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Since someone brought up gay marriage, I personally do not agree with it but I still believe that is their constitutional right whether I like it or not. Let's not forget that sharia laws are based on religion as well. Now this is when people say that I'm not a real Christian and so on and so forth. However I'm just mature enough to understand that Christians are not the only people who have rights in this country and that other people are not obligated to believe as I do
I try to maintain dignity and respect, and respond politely,
Saying:
I know you are, but what am I?
OR
I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say
bounces off of me and sticks to you.
If that doesn't work, sometimes
I try a more dignified approach :
Put your thumbs in your ears, wave your fingers at them,
stick your tongue out, and make f^rting sounds.
But in all seriousnessly...
Simply let them know that because Jesus' love
for you is so awesome and powerful, you would never
even think of giving your allegiance to any other god,
and that you're not being bigoted to what they believe in,
it's just that you know the way of your risen Lord and Savior
is so much greater than anything they could imagine, and He
loves them too, and the invitation is open to all, including them,
and ask them if they would like to know Jesus and God's love.
Then, depending on their answer,
either pray with them or for them.
Saying:
I know you are, but what am I?
OR
I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say
bounces off of me and sticks to you.
If that doesn't work, sometimes
I try a more dignified approach :
Put your thumbs in your ears, wave your fingers at them,
stick your tongue out, and make f^rting sounds.
But in all seriousnessly...
Simply let them know that because Jesus' love
for you is so awesome and powerful, you would never
even think of giving your allegiance to any other god,
and that you're not being bigoted to what they believe in,
it's just that you know the way of your risen Lord and Savior
is so much greater than anything they could imagine, and He
loves them too, and the invitation is open to all, including them,
and ask them if they would like to know Jesus and God's love.
Then, depending on their answer,
either pray with them or for them.
T
You do realise America was founded on Judeo/Christian values, if not always beliefs, don't you? Gay marriage is not only against God, it's against your very Constitution! And human rights of any kind also find their foundation in the Judeo-Christian faiths. So really, America is self-sabotaging itself.
U
While the constitution does not expressly state against sodomy, thomas jefferson the author of it tried to pass a law:
Three years later, Jefferson drafted a bill concerning Virginia’s criminal law providing that the penalty for sodomy should be castration. See Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew A. Lipscomb, ed. (Washington, Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904) Vol. I, pp.226-27, from Jefferson’s “For Proportioning Crimes and Punishments.”
The bill read: “Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least.” (Virginia Bill number 64; authored by Jefferson; 18 June 1779)(Emphasis added.)
When the Constitution was ratified, a majority of the states (New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Connecticut, Virginia, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New Jersey) provided the death penalty for those who committed sodomy. All states prohibited it. [Except Georgia -Bob]
The Constitution Does Not Permit Polygamy or Same-Sex Marriage
and up until about 1962 sodomy was a felony in most states....boy how times have changed ..for the worse....
Three years later, Jefferson drafted a bill concerning Virginia’s criminal law providing that the penalty for sodomy should be castration. See Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew A. Lipscomb, ed. (Washington, Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904) Vol. I, pp.226-27, from Jefferson’s “For Proportioning Crimes and Punishments.”
The bill read: “Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least.” (Virginia Bill number 64; authored by Jefferson; 18 June 1779)(Emphasis added.)
When the Constitution was ratified, a majority of the states (New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Connecticut, Virginia, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New Jersey) provided the death penalty for those who committed sodomy. All states prohibited it. [Except Georgia -Bob]
The Constitution Does Not Permit Polygamy or Same-Sex Marriage
and up until about 1962 sodomy was a felony in most states....boy how times have changed ..for the worse....
(A) Thanks for an actual historical source. This is a rare occurrence in internet debate.
(B) Why think that Thomas Jefferson is correct in this case? Arguments that are used that stem from Thomas Jefferson should be used because that are correct, not simply because they are made by Thomas Jefferson. We could point to Jefferson's behavior as an analogy as well (ie, he seems to have slept with his slaves). Clearly we shouldn't follow Jefferson's behavior simple because Jefferson did it. We should follow Jefferson's behavior insofar as it was correct.
(B) Why think that Thomas Jefferson is correct in this case? Arguments that are used that stem from Thomas Jefferson should be used because that are correct, not simply because they are made by Thomas Jefferson. We could point to Jefferson's behavior as an analogy as well (ie, he seems to have slept with his slaves). Clearly we shouldn't follow Jefferson's behavior simple because Jefferson did it. We should follow Jefferson's behavior insofar as it was correct.
Yeah, its like what was once considered a shame, is now celebrated with these huge parades (in respects to "homosexual pride" or "gay pride" as it is more commonly called). Which just seems more like celebrating sodomization, or preferring it since its a sexuality parade. Probably more on the mens part on that, but some might find it difficult to watch these men in tutu marches.
U
a. No problem! 
I like to use facts not opinions as much as possible.
b. I was just showing that back in the day they thought of these laws and considered adding them to the constitution and that most states even without an official law prohibited sodomy on the state side.....
I'm not a constitutionalist per se because T Jefferson was a hypocrite in many ways and also a freemason...and I get what you're trying to say that some of his concepts were good ideas and we should stick with those but not look up to TJ as some immaculate person because he wasn't (like you cited slaves etc)...and I have to agree with you on that...
I like to use facts not opinions as much as possible.b. I was just showing that back in the day they thought of these laws and considered adding them to the constitution and that most states even without an official law prohibited sodomy on the state side.....
I'm not a constitutionalist per se because T Jefferson was a hypocrite in many ways and also a freemason...and I get what you're trying to say that some of his concepts were good ideas and we should stick with those but not look up to TJ as some immaculate person because he wasn't (like you cited slaves etc)...and I have to agree with you on that...
U
If it's outside of the western countries...in the old days they would beat the poop out of them and "straighten" them out ....with some batons to the back, and they would get their clothing on fast lol...it would be the last protest you ever saw of "gay pride" but sadly even here in my country they are becoming more accepting of it calling "transgenders" "divine from the hindu perspective....when about 10-15 yrs ago they would beat them up if they tried crap like this...but now they have protests and marches here too....despicable how the homo elite who control the world force their propaganda on the whole world all for population control..b/c homosexuality does not lead to more babies....which reduces the population...
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79 countries where homosexuality is illegal | 76 CRIMES
Interesting map of where homosexuality is still viewed as immoral....
Interesting map of where homosexuality is still viewed as immoral....
C
Yes I heard someone say it once that christians were bigots for believing Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. It was an angry ex christian who said the exact same thing the other way around. Can't remember how he said it but I made a joke about it to show him he did.
We also need wisdom. I don't say I'm against gay marriage to a married gay person who's atheist and interested in God. We once had a lesbian couple in church. The preaching was about Jesus loving outcasts. They said they loved it. That's not the first thing you say to someone. There was a couple living together. That's normal here. They got saved. Preacher said: What you have is good but it's better when you marry. Then later the Holy Spirit convinced them Himself.
Paul to those people with those horrible false gods: I see that you are very religious.
We also need wisdom. I don't say I'm against gay marriage to a married gay person who's atheist and interested in God. We once had a lesbian couple in church. The preaching was about Jesus loving outcasts. They said they loved it. That's not the first thing you say to someone. There was a couple living together. That's normal here. They got saved. Preacher said: What you have is good but it's better when you marry. Then later the Holy Spirit convinced them Himself.
Paul to those people with those horrible false gods: I see that you are very religious.
D
Could be because you just wanted to go to her house to do your duty ("give my neighbor the gospel"), instead of be a neighbor first.
I still get annoyed by people who give me the gospel before they find out if I want to hear it, or even if I don't already have it. If you don't have time to get to know me first, don't have time to preach at me.
Good news. I wouldn't have screamed at you.
Bad news. You'd never come to dinner either.
I still get annoyed by people who give me the gospel before they find out if I want to hear it, or even if I don't already have it. If you don't have time to get to know me first, don't have time to preach at me.
Good news. I wouldn't have screamed at you.
Bad news. You'd never come to dinner either.
C
Why so unfriendly? I'd say the God that answers by fire let Him be God.
Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;*23*for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you
One guy found out that Jesus is God in the Kuran. Lots of muslims are getting visions from Jesus because people pray for them.
My brother saw Jesus when he was doing Zen meditation.
They're blind. First pray that their eyes will open and bind the strong man, otherwise evangelizing is useless.
Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;*23*for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you
One guy found out that Jesus is God in the Kuran. Lots of muslims are getting visions from Jesus because people pray for them.
My brother saw Jesus when he was doing Zen meditation.
They're blind. First pray that their eyes will open and bind the strong man, otherwise evangelizing is useless.
You kindly explain to them that 1+1=2 and you holding to that mathematical truth is not bigotry. VVhen you have the truth it is not narrow mindedness or intolerance to put it forth. Its fact. In the same way, you can share the Gospel with love (I.e, with tolerance and no condemnation/hate speech) and reveal to them the truth.
Now, if your tone in preaching the Gospel is anything like Youtube soapbox street preachers, I cannot blame them for calling you a bigot. They are. They don't extend Christ's love but only express their anger, religious legalism, and condemnation.
Notice Jesus didn't condemn the woman caught in adultery before He told her to sin no more? It is God's goodness that leads men to repentance. It is when we are under grace that sin doesn't dominate us. Yet street preachers would tell people to stop sinning, as if they could. They need Jesus, not condemnation and some type of self-righteous presentation.
Now, if your tone in preaching the Gospel is anything like Youtube soapbox street preachers, I cannot blame them for calling you a bigot. They are. They don't extend Christ's love but only express their anger, religious legalism, and condemnation.
Notice Jesus didn't condemn the woman caught in adultery before He told her to sin no more? It is God's goodness that leads men to repentance. It is when we are under grace that sin doesn't dominate us. Yet street preachers would tell people to stop sinning, as if they could. They need Jesus, not condemnation and some type of self-righteous presentation.
I am friendly enough, but we can never ever accept their evil religions as equals. That is the very poison of secularism. Their demonic religions are not equal to our true religion of Christianity, and they never ever will be. If that makes us bigots, so be it, I'll gladly be bigoted against the demon worshippers.
Jesus isn't in the Koran, the Koran is another false gospel given by a faux-angel (probably satan) to Mahomet. I'd highly question anything to do with Buddhist witchcraft, that whole false religion is full of demonry starting with Siddartha. Throw them out and choppity chop chop their evil idols, false religion, and heresies to the ground.
Galatians 4:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Jesus isn't in the Koran, the Koran is another false gospel given by a faux-angel (probably satan) to Mahomet. I'd highly question anything to do with Buddhist witchcraft, that whole false religion is full of demonry starting with Siddartha. Throw them out and choppity chop chop their evil idols, false religion, and heresies to the ground.
Galatians 4:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
D
If he came to your house to sell you something you believed was immoral, is this how you would expect to be treated?
Everyone here is so busy protecting what we think is Christianity we're not noticing the original problem. If a JW came to your door with this same approach, would you're reactions be the same? He treated her like a duty, not like a human. Like someone to be marketed to, not a neighbor. I do get the woman took it too far, but, man alive! What do you do when the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons come to your door? What would you do when you realize he/she was a NEIGHBOR? Does your same advice work then?
I'm seeing "toxic waste" right here on this thread and she's not here.
Everyone here is so busy protecting what we think is Christianity we're not noticing the original problem. If a JW came to your door with this same approach, would you're reactions be the same? He treated her like a duty, not like a human. Like someone to be marketed to, not a neighbor. I do get the woman took it too far, but, man alive! What do you do when the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons come to your door? What would you do when you realize he/she was a NEIGHBOR? Does your same advice work then?
I'm seeing "toxic waste" right here on this thread and she's not here.