Paul was speaking to Timothy, a pastor of an established church, about how he should treat heretics in his church. This was not a special problem in the church. This was general teaching to the pastor. If the Pastor is to throw them out after 2 warnings, then it's safe to say that it's inappropriate for us to do so for a couple of days. You ought to be concerned for error, because that error was taught by those two with other people giving them 'likes'. That usually means they agree.
How many heretics have you converted?
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The likes were the same four people.
We had plenty of ammunition to defeat the heresy(and perhaps change
the very minds of the ones posting it).
Timothy, nor did any other pastor of that time have the Bible.
Entirely different circumstances.
Entirely different.
Our argument was showing the error of their heretical view.
(and many were learning in the process)
I'd rather souls be able to speak what they believe.
Instead of thrusting them out like an incorporated denomination;.....after all, this is a Bible forum.
See how now their hearts will be hardened even more toward what they believe?
The bible stands on it's own; it doesn't need our help.
Just speak the Word in Truth, and all else falls by the wayside.
We had plenty of ammunition to defeat the heresy(and perhaps change
the very minds of the ones posting it).
Timothy, nor did any other pastor of that time have the Bible.
Entirely different circumstances.
Entirely different.
Our argument was showing the error of their heretical view.
(and many were learning in the process)
I'd rather souls be able to speak what they believe.
Instead of thrusting them out like an incorporated denomination;.....after all, this is a Bible forum.
See how now their hearts will be hardened even more toward what they believe?
The bible stands on it's own; it doesn't need our help.
Just speak the Word in Truth, and all else falls by the wayside.
What kind of ''ammunition'' did we have? (why didn't it work?)
Can you tell us what the ''many'' learned? From which side did they learn from?
This was NOT a denominational issue, so don't use that.
I thought the Bible stood on its own, too..... until you said that scripture doesn't apply anymore. When its interpretation is changed, it makes it of none effect.
Can you tell us what the ''many'' learned? From which side did they learn from?
This was NOT a denominational issue, so don't use that.
I thought the Bible stood on its own, too..... until you said that scripture doesn't apply anymore. When its interpretation is changed, it makes it of none effect.
Don't get mad.
This isn't personal.
I never said scripture changed.
I told you to see the circumstance and use discretion.
Scripture never changed.
If people are coming into an assembly and causing disruption then
the pastor has the right to excommunicate them.
There are no rules for banning someone from this site for their beliefs.
Read the rules.
As for people taking their side.....are you kidding?
And the whole Bible is ammunition against that doctrine, you saw how I used the same verse Disciple 653 quoted, against him.
I was making progress...........
I can't believe the administrators banned someone from this site for their beliefs. - It is against the bylaws.
This isn't personal.
I never said scripture changed.
I told you to see the circumstance and use discretion.
Scripture never changed.
If people are coming into an assembly and causing disruption then
the pastor has the right to excommunicate them.
There are no rules for banning someone from this site for their beliefs.
Read the rules.
As for people taking their side.....are you kidding?
And the whole Bible is ammunition against that doctrine, you saw how I used the same verse Disciple 653 quoted, against him.
I was making progress...........
I can't believe the administrators banned someone from this site for their beliefs. - It is against the bylaws.
P
This actually must become pretty problematic, because those poor admistrators have half of us screaming to let us alone, and the other half screaming to have anyone who doesn't adhere to our own doctrine (not that there should be more than one, but.....) instantly banned.
Just as we worry for the young or untaught,
so we wish to give people the chance to hear the Truth.
A balancing act...I don't envy those guys.
I have noticed that so long as it isn't something glaring (profanity, etc.)
they tend to let it play out a while to see what may happen.
And not every 'heretic' has been banned.
Yours truly is still here.
Just as we worry for the young or untaught,
so we wish to give people the chance to hear the Truth.
A balancing act...I don't envy those guys.
I have noticed that so long as it isn't something glaring (profanity, etc.)
they tend to let it play out a while to see what may happen.
And not every 'heretic' has been banned.
Yours truly is still here.
As Psychomom said, every time a heretic begins promoting their doctrine here we end up in no win situation. Half the site is screaming at us to ban them, the other half is screaming after we ban them.
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I just wanted to post how God restored Abiding and me to fellowship.
And how sweet the Holy Spirit is to reconcile us.
And how I hope Stephen and me can also be brother kinsmen.
It's really ridiculous when you think about it.
That we serve the same perfect Savior, who thought enough of us; not only to live a perfect life, but suffer and die for us;.........that there would remain differences.
In Jesus there are no differences.
Plus God has done a great thing for Bekah.
For His consoling Spirit I am humbled.
How He takes care of His own.
And how sweet the Holy Spirit is to reconcile us.
And how I hope Stephen and me can also be brother kinsmen.
It's really ridiculous when you think about it.
That we serve the same perfect Savior, who thought enough of us; not only to live a perfect life, but suffer and die for us;.........that there would remain differences.
In Jesus there are no differences.
Plus God has done a great thing for Bekah.
For His consoling Spirit I am humbled.
How He takes care of His own.
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Well, you can stop feeling alone. If you stand up for truth on any issue then Christ stands beside you. Remember when Jeremiah felt alone and fled from Jezebel into that cave? he told God he felt alone but God told him that HE had a remnant reserved who had not bowed to Baal.
God always has His remnant.
Yeah I know that if God did not guide me in my speech I would remain mute or just stumble over my own tongue speaking pure nonsense.
I think its a blessing to have to prayer before speaking, though when i was younger I just thought it was annoying and inconvenient to hyperventilate when faced with public speaking. Now I know it was God's way of making me stop and think and pray about what I would say to a crowd before speaking out loud what truth I can convey that He has taught me from above.
As many have pointed out its a balancing act. Even God allowed people to sin until a certain point before judging and punishing them. However God's punishment is to correct and teach, not as the world would punish because there is always the chance of redemption. I believe the admins and mods of the site try and follow God's example as best as possible. Jesus forgave Peter when in the heat of emotion he cut of the guards ear. He healed the guard and told him to put away his sword.
Sometimes Rick, God says put away your sword and let Him handle it. I know I'm not suppose to address two different people in the same post but I have only a few minutes and wanted to say hi and that I love you all!
Just remember that those in authority need your prayers and support, even if you do not always understand their reason. pray to God and ask Him if their hearts are with Him and if they are being lead by Him. If the answer is yes then support them as best as you can through your words, actions and prayers.
Here are the Bible verses that come to mind this morning after reading all of your words....
Genesis 15
13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
Many people will ask me what in the world does those verses have to do with the conversation. To me its evident but I have learned that to most my thinking is kind of confusing.
What I'm trying to show is that God has a plan for us and for the world. He is trying to show the world His truth and though if you only look at a small part of scripture or small part of history, you can get confused and not understand His plan of redemption. If you look at all of it, you understand the reason behind many events.
For example:
Why did Abraham descendants have to be strangers in a land that is not theirs?
Why did they have to serve and be afflicted for four hundred years?
What nation did God judge and why?
Why must the iniquity of the Amorites be complete before God displaces them and gives the land to Abraham's descendents?
That takes me to these verses:
... grr I can't find it. It is when God tells Moses that He gives the land to the people not because they are better than other people but because the sins of the people who now dwell on the land is so awful that He must judge and condemn them, and continues to tell them not to become snared into doing the same sinful things....I'll post this and keep looking...
God always has His remnant.
Yeah I know that if God did not guide me in my speech I would remain mute or just stumble over my own tongue speaking pure nonsense.
I think its a blessing to have to prayer before speaking, though when i was younger I just thought it was annoying and inconvenient to hyperventilate when faced with public speaking. Now I know it was God's way of making me stop and think and pray about what I would say to a crowd before speaking out loud what truth I can convey that He has taught me from above.
As many have pointed out its a balancing act. Even God allowed people to sin until a certain point before judging and punishing them. However God's punishment is to correct and teach, not as the world would punish because there is always the chance of redemption. I believe the admins and mods of the site try and follow God's example as best as possible. Jesus forgave Peter when in the heat of emotion he cut of the guards ear. He healed the guard and told him to put away his sword.
Sometimes Rick, God says put away your sword and let Him handle it. I know I'm not suppose to address two different people in the same post but I have only a few minutes and wanted to say hi and that I love you all!
Just remember that those in authority need your prayers and support, even if you do not always understand their reason. pray to God and ask Him if their hearts are with Him and if they are being lead by Him. If the answer is yes then support them as best as you can through your words, actions and prayers.
Here are the Bible verses that come to mind this morning after reading all of your words....
Genesis 15
13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
Many people will ask me what in the world does those verses have to do with the conversation. To me its evident but I have learned that to most my thinking is kind of confusing.
What I'm trying to show is that God has a plan for us and for the world. He is trying to show the world His truth and though if you only look at a small part of scripture or small part of history, you can get confused and not understand His plan of redemption. If you look at all of it, you understand the reason behind many events.
For example:
Why did Abraham descendants have to be strangers in a land that is not theirs?
Why did they have to serve and be afflicted for four hundred years?
What nation did God judge and why?
Why must the iniquity of the Amorites be complete before God displaces them and gives the land to Abraham's descendents?
That takes me to these verses:
... grr I can't find it. It is when God tells Moses that He gives the land to the people not because they are better than other people but because the sins of the people who now dwell on the land is so awful that He must judge and condemn them, and continues to tell them not to become snared into doing the same sinful things....I'll post this and keep looking...
Ariel this is what I love about God and HIS TRUTH..... We do not have to twist it. When we are in Truth we do not have to twist it to be justified or to be right or to be righteouss... it is the TRUTH in us that does all those things.
When I was a sinner I needed to be SAVED... I needed to be FREED... and I needed to be JUSTIFIED.... Guess what SAVED me, Guess what FREED me, Guess what JUSTIFIED me..... The TRUTH made me free.... The WAY saved me, and the LIFE justifies me! Jesus said I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE!
I CANNOT twist God's Truth to show I am free, I am free because I did not TWIST God's word like so many FALSE techers does. It was the TRUTH (God's Truth) His UNTWISTED word that I KNOW, that made me free... Look how clearly God SHOW us ....
ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free...... I will NEVER be free if I do not KNOW His Truth. I shall NEVER be free if I twist HIS trith to accomodate thr LIE or the half Truth ot the PRETEND Truth. The Truth is God's Word.... Jesus says so clearly.... Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
My advice to people that is NOT made free from their own old self, the false teachers, the weak churches, the dead bodies of sin, the false doctrines and christs, spend more time in God's Word with God Himself as your teacher, and HE SHALL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH, AND YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE...
I have to show you what the Truth make you free from.... 1. Sin.... 2. False churches.... 3. False christs.... 4. Your old self and old flesh.... 5. All evil.... 6. All false teachings... 7. Disappointing brethren, even Jesus!... 8. Serving Satan!
What an awesome God we have in a Father in heaven. May HIS TRUTH make us this free.....
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I love You Lord Jesus, thank You that YOU LOVED ME FIRST!
When I was a sinner I needed to be SAVED... I needed to be FREED... and I needed to be JUSTIFIED.... Guess what SAVED me, Guess what FREED me, Guess what JUSTIFIED me..... The TRUTH made me free.... The WAY saved me, and the LIFE justifies me! Jesus said I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE!
I CANNOT twist God's Truth to show I am free, I am free because I did not TWIST God's word like so many FALSE techers does. It was the TRUTH (God's Truth) His UNTWISTED word that I KNOW, that made me free... Look how clearly God SHOW us ....
ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free...... I will NEVER be free if I do not KNOW His Truth. I shall NEVER be free if I twist HIS trith to accomodate thr LIE or the half Truth ot the PRETEND Truth. The Truth is God's Word.... Jesus says so clearly.... Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
My advice to people that is NOT made free from their own old self, the false teachers, the weak churches, the dead bodies of sin, the false doctrines and christs, spend more time in God's Word with God Himself as your teacher, and HE SHALL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH, AND YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE...
I have to show you what the Truth make you free from.... 1. Sin.... 2. False churches.... 3. False christs.... 4. Your old self and old flesh.... 5. All evil.... 6. All false teachings... 7. Disappointing brethren, even Jesus!... 8. Serving Satan!
What an awesome God we have in a Father in heaven. May HIS TRUTH make us this free.....
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I love You Lord Jesus, thank You that YOU LOVED ME FIRST!