How many sins does it take for a christian to become aa sinner? John 9:31 Now we know that God hearth not sinners.

[massorite]

You mean to tell me you do not even know what we are being saved from???

You believe we are being saved from being sinners???

We are being saved from being cast into the Eternal Lake of Fire which is the penalty for our transgressions against the Word of God... That's what we are being saved from..

The insane doctrine that it is all about stopping us from sinning is clearly false because the world is full of Christians who keep on sinning.. I am gobsmacked that the sinlessness in the flesh cult is so popular when it should be absolutely clear to every person who is caught up in this cult that they still sin....

You are correct!!! Salvation is all about the soul. The first death is the death of the flesh, the second death is the death of the soul.

 

[Brandnewday]

No actually you did say the Word of God was corrupted without using the word "corrupted".
Way too many contradictions to have it consistently make sense and lay claim to being the inspired word of a perfect God.
Those words "Way too many contradictions" is as you claimed to be a "rework of the scripture". Claiming to be a believer who doesn't believe in the "inspired word of a perfect God." and who actually uses a misinterpretation to claim even one scripture is a contradiction is indeed an effort to doubt cast on the whole of the Word of God and is the inspired work of Satan. God is perfect and His inspired Word is perfect.
By the way I used the color of red because it is the color that represents and is the color of Satan.

Now your implying I'm satanic because you wish to see me that way. What's that say about you?
Red is the color of satan. What a foolish ignorance that is that just discredited the RED LETTER EDITION OF ANY BIBLE!

Find someone else to take your hate out on pal. I was being patient due to your little dog being so adorable and reminding me of my daughters first pup. Now, I feel sorry for the dog that their owner is lousy with people.

 

[Brandnewday]

Unbelief

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

jesus took the penalty of sin on the cross, as Paul said, he good what was contrary to us, and against us (the curse of the law) and took it out of the way having nailed it to the cross

I'm not here to invite hostility. I'm here seeking to ask questions and bring to you all's attention that there are parts of the scripture that beg to be questioned in what is being communicated to you so that you believe it.
That's the purpose of the bible isn't it? Useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.


Interesting choice of words don't you agree? Condemned already. Who is born believing? Therefore, all born into this life are condemned.
Then we take the scripture that was under discussion, that God does not pay attention to nor listen to the prayers of sinners. Only to those who are already godly and do his will.
How do the condemned repent when God doesn't pay attention to nor hear their prayers? How does someone come to believe in the God that doesn't hear the born condemned persons prayers? How does the one born condemned whom God does not listen to nor pay attention to should they pray change their condition?
They can believe in God, but if God doesn't hear their prayers does God see them? If he tells you he doesn't hear them?

If all things are predestined and predetermined by God, because God knew the name of everyone whom he would save before salvation became a factor in this world, and God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners, how would anyone but the one's God predetermined to save have hope?
When you are told God does all things, which would include of course predetermination, he predetermines, predestines, as sovereign God, all things, according to his will. And due to his zeal for his own glory. All that is in the bible too.

Why would God not hear a sinners prayer? When people are born condemned, sinners, in the beginning. All but those he predestined to save.
Doesn't that then call into question John 3:16? Or is there a version of its wording that coincides with the predestined saving of those whom God has chosen to save before they were born? http://www.latinvulgate.com/lv/verse.aspx?t=1&b=4&c=3

Why would anyone get mad investigating deeper the scriptures that someone may have only considered superficially?
If it is God's breath, God's inspired word to the world, why deny what God tells you about you? And himself?

Jesus said you do not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

It is a matter of composition. A composite of God's own message to you. Take the scriptures that God inspired you to understand of himself and your place in his plan as his message. You can't deny God is sovereign. You can't deny God predestines all things due to his zeal for his own glory. You can't deny God tells you he does not hear the prayer of sinners, only those who are godly , saved, and do his will.
Many are called. Few are chosen. That isn't the afterthought. Many can read the bible and believe they'll go to hell if they don't come to Jesus. Look at all those people who are in the public eye, wearing crosses, and yet are criminal types, or immoral. Publicly immoral as they are public figures. What's that cross mean then? Do they act like a Christian?
Or are they betting their eternity on the wager of Pascal?

If they're not chosen God doesn't hear their prayers.
Maybe that's why so many claiming Christ give Christ by their personality a bad name. Because they felt called to claim Christ. But they weren't chosen by Christ in the beginning to be someone he'd listen to when they prayed.

 

[Deade]

We are partakers of God's nature, His very essence, that is part of the meaning of the words "eternal life"

Granted, we have the Holy Spirit and part of our consciousness will live there after we sleep. I don't know exactly how that works, do you? Where is your conscious mind at right now? If it is in heaven, maybe you can describe it for me.

The eternal lives in the temporal....Us

So I have both at the same time.

Only by God's promise and in His eyes. If He does not resurrect us, we are lost.

 

[massorite]

Now your implying I'm satanic because you wish to see me that way. What's that say about you?
Red is the color of satan. What a foolish ignorance that is that just discredited the RED LETTER EDITION OF ANY BIBLE!

Find someone else to take your hate out on pal. I was being patient due to your little dog being so adorable and reminding me of my daughters first pup. Now, I feel sorry for the dog that their owner is lousy with people.

If the shoe fits???

 

[Brandnewday]

Um

Gods law is Gods requirement for entrance to heaven based on our own merit.

I am going to break down your reply and answer in parts if you don't mind.
Wouldn't that be a kind of works salvation you're referring to there?
God's law reveals our sin.

whoever breaks it loses the ability to earn ones right to be a child of God,

Earns? Isn't that works based salvation again?

thats why whoever sins is a transgressors of the law. As James said, if we keep the whole law and stumble in one point, we are guilty.

using this as a guide, we see as scripture says there is non righteous, no not one, because ALL have sinned, and fall short of Gods glorious standard,

the standard and guide of righteous living is the law of love and the spirit, it is what jesus taught and showed by example, putting the needs of others above your own needs,

like paul said, the law comes and kills, because it exposes sin, seek after the things of the spirit and you will not fulfill lusts of self desire,

Lots to digest there in that last quote. Let me refer you back to the first quote of your words. "Gods law is Gods requirement for entrance to heaven based on our own merit."

Now in this last quote you have what you said about James and the law. We're guilty of breaking the law if we stumble on even one point of it. But yet, you said first that Gods law is Gods requirement for entrance into heaven based on your own merit.
If there are none righteous how does any one who will certainly stumble on keeping God's law , even one point of it, and therefore break the law,transgress the law, that is the requirement for entrance into heaven actually enter heaven? Or are all people who will end up in heaven transgressors?

What is sin? As to the last sentence in your last quote about Paul. Sin is transgression of God's known will or his law or any of his principles.
However, you've already established through James that no one can keep the law because if they stumble on one part of it they've broken the whole thing. But yet you said God's law is God's requirement for entrance into heaven based on your own merit. What merit? When no one can keep the law in total? Because when they stumble on one part of it they've broken all the law of God.

 

[Brandnewday]

If the shoe fits???

Then you're wearing it pal!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am going to break down your reply and answer in parts if you don't mind.
Wouldn't that be a kind of works salvation you're referring to there?

it depends,

if you wanted to earn your way, the law showed you how, perfect obedience.

the point is, no one fulfilled that requirement but Christ, thus no one can earn salvation

God's law reveals our sin.

yes. For all have sinned

so how can it show us how to be righteous?

Earns? Isn't that works based salvation again?

try to read what I said, you seem to be misreading, I am not talking about working, I am talking about true obedience to the law. And what it looks like

Lots to digest there in that last quote. Let me refer you back to the first quote of your words. "Gods law is Gods requirement for entrance to heaven based on our own merit."

Now in this last quote you have what you said about James and the law. We're guilty of breaking the law if we stumble on even one point of it. But yet, you said first that Gods law is Gods requirement for entrance into heaven based on your own merit.
If there are none righteous how does any one who will certainly stumble on keeping God's law , even one point of it, and therefore break the law,transgress the law, that is the requirement for entrance into heaven actually enter heaven? Or are all people who will end up in heaven transgressors?

What is sin? As to the last sentence in your last quote about Paul. Sin is transgression of God's known will or his law or any of his principles.
However, you've already established through James that no one can keep the law because if they stumble on one part of it they've broken the whole thing. But yet you said God's law is God's requirement for entrance into heaven based on your own merit. What merit? When no one can keep the law in total? Because when they stumble on one part of it they've broken all the law of God.

not to much to digest realy

moses demanded they confirm and obey every word (perfection) knowing if they failed they were cursed

paul said if we try to place ourselves under law we are cursed, because the same reason, cursed is EVERYONE who does not obey every word of the law (literally every jot and tittle)

the law was not given to teach you righteous living

it was given to teach you how unrighteous you are

using the law to try to live righteously is like using a skateboard to go goon a 1000 mile trip in 2 days, where it was not created for that purpose, and the one who tries to use it to accomplish that goal will fail because it was not created for that purpose

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not here to invite hostility. I'm here seeking to ask questions and bring to you all's attention that there are parts of the scripture that beg to be questioned in what is being communicated to you so that you believe it.
That's the purpose of the bible isn't it? Useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

i am not here to create hostility either

you asked a question, I gave you the biblical answer,

Interesting choice of words don't you agree? Condemned already. Who is born believing? Therefore, all born into this life are condemned.
Then we take the scripture that was under discussion, that God does not pay attention to nor listen to the prayers of sinners. Only to those who are already godly and do his will.
How do the condemned repent when God doesn't pay attention to nor hear their prayers? How does someone come to believe in the God that doesn't hear the born condemned persons prayers? How does the one born condemned whom God does not listen to nor pay attention to should they pray change their condition?
They can believe in God, but if God doesn't hear their prayers does God see them? If he tells you he doesn't hear them?

If all things are predestined and predetermined by God, because God knew the name of everyone whom he would save before salvation became a factor in this world, and God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners, how would anyone but the one's God predetermined to save have hope?
When you are told God does all things, which would include of course predetermination, he predetermines, predestines, as sovereign God, all things, according to his will. And due to his zeal for his own glory. All that is in the bible too.

Why would God not hear a sinners prayer? When people are born condemned, sinners, in the beginning. All but those he predestined to save.
Doesn't that then call into question John 3:16? Or is there a version of its wording that coincides with the predestined saving of those whom God has chosen to save before they were born? http://www.latinvulgate.com/lv/verse.aspx?t=1&b=4&c=3

Why would anyone get mad investigating deeper the scriptures that someone may have only considered superficially?
If it is God's breath, God's inspired word to the world, why deny what God tells you about you? And himself?

Jesus said you do not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

It is a matter of composition. A composite of God's own message to you. Take the scriptures that God inspired you to understand of himself and your place in his plan as his message. You can't deny God is sovereign. You can't deny God predestines all things due to his zeal for his own glory. You can't deny God tells you he does not hear the prayer of sinners, only those who are godly , saved, and do his will.
Many are called. Few are chosen. That isn't the afterthought. Many can read the bible and believe they'll go to hell if they don't come to Jesus. Look at all those people who are in the public eye, wearing crosses, and yet are criminal types, or immoral. Publicly immoral as they are public figures. What's that cross mean then? Do they act like a Christian?
Or are they betting their eternity on the wager of Pascal?

If they're not chosen God doesn't hear their prayers.
Maybe that's why so many claiming Christ give Christ by their personality a bad name. Because they felt called to claim Christ. But they weren't chosen by Christ in the beginning to be someone he'd listen to when they prayed.

your trying to read to much into it

the tax collector got on his knees, unable to even look up, and called out for gods mercy

did God not listen to him because he was a sinner?

jesus answered this

predestined has no bearing, i am not calvinist if that is your thinking, let’s just stick with the example jesus gave us,

 

[Brandnewday]

it depends,

if you wanted to earn your way, the law showed you how, perfect obedience.

the point is, no one fulfilled that requirement but Christ, thus no one can earn salvation


yes. For all have sinned

so how can it show us how to be righteous?


try to read what I said, you seem to be misreading, I am not talking about working, I am talking about true obedience to the law. And what it looks like



not to much to digest realy

moses demanded they confirm and obey every word (perfection) knowing if they failed they were cursed

paul said if we try to place ourselves under law we are cursed, because the same reason, cursed is EVERYONE who does not obey every word of the law (literally every jot and tittle)

the law was not given to teach you righteous living

it was given to teach you how unrighteous you are

using the law to try to live righteously is like using a skateboard to go goon a 1000 mile trip in 2 days, where it was not created for that purpose, and the one who tries to use it to accomplish that goal will fail because it was not created for that purpose

I read you right the first time. "whoever breaks it loses the ability to earn ones right to be a child of God, "
Says it all actually.

 

[Brandnewday]

i am not here to create hostility either

you asked a question, I gave you the biblical answer,


your trying to read to much into it

the tax collector got on his knees, unable to even look up, and called out for gods mercy

did God not listen to him because he was a sinner?

jesus answered this

predestined has no bearing, i am not calvinist if that is your thinking, let’s just stick with the example jesus gave us,

I'm not Calvinist either. I'm just going by what God himself tells us in his word.
Maybe the tax collector was saved because God knew him.
Do we dismiss God telling us he doesn't listen to sinners prayers? Doesn't hear or pay attention to them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I read you right the first time. "whoever breaks it loses the ability to earn ones right to be a child of God, "
Says it all actually.

Yep

and its true

it that was not my point

please try to understand the point

thelaw was given for the soul purpose of leading us to Christ as a schoolmaster, according to the law

if your perfect you earn your right to heaven

1 sin, and grace is required for you to be saved

thus in essence

everyone requires grace

because all have sinned

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not Calvinist either. I'm just going by what God himself tells us in his word.
Maybe the tax collector was saved because God knew him.
Do we dismiss God telling us he doesn't listen to sinners prayers? Doesn't hear or pay attention to them?

Jesus said the tax collector went home justified

lets Take him at his word and try not to read into it ok?

one second he was a sinner, he called out to God and God saved him


the religious person who thought he earned his way went home condemned,

 

[notuptome]

I'm not Calvinist either. I'm just going by what God himself tells us in his word.
Maybe the tax collector was saved because God knew him.
Do we dismiss God telling us he doesn't listen to sinners prayers? Doesn't hear or pay attention to them?

Its been said that the first prayer God hears is the prayer of a sinner asking Christ to save him from his sins.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Brandnewday]

Its been said that the first prayer God hears is the prayer of a sinner asking Christ to save him from his sins.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Where's it say that in God's own words, the bible?

 

[Brandnewday]

Jesus said the tax collector went home justified

lets Take him at his word and try not to read into it ok?

one second he was a sinner, he called out to God and God saved him


the religious person who thought he earned his way went home condemned,

You are reading into it aren't you? When you ignore God said he doesn't hear sinners prayers.
Or you forget this verse that tells you God chooses you. You don't choose God. John 15:16

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are reading into it aren't you? When you ignore God said he doesn't hear sinners prayers.
Or you forget this verse that tells you God chooses you. You don't choose God. John 15:16

No

he does not hear sinners requests

but he offers sinners mercy and salvation and when they call out to recieve his gift, he honors that request

God choses s based on his will, and his will is that everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved

 

[Brandnewday]

No

he does not hear sinners requests

but he offers sinners mercy and salvation and when they call out to recieve his gift, he honors that request

God choses s based on his will, and his will is that everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved

That's not what the scripture says though.
He doesn't hear their requests? But he hears their request for salvation? "and we have known that God doth not hear sinners, but, if any one may be a worshipper of God, and may do His will, him He doth hear; "
How do we know this? Where else is that in the bible? The Book of Isaiah? “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear”

 

[Lafftur]

That girl hit the jackpot when she got you

Well, she hasn't quite come to appreciate it yet, ..... she's kind of worldly... a lot of growing up to do.... she turned 22 years old today... she's in God's Hands... really His daughter anyway....

Something funny happen.... she brought a game she wanted to play and was sure I would not like it because I love God.... It's called Crimes Against Humanity. I never heard of it. My husband said it was kind of bad and vulgar.

I said, "Well, let me see. Show me the cards.... my daughter said, "Just pick one mom and read it." So, I did.

The card read "Morgan Freeman's voice." I said, "Who is she?" The whole family laughed, they said, "It's not a girl, it''s a man and in a movie he played The Voice of God." I said, "Oh, okay, I would probably like his voice."

We laughed, my daughter said, "Mom only YOU would draw that card. Draw another!" So, I did.

The card read, "The Jews." My daughter said, "WHAT?!! I cannot believe that you drew THAT card! Draw another." So, I did.

The card read, "The Genuine Human Connection." I said, "Oh, that's God with Man on the Earth - Emanuel, that's the ONLY Genuine Human Connection - when God connects with man." My daughter said, "No mom!! How are you doing this?! How are you only drawing THESE cards?!!" Draw ONE MORE!" so, I did.

The card read, "Friendly Fire." I said, "Oh, that's God - He's a consuming Fire yet, to me He's warmth and comfort, He is friendly fire."

"No, No!! I cannot believe you are drawing these cards!! " I said, I like this game. She said, "No, I will not play this game with you, we'll play UNO instead." So, we played UNO. lol!

 

[NOV25]

They are deep in theology and what I’ve presented to them goes against what they believe to be true.

What you've presented is unorthodox and as previously suggested should not be taught from such a public stage. Your teaching, that a Christian no longer sins, places a stumbling block for some to fall right into the river of hyper grace. If your teaching causes just one of His little ones who believe (aka Christians) to sin it would be better for you if... you know the rest.