How many times should someone read the Bible before teaching/forming strong opinions?

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Beckon

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What about the scripture John 16:13 & Matthew 15:9 & Mark 7:7 & Luke 12:12 &John 14:26 & 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 & Hebrew 8:11-13 &
1John 2:27 When one is Christ anointed they need no human to teach them for they abide in/with The Spirit Of Eternal Truth as Jesus lived & taught from!
Again Jesus parable taught, we need no one or thing physical to teach us, if we look to & follow The Eternal Spirit of (Love) Truth teachings accredited to Christ
The Spirit Of Eternal Truth will guide any who follow (respectfully) "IT" from within, into all truth, into oneness with God/All's Eternal Truth!
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1still_waters

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What about the scripture John 16:13 & Matthew 15:9 & Mark 7:7 & Luke 12:12 &John 14:26 & 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 & Hebrew 8:11-13 &
1John 2:27 When one is Christ anointed they need no human to teach them for they abide in/with The Spirit Of Eternal Truth as Jesus lived & taught from!
Beckon


that parable says, we need no human to teach us
The Spirit Of Eternal Truth will guide any who follow (respectfully) "IT" from within, into all truth, into oneness with God/All's Eternal Truth!
I'll address a few of your verses.

1 John 2
[SUP]26 [/SUP]These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will[SUP][e][/SUP] abide in Him.
What was going on in the early church were people who were going around teaching doctrines that were NOT from the apostles. So when John says that no one else needs to teach them, what he's saying is they don't need some other non-apostle teachings. The anointing he speaks of is the apostles doctrine. For it teaches all things.

We see this in Acts..

Acts 2
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then those who gladly[SUP][a][/SUP] received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. [SUP]42 [/SUP]And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.
So we don't need to go looking for revelation outside of what God revealed through the apostles. We don't need something else to teach us, because that anointing teaches us.

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You also mentioned John 16 as a text that may indicate we don't need teachers...

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [SUP]13 [/SUP]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.[SUP][c][/SUP]
He's talking to the early believers.
He's indicating that he still has things that need to be revealed.
Those things will be revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.
Those things WERE revealed to them.
What were those things?
The Apostles doctrine as I showed you from Acts 2 above.


Think about it, if all these verses meant that there was not a need for teachers, then why do we see the gift of teaching in scripture?

1 Tim 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;

1 Tim 4:11
These things command and teach.

See there are some who like to seize upon verses that indicate teachers aren't needed.
But when read in context of scripture, it's clear that teachers are needed.
Beware of people who say teachers aren't needed, because often they use that as a way to dismiss past teachings, so they can promote their own brand of doctrine.

Also point out to these folks, that if teachers weren't needed, then they wouldn't be needed to teach us that teachers aren't needed.
 

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The only person that should began a ministry is one that has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Jesus did not begin His ministry until baptised with the Holy Spirit.
ri-i-i-i-ight.
 
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NiceneCreed

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Ok I think folks are seriously missing the point.

If one is going to have STRONG opinions on things in the Bible, doesn't it make sense that they should at least have read ALL of it once or twice? What' does it say about someone if they're going about debating/promoting all of these strong opinioned views on scripture, if they haven't even read the entire book they have such an strong opinion about?
Why didn't you just come out and say that in the first place?
 
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richie_2uk

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Well the question is? Is there a set number of times you should read your bible? I don't think there is. If you have read your bible from cover to cover, then that's great. The question is then, how much of it have you buried every word your read in your heart and soul? I think once you read it through the whole bible. It wont hurt to read it again, for witnessing purposes, or for studying or for quoting the correct quote rather from your memory. There is no set amount of times your Should read the bible.

There are those People who give opinions are from there own initial thoughts on the matter. hence why some opinions are read wrong, led astray, and misinformed, or caused arguments. Because there was no back up of what they read from the bible itself. hence why no scriptures when they gave there opinions.
 
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1still_waters

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Why didn't you just come out and say that in the first place?
I did. It was all the line blurring, hedging, and over spiritualizing that muddied it.
 
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NiceneCreed

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Or put another way...

Before you go promoting your "expert" strong opinioned view on something in scripture, shouldn't you ask yourself.. "Hmmm have I at least read this book at least once?"

And if you haven't..then maybe one should just squelch it, until you have at least read the Bible ONE time all the way through.

Now obviously I'm not talking about things like sharing your testimony, or the simplicity of salvation. If you think that's what I'm talking about, please read the sentence before this one a few more times until that gets sunk in your mind. :p

Perhaps this verse sums up the answer to your question:

"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" (2Timothy 2:15, NIV, 2011).

I do agree that one must read the Bible to have an understanding of what is contained within its pages. It is quite pretentious for an individual to claim they possess knowledge not yet attained.



Grace and Peace!
 
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Reformedjason

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NO ONE has the supernatural gifts of languages today.
that gift ceased, just as it was intended to.
I could possibly believe that as well, but I have not seen absolute proof in scripture. If it is still active it would be used as it was originally intended, to witness to people that speak in a different language. I do however lean in the same direction as you.
 

JaumeJ

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NO ONE has the supernatural gifts of languages today.
that gift ceased, just as it was intended to.
Are you saying the Holy Spirit is no longer? The Father still manifests His gifts in willing servants. This will never change. When reading the Word there is no mention of the gifts ceasing in the present age, albeit there are those guided by misplaced intellectual endeavor who have the theory that somehow the gifts have ceased. As long as our Maker is in Three persons, the Holy Spirit is here for all who believe.
People who believe are permitted only to report and confess what they know by the Holy Spirit. You may consider us all quite mad if you wish, but approaching the Father and His will as an intellectual is certain failure in all.
 

duewell

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to me there are two kinds of teachers for the bible. one is a scholarly knowledge of the bible, another is a spiritual knowledge of the bible. there are many with scholarly knowledge and few with spiritual knowledge. whats funny is that those with spiritual knowledge of the bible who try to teach are at times told by the scholars that they are incorrect in their understanding.

1 cor 2:14. has helped me deal with the frustration of the inability i sometimes have in dealing with the scholars. its why i don't post like i used to. i feel that if you understand the bible through scholarly knowledge, you should teach who ever will listen. those seeds will bear fruit in ways you might not even understand. i feel its nearly impossible to teach the spiritual knowledge to others. only the Spirit can teach it. those with spiritual understanding of the bible make a better witness than a lawyer. have faith in the peace and love of God and do not discount what spiritual gifts others may have been given. the bible is not just a book to be read it is an experience to be witnessed.

the majority of people who debate the meaning of the bible seem to be the ones who have not actually experienced it. once you experience the bible, the debate is kinda over. you cant read a cookbook and tell me how the dinner i am eating will taste if you have not already eaten it yourself. it can be pretty clear at times who has eaten and who has not. in the end we all serve the will of God and just do your best to try and explain the scholarly knowledge or the spiritual knowledge that you have been given. everything in the bible is true, there is a God, Jesus is his son and the Spirit cant stop :)

duewell
mark 4 v11-13
 

JaumeJ

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How many times our Lord would teach the Gospel to those eager to hear the Words of Salvation while many, not all, of the scribes and pharisees, though men of the cloth, were not men of the spirit.

These latter did not understand, yet they presumed to tell our Lord He was in error. One of Yeshua's most telling lessons on this subject is simple and to the point. He said had they not said they see, when they were actually blind, they would not be guilty, but having said they see their guilt remains.

May Yahweh have mercy and give light to those who yet walk in darkness, amen.
 
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I notice there are a lot of people with really strong opinions on things in the Bible.
Often I find myself wondering, "How many of these people have read the entire Bible? How many of them have read it more than once?"

Then that question leads me to thinking, "How many times should someone read the Bible before they develop strong opinions on what's in the Bible? How many times should one read the Bible before they go about teaching, arguing, debating about stuff in it?"

I'm not talking about the simple fact of "Jesus is the only way to salvation."
That's a simple given thing even the newest believer should be firm on.
So let's exclude that issue from this debate/discussion.

Outside of having a strong opinion on Jesus being the only way to salvation, how many times should one read the Bible before they develop strong opinions on things, and how many times should one read the Bible before they go about debating/teaching/etc, said strong opinion/views?
Luke 6:42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

zone

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How many times our Lord would teach the Gospel to those eager to hear the Words of Salvation while many, not all, of the scribes and pharisees, though men of the cloth, were not men of the spirit.

These latter did not understand, yet they presumed to tell our Lord He was in error. One of Yeshua's most telling lessons on this subject is simple and to the point. He said had they not said they see, when they were actually blind, they would not be guilty, but having said they see their guilt remains.

May Yahweh have mercy and give light to those who yet walk in darkness, amen.
all that is so true.
the Pharisees remain in that state today.
yet we have a lot who profess they know the LORD who love the things of the Pharisees more than the LORD.
it's ironic that they admire the enemies of the cross and seek to emulate them.
but it's evidenced in their projecting the historical Pharisees traits and behavior toward Jesus and His real disciples onto Christians.

they prefer the things of the Pharisees because they believe it makes them more spiritual.
but because they are anti-intellectual, they are not even aware of what they have become.

they experience the bible, so to speak, by inserting themselves into every narrative.
taking to themselves what was never said to them, nor given to them.
they devise contrived manners of speech that sound spirutual, and
they strive to appear/sound outwardly religious to others.


The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple. All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.

apparently they want the reality of what they love to go away from public view.

they don't mention Shaul much.
they don't like to experience the book of Galatians.

Galatians 2
11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; so that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.


babbling incoherently in gibberish seems spiritual.
but because they are anti-intellectual and anti-scholarship, they don't understand what the gift really was.
and they can't stand it if others do know.

endless religious speeches are not simple and to the point.

full-circle to the real neo-Pharisees projecting onto others what they themselves are.
huh.
 
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JaumeJ

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is that the best you can do?
I asked you a simple question, and I merit an honest reply. The teachings and the sharings here are Christian Fellowship in Bible discussion.
 

zone

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I asked you a simple question, and I merit an honest reply. The teachings and the sharings here are Christian Fellowship in Bible discussion.
Christian fellowship?

no, you asked an absurd question to set the foundation for what followed.
because it's just easier (laziness) to blurt out such a ridiculous question than it is to study and know...that the gifts ceased
as GOD HIMSELF ordained.

you struggle with the LORD, jack. not me.

my rely is, try asking questions honestly if you want an honest reply.
 
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experience i find to be the best teacher, i can share my experience, but one needs to experience their own relationship with Jesus, i can't experience that for them.
 

zone

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experience i find to be the best teacher, i can share my experience, but one needs to experience their own relationship with Jesus, i can't experience that for them.
experience is the best teacher?
really?

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neatly blending that with a relationship with Jesus. hmm...

not one of us has seen God.
not one of us has seen Jesus.

where did He reveal Himself to us, who did not see Him?
where do we go to be fed by Him, to learn of what He said to us?

into ourselves?
to others?
to our experiences?

or to His written word, which is living and active?
 

JaumeJ

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It is my desire for all, even you, to be right with Yeshua. My post says nothing about anyone struggling with the Lord. His Blood is the salvation of all who call upon Him in spirit and truth. I am washed in the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh.

The only mention of a struggle was put out by you, therefore, my only thought possible is that the struggle must be on your part. I pray you get right with Him and with His Body members here in this age, and that right soon.

Because you have perverted what I have posted in another attempt to get others on board I am doing the correct thing, unsubscribing, please do not follow me around where I am in conversation on the Word. It is unseemly.

How many times our Lord would teach the Gospel to those eager to hear the Words of Salvation while many, not all, of the scribes and pharisees, though men of the cloth, were not men of the spirit.

These latter did not understand, yet they presumed to tell our Lord He was in error. One of Yeshua's most telling lessons on this subject is simple and to the point. He said had they not said they see, when they were actually blind, they would not be guilty, but having said they see their guilt remains.

May Yahweh have mercy and give light to those who yet walk in darkness, amen.
Christian fellowship?

no, you asked an absurd question to set the foundation for what followed.
because it's just easier (laziness) to blurt out such a ridiculous question than it is to study and know...that the gifts ceased
as GOD HIMSELF ordained.

you struggle with the LORD, jack. not me.

my rely is, try asking questions honestly if you want an honest reply.