How do you know you got it right?

Laodicea · Feb 8, 2012

It is impossible to be saved by our works, God's Law demands perfection. It only took one little sin for Adam & Eve to be kicked out of the garden of Eden. Christ lived a perfect life for us which is transferred to our life when we give our life to Him.

Islam teach salvation by works along with others but, when is a persons works good enough?

CanadaNZ · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

No other belief system makes the same claims as Christianity! If you think this then you are studying the bible wrong.

Christianity is NOT about following rules, we CANNOT do anything to be good enough for God.
Christianity is about faith, you must believe that Jesus came to this earth and died on the cross for our sins and after 3 days rose from the dead, conquering sin and death.
What rules/commands we follow is (and should be) out of love for our God and Saviour.

No other religion is based on God coming to save us, the awesome truth of Christianity is that though we cannot be good enough for God, but He loved us enough to come to this earth, take on human form and die for us.

CanadaNZ · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

If you studied your history you would be amazed how much actual proof there is for what the bible says. Also I don't know if you know this, but there has never been an archaeological find that has disputed what the bible says, ever. Also, unlike other religions the Gospels were written while there were thousands of hostile Jewish witnesses still alive that could have disputed what they claimed happened, but they didn't/couldn't and the few excuses/arguments were a joke. There is so much proof out there people just don't want to see it.

CanadaNZ · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

Many people who claim to be christian are likely not really such. Islam is meant to be a peaceful religion, but you have the violent extremists that twist the koran, the same is true with the bible. People will twist things for their own purposes, that does not make what they claim true.

Avinu · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Durian, I've noticed you haven't answered my last two posts to you. I would really like your answers in them. Or are we done talking? Shalom

greatblue · Feb 8, 2012

CanadaNZ said:

This post really struck a chord in me. The path of Christ is incredibly narrow, yet many claim to be following it. Is there another religion that allows so many to travel along the path, but fully aware that it may be to their own destruction? So yeah, the grace of God through Jesus Christ can save me from my sins.

Consider Matthew 7: 21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

So within the religion of christianity itself we have the question, "How do you know you got it right?" That's a pretty HUGE reality considering that as a "religion" christianity makes up about 1/3 of the world.

I just listened to this series from John MacArthur circa 1980 -- confronting as always. http://www.gty.org/products/audio-series/27

Saul_Durian · Feb 8, 2012

Avinu said:

That isn't exactly what he said, I believe it is book 18 of Antiquities that says "those who had loved him at first did not forsake him, for he appeared to alive again on the third day." There are some problems with this. 1) he is talking about people's claims, it is arguable if he is actually speaking of historical fact. 2) there have been serious charges that these text were altered by early Christians. I do believe that Jesus did exist, and was a great teacher. I am not even arguing against him being the son of God.

Avinu said:

The destruction of Tyre, How about the Nile drying up? Or how about Egypt being destroyed? And the Damascus thing, where exactly say that will happen in the last days? I understand that is a common argument, but where in the Bible does it say that? Not poking, if it is there, I honestly don't recall.

Avinu said:

Hinduism is the oldest religion. That is widely excepted by historical scholars.

Avinu said:

I never claimed that other religions are right. I never claimed that the Bible is wrong. But to say there are no contradictions in it is a stretch. People simply don't except them.

Avinu said:

People who know me on here know where and when I went to school, and what my experience is. I am not going to get into a debate about my character, my credentials or my education. To be frank, I could say whatever I wanted...but it serves no purpose. This is simply an attempt to undermine me. If you don't approve of the amount of school or where my education was, you will dismiss it. If you think my claim is worthy of consideration, you will say I am lying. I have done this before. No thanks.

Trax · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

The only prophecies that haven't happened, will happen. All others have happen.
A sign from God to this generation is the nation of Israel. He said He would establish
them a nation again. He did. They are there. Its on your TV daily, in the news.
You can't deny it. The whole Middle East is focused on them. You can't get a bigger, more obvious sign than this.

Only the Bible has Messianic prophecies. The whole point of God creating the nation of
Israel was to bring the Messiah. God chose Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, then the
tribe of Judah, family of David.

I think God said it best when He said:
Isa 46:8-13 "Remember this, and be assured; Recall it to mind, you transgressors. (9) "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, (10) Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; (11) Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it. (12) "Listen to Me, you stubborn-minded, Who are far from righteousness. (13) "I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off; And My salvation will not delay. And I will grant salvation in Zion, And My glory for Israel.

Trax · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

The Bible is the most accurate piece of literature in the world. Nothing even comes close
to it. The internal, external, and bibliography info surpasses all ancient literature.

Listen, here's the deal. I have seen the stuff you posted, by others, 20 years ago.
Your posts clearly shows a person who has not done one bit of research. None what so
ever. To even question the accuracy of the Bible is like rasing a red flag that reads, "I'm posting info I found on a web site, without checking it out." Because that is where it begins.
Some individual, comes across a website, that bashes the Bible and Christianity, with made up
stuff, and this individual accepts it as truth. This same individual begins to think that these
Christians probably haven't heard this wonderful truth about the Bible and themselves, I think
I'll go tell them. Most of these individuals haven't even read one chapter of the Bible, but
they'll argue their opinion on it. Why, because that one website says so.

Now, before anyone bets their life on the draw of a card, as it being the right card, to bet one's
life and soul on, do the research. What value do people put on their life? Do they bet because
the card is pretty? Because someone said to pick that one card on a website? Hey, they have
NOTHING to lose by you throwing your life away on a sucker's bet. That little bit of info
has a lot of heavy truth to it. When all is said and done, and an individual has come to the end of
their life, I hope they atleast spent more time of deciding what they believe, than they spent on
deciding the last shoes they bought. But with most people it seems, they see a show on
the Discovery channel, or Hist channel, and say, "Hey, sounds good, I'll go with that."

Don't bet your life and soul on a sucker's bet. Do the research. I have and Jesus is who I choose
to believe in. His word is true and He's never let me down. Why did I choose Jesus? Well, that
deck of cards everyone is choosing a card and betting their life and soul on, belongs to the devil.
Jesus isn't part of that deck. He only offers Himself.

Avinu · Feb 8, 2012

Saul_Darian, it is clear to me, and I may be wrong. But you're not looking for any real answers, I feel this is just an attempt to play some silly game of how much arguing you can get out of this thread.
You easily dismiss everyone's answers regardless of how solid or strong they are. This kind of thing even scriptures warns from getting caught into.
To say there are no contradictions in the Bible is true, because no one, including you has ever been able to show or prove one.
I don't know, but hindu may be the oldest religion, (and as everyone knows religion is man made crap) But YHVH the creator of all things in the Heavens, on the earth and beneath the earth surpass everything else and trumps it all. And that is a fact.

I completely disagree with you in this, And his statement is not a statement of 'someone told me this' It is written more as a confimation.

This is the answer I figured you would give, I really could care less, I asked out of curiosity more than anything else. I for one believe that someone who truly walks in the Lord and His truth, they don't even attempt to pull a stunt like you have with this thread. Because you risk screwing up those on here who are babies in Yeshua, and don't have solid ground yet in there walk. If you were truly sincere in your questions, that's one thing, but with all your so called education you claim to have, than this shows you're just playing games. I have no tolerance with someone who thinks it's ok to question God in this way. So if anything is wrong here is you claiming to believe in God and Jesus and then presenting something to cause one to question or doubt. That is not a true follower of the real and ONLY true God and Messiah. I will no longer partake in this immature thread.

I'm in full agreeance with Trax, you are clearly someone who hasn't done a single bit of research. You're playing a dangerous game with God's word here and if you don't be careful it will come back and bite you in the butt real bad.

Saul_Durian · Feb 8, 2012

Avinu said:

I am not doing this simply to argue. I haven't attacked anybody personally like you and Trax have. If you go back, I actually agreed with WWJD_Kilden.

I don't even know what you are arguing with me about. You say yourself that man made religion is crap. Which is the core of my argument in the first place.

And yes, I do sometime easily dismiss people's arguments...when they are easy to dismiss. And When I am unclear about something, I ask. Like I did with you in regards to the book of Isaiah and what was said about Damascus. I do not recall seeing an answer to that.

I realize tone can be hard to read through text sometimes, but I don't mean to have a negative tone about anything said here. I am simply putting forth questions. I will debate a little when those answers don't make sense to me. That is all.

Anyway, God bless and goodnight.

Katy-follower · Feb 9, 2012

wwjd_kilden said:

The devil believes in Jesus but he is not going to heaven.

You must be born again.
John 3:3: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"

It's by grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast"

Will give another reply to this thread tomorrow.

wwjd_kilden · Feb 9, 2012

katy, well, sorry for not wording myself in equally fancy manners as everyone else in here.

How is to be saved by faith supposed to disproove my argument about believing in Jesus? Jesus said "Whoever believes in me will have ever lasting life"

tons of bible verses say Love is commandment nr 1: Love God, love your nieghbor
...if you do not, your faith isn't worth anything. THAT is what seperates my faith and that of the devils.

those are what I build my faith on

Imaan · Feb 9, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

Hi
I had same issue and researched a lot... I found something about Islam which came after Christianity and has more logical and mental theology.
also something else they have is their holy book Quran, when I looked at it I said wow.. it's wonderful...
so this is what I found after my deep research in a neutral side through the Holy Bible and Quran,
Authenticity of Torah, Gospel and Quran » Gospels, Quran, Imam, Torah, Gospel, Proverbs » Who is the Real God?

and also found some good books here in PDF:
Who is the Real God?

if you like we can share our ideas about this issue...

iamsoandso · Feb 9, 2012

when he is paying your price because you are not strong enough,,,when your not smart enough like me,, when you cannot spell like me,,,when everyone else is smarter than you,,,and you have fallen,,,,and crawled,,,when you cannot punctuate things you say correctly,,like me,,, i am not smart,i am not strong,,,i am not pretty,,,,i am weak,,i was drowning in a sea,,, and it was full of "me",,,,,,,,,,i tried to pull mine own self up from it but the more i struggled the more i sank in to it,,,and then a hand and there i was sitting at the foot of the cross and looking at it,,,,,,,,for ten days i have been singing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"my father,,,,,,,my king",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

CanadaNZ · Feb 9, 2012

The first proof we have testifying to the reliability of the Bible is the archaeological evidence. Nelson Glueck, a respected Jewish archaeologist claims: "It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever contradicted a biblical reference." The liberals made wild claims against the Bible a hundred years ago but now they are silent. This is not true of other religions. The Mormon claim for inspiration of the Book of Mormon has been categorically condemned by the Smithsonian Institute because of the fallacies shown by archaeology; this is not so with the Bible. A.N. Sherwin-White, a respected classical historian at Oxford says, "For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming..." Keith N. Schoville states: “It is important to realize that
Archaeological excavations have produced ample evidence to prove unequivocally that the Bible is not a pious forgery. Thus far, no historical statement in the Bible has been proven false on the basis of evidence retrieved through archaeological research.” Let’s take a look at some of the evidence. Two of the earliest cities in the Bible are Ur, Abraham's place of origin in Mesopotamia, and Haran, Abraham's place of settlement northeast of the Levant (now Israel), according to Genesis 11:31. Both cities are independently documented in secular history. An extensive archaeological dig of the great city of Ur has been under way for many years. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, first mentioned in Genesis 10:19, were completely destroyed (totally vaporized) around 2070 BC according to the Genesis 19:24-28. Yet, even these cities are independently documented by stone inscriptions found in the excavations of the nearby ancient city of Ebla. Egyptian history and archeology provide clear evidence that large numbers of Semitic people from the Levant lived in Egypt between the end of the Old Kingdom (2190 BC) and the beginning of the Eighteenth Dynasty (1550 BC), which encompasses the time period from Joseph to just before Moses. A papyrus from the reign of Ramesses II indicates that from the early part of the Eighteenth Dynasty until the accession of Rameses II, which is when experts date the exodus. Egypt was teeming with Semitic-speaking peoples as indicated in Exodus 1:7. The fact that the descendants of Israel were not mentioned by name is consistent with the Egyptian tradition of not documenting the names of enemies and slaves. A scene on the tomb of Rekhmire (1479-1425 BC) shows slaves at various stages of brick making, as described in Exodus 1:14. The city of Pi-Ramesses that the Hebrew slaves were building in Exodus 1:11 has been positively identified near the town of Fakus by archeologists based on building and monument inscriptions bearing the name of the city. Sir William Ramsay was one of the most skilled archaeologists of his day and he had rejected much of the written New Testament account, so he set out to prove the historian Luke wrong, hoping to confirm what many archaeologists had once thought—that the Bible was full of errors. His archaeological journeys took him to 32 countries, cities, and 9 islands. After some 15 years of intensive study he concluded, “Luke is a historian of the first rank—this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians. Some popular misconceptions that Ramsay helped correct are as follows:

· Critics thought that there was no Roman census as indicated in Luke 2:1. Ramsey discovered there was a Roman census every 14 years beginning with Emperor Augustus.
· Critics thought that Quirinius was not governor of Syria at the time of Jesus’ birth as indicated in Luke 2:2. Ramsey discovered that Quirinius was governor of Syria in about 7 b.c.
· Critics thought that people did not have to return to their ancestral home as indicated in Luke 2:3. Ramsey discovered that people did have to return to their home city— verified by an ancient Egyptian papyrus giving directions for conducting a census.
· Critics questioned the existence of the treasurer of the city of Corinth, Erastus (Romans 16:23). Ramsey discovered a city pavement in Corinth bearing the inscription “Erastus, curator of public buildings, laid this pavement at his own expense.”
· Critics thought that Luke’s reference to Gallio as proconsul of Achaia was wrong (Acts 18:12). Ramsey discovered the Delphi inscription, which reads, “As Lucius Junius Gallio, my friend and pro*consul of Achaia...

In the end Ramsay noted as one of the greatest archaeologists of all time converted to Christianity. Did you know that advances in deep space astronomy and other technologies during the 1990's have shown that the Bible and science are correlated with each other? In addition, the sequence of events in the Genesis creation account is correlated with astrophysical models and geological and fossil evidence that describe the formation of the earth and its inhabitants from the perspective of Genesis. All in all Over 2500 sites, events, cities, and places have been found. Tens of thousands of people, peoples, nations, kingdoms and tribes have been verified.

CanadaNZ · Feb 9, 2012

Now that we have talked about the historical accuracy of the bible, let us now look into some of the fulfilled prophecy found in the bible. The first is found in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter 26, which was written in 586 BC, the 11th year of the reign of King Zedekiah of Judah. The passage describes the fall of mainland Tyre to the armies of Nebuchadnezzar the following year. It further describes the events of Alexander the Great's siege against the island fortress of Tyre (a half mile off the coast of mainland Tyre) 253 years later. The chapter describes how the invaders would tear down the ruins of mainland Tyre and throw it into the sea. That they would "scrape her dust from her and leave her as the top of a rock" (v4). That "they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water" (v12). "I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets" (v14). Secular history records that Alexander the Great laid siege to the island fortress of Tyre in 332 BC. His army demolished mainland Tyre and threw it into the sea. In their effort to construct a causeway to the island, they scraped even the dust, leaving only bare rock. Historian Phillip Myers in his history textbook, General History for Colleges and High Schools, writes, "Alexander the Great reduced Tyre to ruins in 332 BC. Tyre recovered in a measure from this blow, but never regained the place she had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once great city is now as bare as the top of a rock -- a place where the fishermen that still frequent the spot spread their nets to dry". The fate of mainland Tyre was accomplished as foretold in the book of Ezekiel. The next is found in Daniel, chapter 9, verse 25. Written 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ, it foretells the very day Christ would enter Jerusalem. The prophecy states: 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of the Messiah. This is according to the Babylonian 360-day calendar, since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found by Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson in the Shushan Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, this decree was made on March 14th, 445 BC, by Artaxerxes. Exactly 173,880 days later, on April 6th, 32 AD, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem upon a colt, which also fulfilled the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9 that he would arrive on a colt of a donkey. Jeremiah 49:16 says this about Edom, a long time enemy of Israel, “The terror you inspire and the pride of your heart have deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks, who occupy the heights of the hill. Though you build your nest as high as the eagle's, from there I will bring you down," declares the Lord.” Now Edom's capital city, Petra, was carved out of a mountain side and had great natural defenses. Ezekiel 25:14 adds, “I will take vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they will deal with Edom in accordance with my anger and my wrath; they will know my vengeance, declares the Sovereign Lord.” In around 120 BC, Jewish priest-king John Hyrcanus I hired a mercenary army and attacked Edom, dismantling the strongholds of Adora and Marissa. The city of Petra was destroyed around 20 years later and the country of Edom ceased to exist. Lastly, the prophet Nahum predicted the destruction of Nineveh, permanently, in 3:19 he says, “Nothing can heal your wound; your injury is fatal. Everyone who hears the news about you claps his hands at your fall, for who has not felt your endless cruelty?” Only a few years later the Babylonian, Scythians and Medes rose up against the Assyrians and conquered their capital city of Nineveh. It is worth noting that recovery would not have been unprecedented. The Assyrian empire had conquered Babylon many years beforehand, but Babylon was able to recover from that defeat, regain its power, and defeat Assyria. But, as Nahum had accurately prophesied some 2600 years ago, Nineveh and the Assyrian Empire never recovered. These are just a few of the many fulfilled prophecies found in the Bible, proving that our God, through the prophets is able to predict the future hundreds, even thousands of years ahead of time, as the psalmist says “All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”

Grandpa · Feb 9, 2012

iamsoandso said:

when he is paying your price because you are not strong enough,,,when your not smart enough like me,, when you cannot spell like me,,,when everyone else is smarter than you,,,and you have fallen,,,,and crawled,,,when you cannot punctuate things you say correctly,,like me,,, i am not smart,i am not strong,,,i am not pretty,,,,i am weak,,i was drowning in a sea,,, and it was full of "me",,,,,,,,,,i tried to pull mine own self up from it but the more i struggled the more i sank in to it,,,and then a hand and there i was sitting at the foot of the cross and looking at it,,,,,,,,for ten days i have been singing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"my father,,,,,,,my king",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hallelujah

resurrection33 · Feb 9, 2012

Saul_Durian said:

Experience will teach you Jesus always told the truth. A mature Christian doesn’t run around saying “My religion is better than your religion.”

Saul_Durian · Feb 9, 2012

resurrection33 said:

Well, there are alot of immature Christians then.

How do you know you got it right?

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