How is the KJV corrupt?

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John146

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Something that is something else cannot be by something else, so the faith of Christ is not the righteousness of God. They are distinct.

The righteousness of God is the gift imparted.

The "faith of Christ" is the avenue by which the gift comes.

The recipients are "all them that believe".

What do they believe? That what they have been told about Jesus's atoning death and resurrection is the truth, that their sins are covered by His blood shed on the cross, and that they have a glorious eternal future with God. They take it as truth, and that "taking" is exercising faith. While that faith is indeed the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8), that faith is not merely in any random thing, but is specifically placed in the Person and finished work of Christ.

The correct understanding of "the faith of Christ" is faith in Christ.
You rely on your faith. I’ll rely on the faith of Christ.
 
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in KJV that nuance is altogether absent; they translate it simply, "a piece of money" -- weirdly not a piece of 17th century British coin?

clearly this is not a salvation-dependent piece of knowledge. but does it not matter at all?
i never even knew to ask the question, why it isn't a shekel, until 1987, when my church started using the 1984 NIV for youth classes.


no one has ever answered that question for me. ((i'm looking at you, ESV - not satisfied with what ya did there. hmm.))
does that mean it doesn't matter?

if that is the case, why did God specify 'drachma' in His book, when it was first written, instead of generically 'a piece of money' ?
It could've been specified as "temple tax money", though. In my NKJV that's mentioned in the footnote.
 

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You rely on your faith. I’ll rely on the faith of Christ.
my faith is in the faithfulness of Christ.

:)

i'm still a bit bewildered about saying God has faith, since faith is the evidence of things unseen -- but nothing is hidden from His sight.

God having faithfulness? being worthy of our trust? absolutely.
 

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You rely on your faith. I’ll rely on the faith of Christ.
Your position is both illogical and inconsistent with Scripture. However, I respect your right to be wrong. My faith is in Christ.
 

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my faith is in the faithfulness of Christ.

:)

i'm still a bit bewildered about saying God has faith, since faith is the evidence of things unseen -- but nothing is hidden from His sight.

God having faithfulness? being worthy of our trust? absolutely.
Was Christ obedient unto the Father? Faith come by hearing the word of God.
 

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It could've been specified as "temple tax money", though. In my NKJV that's mentioned in the footnote.
hmm i heard NKV is corrupt tho

hehehe :p

in kjv 'temple' is italicized, in the preceding verse where they ask Simon if Jesus pays the tax?
the italics indicating it is not actually in the text.


the actual text calls it 'the didrachmas' which is, two-drachmas.
so everyone knew it as a tax paid in Greek currency.


i do agree that what's probably being referred to here is a temple tax, most likely imposed to pay for the Herodian construction projects on the temple mount, and has reference to the tax Moses imposed in Exodus 30, a half shekel from every male above 20 when the census was taken. i also believe this tax in Christ's day was being taken not according to the law but simply by the ruling government, but probably used Exodus 30 as a justification -- a false justification, as it were, because there isn't any indication in Exodus that this was to be a perpetual tax. it reads as a one-time tax, when the census is taken. Exodus associates it with redemption/atonement, Exodus 30:16

in Exodus it is a half-shekel. which is Hebrew money. so it is, to me, quite interesting that by 1st century this turned into 2 drachmas. which is Greek money.
 
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Yes, and? How does that add to the discussion at this point? How does it bring clarity to the question of the nature of "the faith of Christ"?
One indicator of that "nature" is that you stop putting your faith in any authority figure, any corporation or organization, not in even your own family or your church, but in God and and His words, and follow the lead of the Holy Spirit wherever you go.
 

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Your position is both illogical and inconsistent with Scripture. However, I respect your right to be wrong. My faith is in Christ.
Lol, doesn’t even make sense. ESV…faith in Jesus Christ is given them that believe in Jesus Christ…🤔🤔🤔

22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
 

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Christ is The Word of God -- so does He have faith because He hears Himself?
Was Christ obedient to the Father? Yes. Is that being obedient to himself? Not exactly. We’re talking about Christ when he became man.
 

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Christ is The Word of God -- so does He have faith because He hears Himself?
Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 
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i do agree that what's probably being referred to here is a temple tax, most likely imposed to pay for the Herodian construction projects on the temple mount, and has reference to the tax Moses imposed in Exodus 30, a half shekel from every male above 20 when the census was taken.
When exactly was the second temple built? John 2:20 says that it took 46 years to build the second temple, was that in the first 7 weeks in Dan. 9:25 or much later during the reign of old Herod?
 

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Was Christ obedient to the Father? Yes. Is that being obedient to himself? Not exactly. We’re talking about Christ when he became man.
maybe this comes down to my view of Christ, yes

i believe it's more correct to say He adds Humanity to Himself.
i believe Jesus is at all times 100% God and 100% human, of one nature, not two disparate ones. so His humanity is perfect, in which sense He never has any sin and cannot be tempted. but He is also absolutely and completely God, so 'having faith' is a weird concept, in the way i understand us as humans to have faith in God, who is a totally different person than us.
for Jesus, God is exactly who He is. so i am having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that He has faith in Himself??

maybe i'm just anthropomorphizing, and speaking of Christ having faith is just a compromise we have to make to speak about the greatest of all mysteries, the God-man, the hypostatic union. that our language is simply incapable of adequately handling the subject.

however if our language is insufficient to describe the mystery of godliness, then that means no translation is 'perfect' -- because the Word is spiritual, and spiritually understood. our carnal languages are only pointing to the reality, which is made of abstract ideas and knowledge, not mere words.

amazing that God put these infinite things in a finite book!!!
 

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When exactly was the second temple built? John 2:20 says that it took 46 years to build the second temple, was that in the first 7 weeks in Dan. 9:25 or much later during the reign of old Herod?

i don't know. i could ask google..?

but we're still paying for the Jersey turnpike lol -- they don't remove the bridge tolls just because the bridge is finished and the bills are settled, ha!
 

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One indicator of that "nature" is that you stop putting your faith in any authority figure, any corporation or organization, not in even your own family or your church, but in God and and His words, and follow the lead of the Holy Spirit wherever you go.
I don't disagree at all, but again I ask, how is this relevant to the present discussion?
 

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i don't know. i could ask google..?

but we're still paying for the Jersey turnpike lol -- they don't remove the bridge tolls just because the bridge is finished and the bills are settled, ha!
In British Columbia, the government fronted the money for the construction of the 'Coquihalla Highway' but installed toll booths to collect back the cost. Once the highway debt was paid, the toll booths were removed.

Of course, they might have regretted that decision after several bridges on that highway were washed out recently.
 

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Lol, doesn’t even make sense. ESV…faith in Jesus Christ is given them that believe in Jesus Christ…🤔🤔🤔
I have no need to defend the ESV.