)



The law is not put away, it's still in it's right. But because of the new covenant we are not under the curse of the law. But sin is still sin. Sin was measurable through looking at the law so....but the law itself could not fulfill what God wanted to put in us. We could not keep the law. Therefore God gave His son so we could be save and live through the Spirit. But the Spirit is one with God and God made the law...and the rules of the law bring life, just not eternal life.

So you have to understand the transformation of the purpose of the law. To say simply that nothing is a sin anymore is ridiculous because the new testament still talks about sin and how people get lost in it.



Don't look at me, I didn't say it. God did. But you know I do not believe we should point our fingers at homosexuals because they are that way. Everybody sins and nobody is perfect. I do think that when a homosexual man becomes a christian he should ask God about this question. But I don't think homosexuals are more sinners than other people. It's just more obvious, but we all have something to work on in our life. Even when it's the tiniest thing. But we need to follow Jesus step by step and strive to be just like Him.



So that's what I gotta say about it. Hopefully gave you some more vision on the subject. I don't wanna condemn anyone, so don't get me wrong. (I'm in fashion school and a lot of my fellow male students are homosexuals) But I don't wanna deny Gods word either. Just here to help! Ask God about the question.


All in the love of Christ,


recordingsound

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphoild the law Rom3:31

Paul was the preacher of grace who taught us that we are not under the law. But you cannot take his words for that when it suits you and ignore other words he spoke. He was adamant homosexual activity will not allow someone to enter Heaven. As Paul was so Spirit filled, anyone with the Holy Spirit in them would have to agree with Paul, and you cannot be a Christian if the Spirit is not in you, and there is only one Spirit and He does not change His mind

 

[dane]

I hate to say this and you are more than likely to dismiss this simply because it disagrees with you, but you are playing the part of Satan in the Garden. He asked Eve, "Hath God really said?" That is precisely what you are asking us. Not in so many words perhaps, but that is the gist of what you are asking. We have provided proof of God's word from his Word on the subject and you are arguing with it. It has nothing to do with fair. It has to do with what God has said. He has said it is wrong and immoral. In several places he calls it abomination. That is the last word, from God, on the subject.

unless of course you are denying God and his commandments.

All this of course doesn't mean God doesn't love homosexuals nor does he deny them salvation. The must cease that activity though if they are to live a pleasing and God fearing life.

hahah, I'm not questioning what God has said. I know it's wrong for gay people to marry. I am saying who are WE to FORBID these people marriage? it's like playing God, in my opinion. but yeah it's impossible really to let them marry in church, the whole marriage ritual is designed for a man and a woman.

people tend to be very quick with judging gay people. and why shouldn't they, it's so easy when you're straight.

what is your opinion on letting non-believers marry in church?

 

[beta7]

The Bible says homosexuality is sin, so it is. Read Romans 1 vs. 21-32. Stop trying to convince yourself that its okay because you refuse to do what is right. People weren't born that way, they simply nurtured the desire to be queer. If you truly want deliverance just ask God for help.

 

[phil36]

The problem with gays being given permission to marry also has a detrimental effect on society. theres the problem.

Phil

 

[1still_waters]

I think we have a case of low hangin fruit here folks. Someone resurrected this thread that hadn't been posted to in a week. I think the consensus is that it's clearly wrong

 

[Pheonix]

hahah, I'm not questioning what God has said. I know it's wrong for gay people to marry. I am saying who are WE to FORBID these people marriage? it's like playing God, in my opinion. but yeah it's impossible really to let them marry in church, the whole marriage ritual is designed for a man and a woman.

people tend to be very quick with judging gay people. and why shouldn't they, it's so easy when you're straight.

what is your opinion on letting non-believers marry in church?

Non-believers get married in the church because they think that doing so will get God on their side, and that he will negate whatever they've done previously. Its a feel good thing to salve their consience. That's why usually after a few years they are running around or have gotten a divorce. The warm and fuzzy feelings lasted about as long as the ceremony. Its not the church that puts God on your side, its you getting on God's side.

Just because people go through the motions doesn't mean they get anything from it. Personally I feel that if you don't believe in God on any other occasion than christmas and easter, then what's the point of getting married in a church.

Other than that, God hasn't forbidden unblievers from getting married in a church or otherwise. He has forbidden homosexuality. Just as he's forbidden extramarital affairs between heterosexual people.

 

[ProudLibertarian]

The problem with gays being given permission to marry also has a detrimental effect on society. theres the problem.

Phil

I fail to see how allowing homosexuals to get married is a detriment. It isn't gonna effect me one iota if the homosexual couple down the street decide to walk down the isle to make a formal commitment. They are already living together, why should I care if they get married?

I don't understand why you fundamentalists are so adamant in your opposition to homosexuality? What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of your business. It's between them and God.

It's sad. A child rapist would be more welcomed in a modern day protestant church than a homosexual! In fact, I know of an anti-gay southern baptist church with a sex offender serving as a deacon!!!!

 

[dane_g87]

Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5. People who practice immoral behavior, which would include homosexuality, are to be excommunicated from the church. Therefore, who are we to forbid homosexuals to marry in the church? The very church that God has ordained with the authority to rid ourselves from unrepentant immoral impostors. If Paul commands us to excommunicate unrepentant immoral people claiming to be Christian...then are you not in direct disobedience to allow them to marry in the church, let alone remain in the church?

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”


(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Grace2010]

Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5. People who practice immoral behavior, which would include homosexuality, are to be excommunicated from the church. Therefore, who are we to forbid homosexuals to marry in the church? The very church that God has ordained with the authority to rid ourselves from unrepentant immoral impostors. If Paul commands us to excommunicate unrepentant immoral people claiming to be Christian...then are you not in direct disobedience to allow them to marry in the church, let alone remain in the church?

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”


(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

I hope you didn't mean that as a blanket statement. How many millions of believers have fit any of those titles?

Anyone without Christ will go to hell, no? So it doesn't matter if they lied once in their life or murdered forty-three people.

Yet we know a forgiven thief inherited the kingdom of God. How many Christians have done the things above and been forgiven, hmm? Or struggle still.