How many sins does it take for a christian to become aa sinner? John 9:31 Now we know that God hearth not sinners.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
That's not what the scripture says though.
He doesn't hear their requests? But he hears their request for salvation? "and we have known that God doth not hear sinners, but, if any one may be a worshipper of God, and may do His will, him He doth hear; "
How do we know this? Where else is that in the bible? The Book of Isaiah? “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear”
ok

I guess no one will be saved then.

See you in Hell. Since that is where we all will be headed

Oh and God is a liar. when He says whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Whoever believes in him will not be put to shame. Whoever hears the word. and entrusts their life to him will be sealed. and how he gives those who believe in him the power to become children of God, and stop being unsaved sinners.
 

Adstar

Senior Member
Jul 24, 2016
7,577
3,615
113
That is not the dynamic I am challenging.
I totally agree all men sin.
But you are saying if I take a drink I am a drunk.
You keep on saying that i say things i have never said.. Never said at all.. I must admit to you i do not handle it well when people put words into my mouth.. words i have not said..



But yes all humanoids sin.
If I am an overcomer,I have overcome sin.
Iow it is not that I never will sin again,
If you sin again.. then you have not become sinless have you ??

but if I do,it breaks my heart for my sights are set on walking Holy.
Holy does not mean sinless... Holy means set apart.. We are set apart from those who are destined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire by believing Jesus and trusting in His atonement that pays for our sins.. We are not set apart because we are sinless..


The "saints are sinners" by his own confession has no problem with "unavoidable sin" he sees his walk as carnal from the get go.
I say Saints are sinners because they are... I am stating the Truth..


Paul said "you have not yet resisted sin to the degree of shedding blood" (my paraphrase)
Not only do you put words into my mouth, but you have the audacity to put words into Paul's mouth too.. There is a curse in the Bible in regards to people who add too or take away from the Word of God.. It's in the book of Revelation..
 

PERFECTION

Active member
Aug 14, 2019
222
63
28
Anyone who preaches perfectionism and is not perfect ( All human beings ) will be judged by the perfectioism doctrine they preach and they will be damned.. So please don't say sorry you are in huge danger of eternal damnation..
Anyone ( such as yourself) who lacks conviction as to the work of righteousness in the life of a born again believer would make such a statement. It is possible however that I am not understanding you correctly .

If you posses some understanding of how we are to enter the kingdom of heaven in other ways than that of righteousness please share with me.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
In a time when christians need clear and exact answers (especially new christians) from where will the answer come?

I know there will be disagreements as to the right or wrong answer however the purpose of the question is not to create division among believers the intention is to bring instead a curiosity into the life of these believers who are incline to believe that the eternal promise is worth any and all they have in order to be with Christ.

For we know that all creation is straining ,waiting , growing, that they may witness the manifestation of the Sons of God. How and why would, the mountains , the trees , the rivers , the rocks ,strain , in holding back their voice in high praise to Jesus if not because He has made this possible.

The revealing of those who have become Sons of The Everlasting King. Be yee male or female. You are royalty.
How many sins? Zero.
A Christian cannot revert to what they once were prior to being born again as a new creation in Christ. :D Thank YOU JESUS! :love:
 

notuptome

Senior Member
May 17, 2013
15,050
2,538
113
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Written to believers not to unbelievers. John addressed the epistle to my little children. 1 John2:1

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

CharliRenee

Member
Staff member
Nov 4, 2014
6,693
7,176
113
Well, she hasn't quite come to appreciate it yet, ..... she's kind of worldly... a lot of growing up to do.... she turned 22 years old today... she's in God's Hands... really His daughter anyway....:unsure::love:(y)

Something funny happen.... she brought a game she wanted to play and was sure I would not like it because I love God.... It's called Crimes Against Humanity. I never heard of it. My husband said it was kind of bad and vulgar.

I said, "Well, let me see. Show me the cards.... my daughter said, "Just pick one mom and read it." So, I did.

The card read "Morgan Freeman's voice." I said, "Who is she?" The whole family laughed, they said, "It's not a girl, it''s a man and in a movie he played The Voice of God." I said, "Oh, okay, I would probably like his voice."

We laughed, my daughter said, "Mom only YOU would draw that card. Draw another!" So, I did.

The card read, "The Jews." My daughter said, "WHAT?!! I cannot believe that you drew THAT card! Draw another." So, I did.

The card read, "The Genuine Human Connection." I said, "Oh, that's God with Man on the Earth - Emanuel, that's the ONLY Genuine Human Connection - when God connects with man." My daughter said, "No mom!! How are you doing this?! How are you only drawing THESE cards?!!" Draw ONE MORE!" so, I did.

The card read, "Friendly Fire." I said, "Oh, that's God - He's a consuming Fire yet, to me He's warmth and comfort, He is friendly fire."

"No, No!! I cannot believe you are drawing these cards!! " I said, I like this game. She said, "No, I will not play this game with you, we'll play UNO instead." So, we played UNO. lol! :giggle::love:(y)(y)
Chill bumps how He shines His glory so radiantly. Uno is fun but drawing those cards as you did testified of His presence. WOW, seriously just wow.
 

Lightskin

Well-known member
Aug 16, 2019
3,165
3,665
113
the tax collector got on his knees, unable to even look up, and called out for gods mercy. did God not listen to him because he was a sinner? jesus answered this
IMO the most underrated parable in all Scripture is the Pharisee and Tax Collector.
 
Mar 5, 2020
485
133
43
ok

I guess no one will be saved then.

See you in Hell. Since that is where we all will be headed

Oh and God is a liar. when He says whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Whoever believes in him will not be put to shame. Whoever hears the word. and entrusts their life to him will be sealed. and how he gives those who believe in him the power to become children of God, and stop being unsaved sinners.
I read someone here post a screed that looked to be about a foot and a half long. Didn't use a measure to find out the precise length of their screed because it wasn't worth my time. The whole point of their mouthing off, after they claimed to be a martyr for doing so do to some cutting they'd had previously on their eyes, but evidently it wasn't so uncomfortable that they could sit in front of a monitor and hope to lead members here to kick the dust off their feet and ignore someone who has posted they're seeking to understand what in the scriptures doesn't seem to line up as a consistent teaching, or doesn't appear to not be contradictory.
The image they give of their style of believer is to call people to turn against people who look to understand what appears to be contradictory. Imagine if Jesus was that lame. No one would bear his name today or follow his words.

I've said it before and shall one last time. I'm not here to bring people to anger or upset. I'm not here to make people think I'm not genuine in my observations. I was a Christian for many a year. And then it suddenly dawned on me as I was reading the new testament that i just couldn't ignore what was being attributed God as his words to me.

That's why when I say, in a different way now, that I find it odd that in both the old testament and the new we're told God doesn't listen to sinners. And the only way people communicate to God as we know is through prayer, as far as giving him something to listen to.

Therefore the natural next question is, when God says more than once that he doesn't listen to sinners, but only to those who are godly and do his will, it becomes a curious issue as to how then can sinners ever hope to get God to hear them ask for forgiveness.
But then what arises is all those scriptures that precede the one's about God not listening to sinners, and those scriptures in between, that tell us everything, absolutely everything, is predestined by God because God is sovereign.

If we accept what Sovereign means, and we accept what God says, if we first accept that the bible is God's word to the world, then we have to wonder when we're told God predestines all things that happen due to his zeal for his own glory, if it is true after all. That God saves people. Chooses people whom he will save and did so before there was any sin to be saved from. Knowing our name before the world came to be. Knowing the name of those whom he'd save before the world full of people needing to be saved came to be.

All those scriptures that seem to form one message from the sovereign God that inspired it to be delivered to the world. God predetermined everything that happens here. God predetermined whom he'd save when it came about that people would need to be saved and even knew them by their name so as to write it down in a book of life. That would be opened at their judgment in heaven so their works would determine their reward there.
And that no one who's name is not there is going to enter heaven. And that God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners would necessarily communicate the message coupled with the predetermination of the individuals salvation, that people are by sovereign authority born to die condemned if they're name is not already in that book of life. And there is nothing that they can do to alter that because God doesn't hear their prayers when they are those sinners.

And the passages shared that tells us all we need do is believe and be saved are presupposed to be referring to those who are referred to in other passages when God tells them that no one can come to belief unless God makes it so.

That entire collection of God's words to the world sends one specific message that should call people to wonder if they're one of those chosen by God? Or if they're simply deluded thinking so.
And then there are those people who claim to be saved, and how can they know, who tell other people looking for clarification that faith is not a feeling! That feeling in the security of Christ and his salvation isn't the issue. Isn't important. Or doesn't exist. Holding faith is what should be priority.
But given what I've just described in brief about what God himself tells us, how does one enter their faith and know for sure they're one God predetermined he would save?
And how can they find out if it happens they're not? When that would mean they're that sinner God won't pay attention to if they pray and ask him!

And how do I arrive at all that? Because the Christian who reads the bible needs to think! THINK! Because God gave you a brain for just that. Don't just read the bible and say, I believe and that's it. Think about what it is telling you to believe. Because at the end of it all, your living your faith, even those who are killed holding to it, cannot truly ignore what they don't like to read that is there in God's own words. Namely, you are not saved of yourselves! Your salvation is a gift from God.
What's that translate to say but that you don't chose to be saved! God grants you that gift himself. And there are plenty of passages that tell you this. You don't choose me (Jesus) I choose you! Boy is that direct.

And of coarse that part in scripture where Jesus says, not everyone who cries out Lord, Lord, is known by him! But isn't praying for salvation crying out to the Lord to save you? If you're already saved because you think you choose to follow Christ, why are you then to be judged after you're dead?
Because it is only then that you find out if you were chosen by God to be saved. He tells you this. Why do people not read the bible and realize what is there?
Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord....
And people who claim you don't work for your salvation? When there are passages in the bible that tell you to work out your salvation? What is that but misleading people by telling them salvation isn't something related to work or works?

Luke 13:24 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. "

That's my point. To make people think about what they're being asked to accept in scripture they typically read without thinking about the import behind the message. And to ask why is it anyone needs to "find" faith when God tells you already that YOU don't choose him, so you don't choose to have faith, he chooses you. Which would mean, he holds you in the faith he chooses you to enter. You have nothing to do with any of it.

And why would that be a surprise? When you're told to accept two characteristics in particular about God. He's sovereign, for all that means! And he predestined everything , EVERYTHING, according to HIS WILL and due to his zeal for his own glory.

Some who die and go before the judgment thinking they're bound for heaven will be cast out into outer darkness. Remember the parable of the wedding feast? You have to be invited! You don't just crash it.
 
Mar 5, 2020
485
133
43
How many sins? Zero.
A Christian cannot revert to what they once were prior to being born again as a new creation in Christ. :D Thank YOU JESUS! :love:
That's what it says. Don't be surprised when the anger hits the fan and it blows on you from the direction of hostile people who don't believe that. They prefer to believe they're still that sinner they were before. Which makes them make the entire redemption teaching a lie.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
I read someone here post a screed that looked to be about a foot and a half long. Didn't use a measure to find out the precise length of their screed because it wasn't worth my time. The whole point of their mouthing off, after they claimed to be a martyr for doing so do to some cutting they'd had previously on their eyes, but evidently it wasn't so uncomfortable that they could sit in front of a monitor and hope to lead members here to kick the dust off their feet and ignore someone who has posted they're seeking to understand what in the scriptures doesn't seem to line up as a consistent teaching, or doesn't appear to not be contradictory.
The image they give of their style of believer is to call people to turn against people who look to understand what appears to be contradictory. Imagine if Jesus was that lame. No one would bear his name today or follow his words.

I've said it before and shall one last time. I'm not here to bring people to anger or upset. I'm not here to make people think I'm not genuine in my observations. I was a Christian for many a year. And then it suddenly dawned on me as I was reading the new testament that i just couldn't ignore what was being attributed God as his words to me.

That's why when I say, in a different way now, that I find it odd that in both the old testament and the new we're told God doesn't listen to sinners. And the only way people communicate to God as we know is through prayer, as far as giving him something to listen to.

Therefore the natural next question is, when God says more than once that he doesn't listen to sinners, but only to those who are godly and do his will, it becomes a curious issue as to how then can sinners ever hope to get God to hear them ask for forgiveness.
But then what arises is all those scriptures that precede the one's about God not listening to sinners, and those scriptures in between, that tell us everything, absolutely everything, is predestined by God because God is sovereign.

If we accept what Sovereign means, and we accept what God says, if we first accept that the bible is God's word to the world, then we have to wonder when we're told God predestines all things that happen due to his zeal for his own glory, if it is true after all. That God saves people. Chooses people whom he will save and did so before there was any sin to be saved from. Knowing our name before the world came to be. Knowing the name of those whom he'd save before the world full of people needing to be saved came to be.

All those scriptures that seem to form one message from the sovereign God that inspired it to be delivered to the world. God predetermined everything that happens here. God predetermined whom he'd save when it came about that people would need to be saved and even knew them by their name so as to write it down in a book of life. That would be opened at their judgment in heaven so their works would determine their reward there.
And that no one who's name is not there is going to enter heaven. And that God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners would necessarily communicate the message coupled with the predetermination of the individuals salvation, that people are by sovereign authority born to die condemned if they're name is not already in that book of life. And there is nothing that they can do to alter that because God doesn't hear their prayers when they are those sinners.

And the passages shared that tells us all we need do is believe and be saved are presupposed to be referring to those who are referred to in other passages when God tells them that no one can come to belief unless God makes it so.

That entire collection of God's words to the world sends one specific message that should call people to wonder if they're one of those chosen by God? Or if they're simply deluded thinking so.
And then there are those people who claim to be saved, and how can they know, who tell other people looking for clarification that faith is not a feeling! That feeling in the security of Christ and his salvation isn't the issue. Isn't important. Or doesn't exist. Holding faith is what should be priority.
But given what I've just described in brief about what God himself tells us, how does one enter their faith and know for sure they're one God predetermined he would save?
And how can they find out if it happens they're not? When that would mean they're that sinner God won't pay attention to if they pray and ask him!

And how do I arrive at all that? Because the Christian who reads the bible needs to think! THINK! Because God gave you a brain for just that. Don't just read the bible and say, I believe and that's it. Think about what it is telling you to believe. Because at the end of it all, your living your faith, even those who are killed holding to it, cannot truly ignore what they don't like to read that is there in God's own words. Namely, you are not saved of yourselves! Your salvation is a gift from God.
What's that translate to say but that you don't chose to be saved! God grants you that gift himself. And there are plenty of passages that tell you this. You don't choose me (Jesus) I choose you! Boy is that direct.

And of coarse that part in scripture where Jesus says, not everyone who cries out Lord, Lord, is known by him! But isn't praying for salvation crying out to the Lord to save you? If you're already saved because you think you choose to follow Christ, why are you then to be judged after you're dead?
Because it is only then that you find out if you were chosen by God to be saved. He tells you this. Why do people not read the bible and realize what is there?
Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord....
And people who claim you don't work for your salvation? When there are passages in the bible that tell you to work out your salvation? What is that but misleading people by telling them salvation isn't something related to work or works?

Luke 13:24 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. "

That's my point. To make people think about what they're being asked to accept in scripture they typically read without thinking about the import behind the message. And to ask why is it anyone needs to "find" faith when God tells you already that YOU don't choose him, so you don't choose to have faith, he chooses you. Which would mean, he holds you in the faith he chooses you to enter. You have nothing to do with any of it.

And why would that be a surprise? When you're told to accept two characteristics in particular about God. He's sovereign, for all that means! And he predestined everything , EVERYTHING, according to HIS WILL and due to his zeal for his own glory.

Some who die and go before the judgment thinking they're bound for heaven will be cast out into outer darkness. Remember the parable of the wedding feast? You have to be invited! You don't just crash it.
Your missing the point

It is the will of God that ALL who see and believe will be saved (john 6)

since a sinner can not be saved until he is washed, and since we can not be washed until we are justified. and since we are justified by faith.

well then. God listens to sinners who call out for Gods mercy.

I am dumbfounded as to why this is so hard for people to understand.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
That's what it says. Don't be surprised when the anger hits the fan and it blows on you from the direction of hostile people who don't believe that. They prefer to believe they're still that sinner they were before. Which makes them make the entire redemption teaching a lie.
who are you talking to?
 
Mar 5, 2020
485
133
43
Your missing the point

It is the will of God that ALL who see and believe will be saved (john 6)

since a sinner can not be saved until he is washed, and since we can not be washed until we are justified. and since we are justified by faith.

well then. God listens to sinners who call out for Gods mercy.

I am dumbfounded as to why this is so hard for people to understand.
I'm dumbfounded that people say they believe the bible contains the words of God.And then say they don't believe what it says when they don't like what is pointed out as to be found written there.
 

PERFECTION

Active member
Aug 14, 2019
222
63
28
How many sins? Zero.
A Christian cannot revert to what they once were prior to being born again as a new creation in Christ. :D Thank YOU JESUS! :love:
How many sins? Zero.
A Christian cannot revert to what they once were prior to being born again as a new creation in Christ. :D Thank YOU JESUS! :love:
Anyone who preaches perfectionism and is not perfect ( All human beings ) will be judged by the perfectioism doctrine they preach and they will be damned.. So please don't say sorry you are in huge danger of eternal damnation..
AMEN AND AMEN ,HALLELUJAH, AND A THOUSAND HALLELUJAHS!!! We are indeed new creations those who are born again no longer under the bondage of sin.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
That's what it says. Don't be surprised when the anger hits the fan and it blows on you from the direction of hostile people who don't believe that. They prefer to believe they're still that sinner they were before. Which makes them make the entire redemption teaching a lie.
I do find it odd that someone would believe they as a redeemed one in Christ insist they are still the sinner that God said needed saving.


They have my account on ignore. That is why all they saw was your response to me, but they didn't see what I had said so that you felt you should respond.
If you go to a member name on any given post, mouse under that name with the pointer, and a box will drop down. There is the member profile and then you'll see a little box that says, "ignore". If you click that you will put that person on your ignore list. This means no matter what they post you'll never know because not even their name appears in a thread.
You'll know if they've responded in a thread if you scroll to the bottom of the thread page. There's a box that has a message about ignored content. If you mouse cursor over or under that box you'll see the list of people on your ignore list. You can click that box to have all those ignored people's posts appear on that thread page. If you choose to not ignore someone in future just do the same thing you did to ignore that person. Click, "unignore". Or, on your profile, which you'll see if you mouse cursor your own name in a thread, or click your profile picture at the top of the forum page, you'll see a window drop down too. On the right side of that window is a link that reads, "ignoring". Click that and it will take you to the list of all names on your ignore list.
There will be a button near those names that you can click to take that person off that list as well.

Hope that helps you. Welcome to the community. :)
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
AMEN AND AMEN ,HALLELUJAH, AND A THOUSAND HALLELUJAHS!!! We are indeed new creations those who are born again no longer under the bondage of sin.
Amen!
Christian's aren't perfect they're just forgiven!
As a new creation in Christ I am a redeemed sinner. Not a living current one.
That isn't to say the Christian is perfect. That is to say they are being perfected. Because while we do make mistakes, those are not counted against us as they once were. As sins, that would lead to our damnation. That is why I refuse to accept I am a sinner still. Because if I were one that would mean nothing as pertains to repentance and thereafter the work of God in me changed a thing about me.
How could I ever answer to God at the judgment and say, yes Lord, I referred to myself as a sinning Christian! Why?
And expect him not to weep that I was one so ignorant all that lifetime. And worse, far worse, if I referred to myself as that to others. So they would then be led to believe what it means to be a Christian.

That isn't the living testament of rebirth I would like to send to anyone.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
I read someone here post a screed that looked to be about a foot and a half long. Didn't use a measure to find out the precise length of their screed because it wasn't worth my time. The whole point of their mouthing off, after they claimed to be a martyr for doing so do to some cutting they'd had previously on their eyes, but evidently it wasn't so uncomfortable that they could sit in front of a monitor and hope to lead members here to kick the dust off their feet and ignore someone who has posted they're seeking to understand what in the scriptures doesn't seem to line up as a consistent teaching, or doesn't appear to not be contradictory.
The image they give of their style of believer is to call people to turn against people who look to understand what appears to be contradictory. Imagine if Jesus was that lame. No one would bear his name today or follow his words.

I've said it before and shall one last time. I'm not here to bring people to anger or upset. I'm not here to make people think I'm not genuine in my observations. I was a Christian for many a year. And then it suddenly dawned on me as I was reading the new testament that i just couldn't ignore what was being attributed God as his words to me.

That's why when I say, in a different way now, that I find it odd that in both the old testament and the new we're told God doesn't listen to sinners. And the only way people communicate to God as we know is through prayer, as far as giving him something to listen to.

Therefore the natural next question is, when God says more than once that he doesn't listen to sinners, but only to those who are godly and do his will, it becomes a curious issue as to how then can sinners ever hope to get God to hear them ask for forgiveness.
But then what arises is all those scriptures that precede the one's about God not listening to sinners, and those scriptures in between, that tell us everything, absolutely everything, is predestined by God because God is sovereign.

If we accept what Sovereign means, and we accept what God says, if we first accept that the bible is God's word to the world, then we have to wonder when we're told God predestines all things that happen due to his zeal for his own glory, if it is true after all. That God saves people. Chooses people whom he will save and did so before there was any sin to be saved from. Knowing our name before the world came to be. Knowing the name of those whom he'd save before the world full of people needing to be saved came to be.

All those scriptures that seem to form one message from the sovereign God that inspired it to be delivered to the world. God predetermined everything that happens here. God predetermined whom he'd save when it came about that people would need to be saved and even knew them by their name so as to write it down in a book of life. That would be opened at their judgment in heaven so their works would determine their reward there.
And that no one who's name is not there is going to enter heaven. And that God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners would necessarily communicate the message coupled with the predetermination of the individuals salvation, that people are by sovereign authority born to die condemned if they're name is not already in that book of life. And there is nothing that they can do to alter that because God doesn't hear their prayers when they are those sinners.

And the passages shared that tells us all we need do is believe and be saved are presupposed to be referring to those who are referred to in other passages when God tells them that no one can come to belief unless God makes it so.

That entire collection of God's words to the world sends one specific message that should call people to wonder if they're one of those chosen by God? Or if they're simply deluded thinking so.
And then there are those people who claim to be saved, and how can they know, who tell other people looking for clarification that faith is not a feeling! That feeling in the security of Christ and his salvation isn't the issue. Isn't important. Or doesn't exist. Holding faith is what should be priority.
But given what I've just described in brief about what God himself tells us, how does one enter their faith and know for sure they're one God predetermined he would save?
And how can they find out if it happens they're not? When that would mean they're that sinner God won't pay attention to if they pray and ask him!

And how do I arrive at all that? Because the Christian who reads the bible needs to think! THINK! Because God gave you a brain for just that. Don't just read the bible and say, I believe and that's it. Think about what it is telling you to believe. Because at the end of it all, your living your faith, even those who are killed holding to it, cannot truly ignore what they don't like to read that is there in God's own words. Namely, you are not saved of yourselves! Your salvation is a gift from God.
What's that translate to say but that you don't chose to be saved! God grants you that gift himself. And there are plenty of passages that tell you this. You don't choose me (Jesus) I choose you! Boy is that direct.

And of coarse that part in scripture where Jesus says, not everyone who cries out Lord, Lord, is known by him! But isn't praying for salvation crying out to the Lord to save you? If you're already saved because you think you choose to follow Christ, why are you then to be judged after you're dead?
Because it is only then that you find out if you were chosen by God to be saved. He tells you this. Why do people not read the bible and realize what is there?
Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord....
And people who claim you don't work for your salvation? When there are passages in the bible that tell you to work out your salvation? What is that but misleading people by telling them salvation isn't something related to work or works?

Luke 13:24 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. "

That's my point. To make people think about what they're being asked to accept in scripture they typically read without thinking about the import behind the message. And to ask why is it anyone needs to "find" faith when God tells you already that YOU don't choose him, so you don't choose to have faith, he chooses you. Which would mean, he holds you in the faith he chooses you to enter. You have nothing to do with any of it.

And why would that be a surprise? When you're told to accept two characteristics in particular about God. He's sovereign, for all that means! And he predestined everything , EVERYTHING, according to HIS WILL and due to his zeal for his own glory.

Some who die and go before the judgment thinking they're bound for heaven will be cast out into outer darkness. Remember the parable of the wedding feast? You have to be invited! You don't just crash it.
I replied to your shorter post because I've just sat through a very long video about Charles Spurgeon in a different thread.
You've said quite a lot there and brought into that reply many different points that all seem to point to one. And I will say having read that, and I'll read your other posts so as to get a feel for your reason for being here, tells me in just reading this post above that you're hurting. :( Otherwise, why would you put so much time into what looks to be one concern with many avenues leading to it.

I'm going to get something to eat, decompress a bit from working and being on the site, and I'll get back to you with a sincere heart and hope to help you through. I'll leave this window tabbed no my toolbar so as to find your post right away. I won't forget about you. I did skim your very long post. However, when I return I will give it the time and attention it deserves, I promise.

In the meantime I'd like to tell you, I'll hold you in my prayers. It breaks my heart that you appear at least to me to be hurting, and afraid, and confused about what you've been told before now.
God sees you! Never doubt that. You're part of God and that means you are never removed from his attention.

 
S

Swolforjesus

Guest
Hey Y’all,
I hope I’m in the right chat this time. I’m just trynna find out what God is finna do bout all this mess?
 

Lightskin

Well-known member
Aug 16, 2019
3,165
3,665
113
Anyone ( such as yourself) who lacks conviction as to the work of righteousness in the life of a born again believer would make such a statement. It is possible however that I am not understanding you correctly .

If you posses some understanding of how we are to enter the kingdom of heaven in other ways than that of righteousness please share with me.
By whose righteousness do we enter Heaven?