How many sins does it take for a christian to become aa sinner? John 9:31 Now we know that God hearth not sinners.

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I'm dumbfounded that people say they believe the bible contains the words of God.And then say they don't believe what it says when they don't like what is pointed out as to be found written there.
I do believe it

why don’t you?

and why do you continue to,refuse to look at the passages I show you?
 
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Whisper 😊
How are you doing my brother? It’s good to see you, as always.
Ah I forgot about her. She is still here? I am doing great Bro, how are you in this rough time
 

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I read someone here post a screed that looked to be about a foot and a half long. Didn't use a measure to find out the precise length of their screed because it wasn't worth my time. The whole point of their mouthing off, after they claimed to be a martyr for doing so do to some cutting they'd had previously on their eyes, but evidently it wasn't so uncomfortable that they could sit in front of a monitor and hope to lead members here to kick the dust off their feet and ignore someone who has posted they're seeking to understand what in the scriptures doesn't seem to line up as a consistent teaching, or doesn't appear to not be contradictory.
The image they give of their style of believer is to call people to turn against people who look to understand what appears to be contradictory. Imagine if Jesus was that lame. No one would bear his name today or follow his words.

I've said it before and shall one last time. I'm not here to bring people to anger or upset. I'm not here to make people think I'm not genuine in my observations. I was a Christian for many a year. And then it suddenly dawned on me as I was reading the new testament that i just couldn't ignore what was being attributed God as his words to me.
I don't believe you are here to cause trouble.
I had to cut your post for the room to post mine. Thank you for understanding. :)

I read your post above very carefully. I also read your post history, the few lines that appear in your posts as there are some ten pages for review. In the consideration of time I did not read all of your posts in full. I did find a few topics you replied to that I found of interest and am looking into what those are about on my own.
One thing I noticed you observed and as your personal perspective I'd say, is you believe someone can believe in God but not the Bible.

That's a profound sentence. At least I believe that. I would say in reading that in your posting here that you are not an unbeliever at all. You believe in God from what I read in that sentence, and in what I've read you say in other threads. Particularly as pertains to women being called to ministry. I did read that one because I am female and it was of interest. I do like your perspective in that thread.

I believe God calls people to preach. Humans are only responsible for opining about whom He chose for His service.

I don't want to get sidetracked on that topic here.
I believe you believe in God and you have every right to say you don't believe in the Bible. However, it isn't to say and it should not be something you insist upon, that others do not believe in the Bible. And I did not read you say that I just wanted to state that for the record.
We know, at least any who seek to find out more about the faith and the the history of how the Bible came to us, that indeed more than 40 men were authors of it. And it took over 1500 years to compile.
Then it was called the word of God and titled, Holy Bible. And people believed. And one church killed them if they dared question what was ministered to them from it, and in Latin. When the peasant population in the pews were illiterate, and were seated with their back to the priest because they were unworthy of gazing upon the messenger of God. That certainly doesn't communicate we are all one in Christ Jesus and there is no longer any such thing as slave, free, male, female, Gentile, or Jew in the eyes of God.

So I will tell you this. I believe you are able and have fully demonstrated a capacity to question what was compiled over 1,500 years and was written by more than 40 different men who told us their penning was inspired by God.
I've never thought of those verses you refer to us about God not listening to Sinners. I did do my share of searching those out and they are there. I admit it is a curious thing to find.

29."The LORD [is] far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous." The Book of Proverbs chapter 15

9. "If a person will not listen to Torah, even his prayer is an abomination." The Book of Proverbs chapter 28

The Book of John chapter 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. 32 Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” 34 They answered him, “You were born in utter sin, and would you teach us?” And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[c] 36 He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40 Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, “Are we also blind?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt;[d] but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.

Sinners = ἁμαρτωλός (hamartōlos)
Strong: G268
GK: G283
one who deviates from the path of virtue, a sinner, Mk. 2:17; depraved, Mk. 8:38; sinful, detestable, Rom. 7:13
See everywhere hamartōlos appears in the New Testament via teknia.com.


My suggestion to you is, perhaps God is leading you to find Him in His own way. The Bible tells us, God is not found in buildings made by mortal hands. Would it then be impossible to say God is not found in scrolls written by human hands? Perhaps God, who is all things because all is of and from God, is seeking to have a deeply personal and intimate relationship with you in a way that brings you to him in a way that is not in the scriptures. And because you have studied and found so many questions and what you've said are contradictions, so as to believe in them.

You're not suppose to believe in the Bible. You're suppose to believe in the sacred and Holy Spirit that inspired the Bible. Perhaps He did that so that people that need to read to believe it had that opportunity. Perhaps with you, and being He is in all things and because all things are of and from Him, as He tells us in the Bible, He wants you to know Him in a way you're open to.
You said you were a Christian for many years. And I would presume you arrived at that faith by going to church and reading the Bible. Now you're at this crossroads where it seems you're not so sure about the latter bringing you to the truth of God in Christ. Maybe you can see that as what God intends. Since he would of course know where you are now in life and why. Maybe he's reaching you by leading you to questions. So that you , having arrived at the belief you can believe in God without believing in the Bible, are on your way to reuniting with God again.
When the Bible doesn't speak to you perhaps God is leading you to speak to Him and so He can speak to you in a different way, through a different path of union.

Forget that God doesn't hear the prayer of the sinner. You've said as much as, that's what you've been told and you reject that. OK. Now, consider praying to God as one who is and forever has been one with Him. When all things are created of and from The Creator, there is no thing that is not of and from God. Yes, that is in the Bible and yet it makes sense when God is the source of all there is. Or shall ever be.

I saw your post about the mirror exercise or meditation that helped you and your daughter. Maybe pray that way first. Look into that mirror and into your own God given eyes and pray silently or aloud. You are separated I read so no one will hear you. You have total privacy. Just you and God.
See what happens. Be open though. Don't have expectation.

Because you not only believe in God as far as I can read, you are also seemingly desperate to arrive at that faith that makes you feel secure. Something you came to know you didn't have before or you'd not have had a crisis of faith as you called it. I think you want to be secure in Christ and the knowledge He loves you. (He does. Always has. :D)
Try that. Pray looking into your own eyes in the mirror. If you want to see proof of God there it is. Made in the image and likeness thereof.

God be with you.
 

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Brother? Looks at her boobies,no, not moobs, boobies. OK. :p I'm blessed puppyface, love your profile pic ;) soooo cute. How are you? Blessed I hope.
You’re adorable. 😊
I wrote your name because I was answering eternally grateful as to who I asking about being ignored. Then I followed your name by asking him how he is doing. 😆

And I knew full well I was not the one on your ignore list, I was just goofing off with you. I hope my message finds you and yours well and blessed in the name of the Lord, my sister. 😎❤️
 

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You’re adorable. 😊
I wrote your name because I was answering eternally grateful as to who I asking about being ignored. Then I followed your name by asking him how he is doing. 😆

And I knew full well I was not the one on your ignore list, I was just goofing off with you. I hope my message finds you and yours well and blessed in the name of the Lord, my sister. 😎❤️
:LOL:
It was the way it was written. First , Whisper, and then the rest. I thought you were goofing about and called me brother.
I've known for some time that EG has me on ignore. That's too bad, he doesn't know what he's missing in this cuteness ,good humor and adoreablenesesessss. :ROFL:
 

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Anyone ( such as yourself) who lacks conviction as to the work of righteousness in the life of a born again believer would make such a statement. It is possible however that I am not understanding you correctly .

If you posses some understanding of how we are to enter the kingdom of heaven in other ways than that of righteousness please share with me.
We shall enter into eternity by believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement He secured for our redemption.. All our righteousness are as filthy rags to God.. Trusting in our faulty attempts at righteousness is well a waste of time.. Now trusting in the Righteousness of Jesus well that's another thing entirely :) His righteousness is spotless, without blemish.. His Blood covers us just as the Blood of the lamb on the first Passover in Egypt was put on the house lintel and two side posts and saved that household from the Angel of death that passed over all the houses that where covered by the blood of a lamb.. Now where the Hebrews in those household righteous ? Did the Angle of death pass over their homes because they where good people.. Nope.. They where sinners Even God described them as a stiff necked people.. But God allowed them to live because they believed God and covered themselves with the blood of the lamb.. So now today we can likewise be covered by the Blood of the Lamb of God who takes away our sins..

Salvation can only ever be by Believing God and trusting in the Atonement He secured for us.. Those who try to blend their pathetic faulty efforts of being good into the mix that saves them have made a Huge error.. They have declared that the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ is not enough to save.. They have attempted to share the glory and honor of Jesus.. When the Bible says that all praise and boasting are to and for the LORD Jesus..

Romans 3: KJV

23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; {24} Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: {25} Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; {26} To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. {27} Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. {28} Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
 

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Hey Y’all,
I hope I’m in the right chat this time. I’m just trynna find out what God is finna do bout all this mess?
Create your own thread, rather than hijack an existing thread.
Also, be clear. Your wording couldn't be more vague.
 
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I do believe it

why don’t you?

and why do you continue to,refuse to look at the passages I show you?
What makes you think I ignored them.
What if you're wrong and I'm right? If you believe the bible is God's word why don't you believe all of it?
Why don't you see the verses that tell you in both old and new testaments that God doesn't listen to the prayer of sinners? Why don't you listen to God when he tells you that sinners prayers, sacrifices, are an abomination to him? What would a godly person be but a redeemed sinner? And yet in their sinner state they're an abomination to God? And he doesn't hear their prayers?

That tells you that he saves whom he will. And the rest are an abomination he ignores.
How do you know you're not one of those numbered ones? You don't. Not until you find yourself standing before one of those thrones in heaven so as to know then which one you were. Meanwhile you live your life thinking you're saved. But when God tells you you don't choose him, and you're certain you did, but he chooses you, what are you to think?

And consider that when you read people who tell you feeling has not a thing to do with that answer. You're simply to hold faith you're saved. But what did God tell you?
Those who call on the name of the Lord are saved! How's that happen when the only people who would call on that name are sinners God has already told you many times over and in both testaments, those seeking to be saved, those sinners, are an abomination to him and he doesn't hear them. But he hears the godly who do his will.

Put that together. It's easy. Godly. Of God. God's chosen. God's elect. What's elect mean? The definition? God's elect. When God doesn't hear others prayers who are an abomination.
If you believe the bible why don't you believe all of it?
 
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I don't believe you are here to cause trouble.
I had to cut your post for the room to post mine. Thank you for understanding. :)

I read your post above very carefully. I also read your post history, the few lines that appear in your posts as there are some ten pages for review. In the consideration of time I did not read all of your posts in full. I did find a few topics you replied to that I found of interest and am looking into what those are about on my own.
One thing I noticed you observed and as your personal perspective I'd say, is you believe someone can believe in God but not the Bible.

That's a profound sentence. At least I believe that. I would say in reading that in your posting here that you are not an unbeliever at all. You believe in God from what I read in that sentence, and in what I've read you say in other threads. Particularly as pertains to women being called to ministry. I did read that one because I am female and it was of interest. I do like your perspective in that thread.

I believe God calls people to preach. Humans are only responsible for opining about whom He chose for His service.

I don't want to get sidetracked on that topic here.
I believe you believe in God and you have every right to say you don't believe in the Bible. However, it isn't to say and it should not be something you insist upon, that others do not believe in the Bible. And I did not read you say that I just wanted to state that for the record.
We know, at least any who seek to find out more about the faith and the the history of how the Bible came to us, that indeed more than 40 men were authors of it. And it took over 1500 years to compile.
Then it was called the word of God and titled, Holy Bible. And people believed. And one church killed them if they dared question what was ministered to them from it, and in Latin. When the peasant population in the pews were illiterate, and were seated with their back to the priest because they were unworthy of gazing upon the messenger of God. That certainly doesn't communicate we are all one in Christ Jesus and there is no longer any such thing as slave, free, male, female, Gentile, or Jew in the eyes of God.

So I will tell you this. I believe you are able and have fully demonstrated a capacity to question what was compiled over 1,500 years and was written by more than 40 different men who told us their penning was inspired by God.
I've never thought of those verses you refer to us about God not listening to Sinners. I did do my share of searching those out and they are there. I admit it is a curious thing to find.

29."The LORD [is] far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous." The Book of Proverbs chapter 15

9. "If a person will not listen to Torah, even his prayer is an abomination." The Book of Proverbs chapter 28

The Book of John chapter 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. 32 Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” 34 They answered him, “You were born in utter sin, and would you teach us?” And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[c] 36 He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40 Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, “Are we also blind?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt;[d] but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.

Sinners = ἁμαρτωλός (hamartōlos)
Strong: G268
GK: G283
one who deviates from the path of virtue, a sinner, Mk. 2:17; depraved, Mk. 8:38; sinful, detestable, Rom. 7:13
See everywhere hamartōlos appears in the New Testament via teknia.com.


My suggestion to you is, perhaps God is leading you to find Him in His own way. The Bible tells us, God is not found in buildings made by mortal hands. Would it then be impossible to say God is not found in scrolls written by human hands? Perhaps God, who is all things because all is of and from God, is seeking to have a deeply personal and intimate relationship with you in a way that brings you to him in a way that is not in the scriptures. And because you have studied and found so many questions and what you've said are contradictions, so as to believe in them.

You're not suppose to believe in the Bible. You're suppose to believe in the sacred and Holy Spirit that inspired the Bible. Perhaps He did that so that people that need to read to believe it had that opportunity. Perhaps with you, and being He is in all things and because all things are of and from Him, as He tells us in the Bible, He wants you to know Him in a way you're open to.
You said you were a Christian for many years. And I would presume you arrived at that faith by going to church and reading the Bible. Now you're at this crossroads where it seems you're not so sure about the latter bringing you to the truth of God in Christ. Maybe you can see that as what God intends. Since he would of course know where you are now in life and why. Maybe he's reaching you by leading you to questions. So that you , having arrived at the belief you can believe in God without believing in the Bible, are on your way to reuniting with God again.
When the Bible doesn't speak to you perhaps God is leading you to speak to Him and so He can speak to you in a different way, through a different path of union.

Forget that God doesn't hear the prayer of the sinner. You've said as much as, that's what you've been told and you reject that. OK. Now, consider praying to God as one who is and forever has been one with Him. When all things are created of and from The Creator, there is no thing that is not of and from God. Yes, that is in the Bible and yet it makes sense when God is the source of all there is. Or shall ever be.

I saw your post about the mirror exercise or meditation that helped you and your daughter. Maybe pray that way first. Look into that mirror and into your own God given eyes and pray silently or aloud. You are separated I read so no one will hear you. You have total privacy. Just you and God.
See what happens. Be open though. Don't have expectation.

Because you not only believe in God as far as I can read, you are also seemingly desperate to arrive at that faith that makes you feel secure. Something you came to know you didn't have before or you'd not have had a crisis of faith as you called it. I think you want to be secure in Christ and the knowledge He loves you. (He does. Always has. :D)
Try that. Pray looking into your own eyes in the mirror. If you want to see proof of God there it is. Made in the image and likeness thereof.

God be with you.
Thank you so very much. You give me a lot to think about and I appreciate your insight. You and one other here have demonstrated what the spirit of Christ is said to instill in people.
I will say from what I've seen it isn't hard to tell who here is faking being in Christ.
You my dear are not one of them. Nor is that other dear lady. Thank you again. And may God be with you as well. Though I would say he is already. You're a great example of that spirit. Blessings be with you.
Very sincerely,
Steve.
 

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How many sins does it take for a christian to become aa sinner?

Born a sinner, die a sinner.