HOW MUCH MORE THROUGH THE ONE, JESUS CHRIST!

PennEd · Mar 9, 2018

Ahhh... Joanie, Joanie, Joanie! What to do with you? YOUR 1st paragraph is beautiful and true. Why you had to add that story is beyond me.

Ok, first the agreement. God loves us with an everlasting love and we are His Children if we are born again. And absolutely He ALWAYS has our best interests at heart. BUT....

Man, this "God has faith in you" and "believes in You" is a trainwreck of unbelievable proportions!

Where in Scripture does it say God has faith in us? And where in Scripture does it say God is happy with us?

God has Faith in, and is happy with, HIS SON ALONE! Yeah, I think He is going to delight in us, THROUGH His Son, in our resurrected form, but we MUST STOP putting the emphasis on US, and put it back on Him!

WE have Faith in HIM NOT the other way around.

joaniemarie · Mar 9, 2018

PennEd., PennEd., PennEd.., "Lord love ya" as my Irish grandma used to say. It's always about God our Father and how much He loves us in Christ. It's not about how we love Him., but how we learn to love Him by seeing His love and grace FOR us. It's how He teaches us. We love Him because He FIRST loved us. I'm sorry you didn't read the good article about "Perspective" It's all about perspective PennEd. And ours has to be from the perspective of how much God loves us and can do it legally because of Jesus.

People generally believe the story about the Prodigal son is about the son. But really it's about the Father imo. Have you ever looked at that story Jesus told in Luke 15:11-32 Check out vs.20

[SUP]20 [/SUP]So he got up and came to his [own] father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was moved with pity and tenderness [for him]; and he ran and embraced him and kissed him [[SUP][a][/SUP]fervently].

The Father was the Father at all times. The Father is always ready to love us., He is waiting for us to come home so He can love us without our stupid religious ideas about how we have to be "worthy" in ourselves. The Father makes us worthy. Notice as you read the rest of the story. The Father re-established the son as he is.. A son of the Father. The son was all set to be a servant because he knew the Father was an amazing master of the servants. The prodigal son was happy to be a servant in the masters household. But it was the Father who maintained the relationship. That's love and grace.

I asked you to see it from the Father's perspective. And I figured you having sons yourself would find a common thread here.
So., I'll ask you to read it again. See what you come up with. It's about His love for us.. not our love for Him. We need to know without a shadow of a doubt we are loved. What did it do for you when you knew your dad loved you and was proud of you and wanted you around?

For me it made all the difference in the world. But without that kind of love even in a limited human sense., girls go off searching for it. So do sons. It takes time to unlearn the servant mentality of God and the creation. We are now sons and heirs and joint heirs with Christ. We are part of the beloved. We serve God because we are sons and loved and it's our new nature to love Him and serve Him.

Jesus is in heaven as a human., one of us. What a thought! God loved us that much to send His Son to become one of us to be the first of MANY brethren. Again... It's about perspective and we have to always strive to see it from God's perspective in and through Christ.. And the Holy Spirit always points us to Jesus.

joaniemarie · Mar 9, 2018

joaniemarie said:

When we know we are loved unconditionally in Christ as sons... heirs and joint heirs with Him., having received the free gift of righteousness (right standing before God) we will be able to deal with anything that the world., the flesh and the devil throw at us. And we will have the ability to "reign" in life through Jesus Christ.

"Religion teaches us to be "servants" of God instead of being sons of God that serve in the Kingdom by His grace and power and direction. Yes, while in this "earth suit" we have as enemies - the world ( it's belief system ), the flesh ( with the power of sin in it that speaks to us in our own unique ways ) and the devil ( the accuser of the brethren and the liar ) BUT our Lord Jesus conquered them all. We must learn to live from the new creation realities now that we are in Christ and He is in us!"

Depleted · Mar 9, 2018

Since this is the post-'em-as-I-see-'em thread, let me join in yet again.

Joe is all about how we can fix god to give us what we want. Chuck is all about glorying in God. Not what he can get out of God, but who the Lord is.

This is the real God, yet again.

Spurgeon. The one Joan keeps saying she reads so much of.

“Yea, he is altogether lovely.”
Songs 5:16

The superlative beauty of Jesus is all-attracting; it is not so much to be admired as to be loved. He is more than pleasant and fair, he is lovely. Surely the people of God can fully justify the use of this golden word, for he is the object of their warmest love, a love founded on the intrinsic excellence of his person, the complete perfection of his charms. Look, O disciples of Jesus, to your Master’s lips, and say, “Are they not most sweet?” Do not his words cause your hearts to burn within you as he talks with you by the way? Ye worshippers of Immanuel, look up to his head of much fine gold, and tell me, are not his thoughts precious unto you? Is not your adoration sweetened with affection as ye humbly bow before that countenance which is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars? Is there not a charm in his every feature, and is not his whole person fragrant with such a savour of his good ointments, that therefore the virgins love him? Is there one member of his glorious body which is not attractive?-one portion of his person which is not a fresh lodestone to our souls?-one office which is not a strong cord to bind your heart? Our love is not as a seal set upon his heart of love alone; it is fastened upon his arm of power also; nor is there a single part of him upon which it does not fix itself. We anoint his whole person with the sweet spikenard of our fervent love. His whole life we would imitate; his whole character we would transcribe. In all other beings we see some lack, in him there is all perfection. The best even of his favoured saints have had blots upon their garments and wrinkles upon their brows; he is nothing but loveliness. All earthly suns have their spots: the fair world itself hath its wilderness; we cannot love the whole of the most lovely thing; but Christ Jesus is gold without alloy-light without darkness-glory without cloud-”Yea, he is altogether lovely.”

(And for those interested, I did have to learn what spikenard was. It's the plant used for balsam.)

Noose · Mar 9, 2018

joaniemarie, i really feel sorry for the personal attacks you receive for this thread. I think it is a genuine heartfelt message which shouldn't be tossed out as lies- a lie is only a lie if it is deliberate. It is always good if we can engage in meekness and have a genuine discussion about anything.

I do believe that man can live forever but death is ordained for us because sin entered the world and we are born in sin. It is very scriptural that some people are going to be shelved from death in this last days because they know God (are faithful to God). these are the 144k believers.

Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Rev 14:1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

The bible suggests that these 144k believers are not going to die because they are protected from the great tribulation. The great tribulation is basically death through wars/famine (natural disasters)/pestilences (diseases)/beasts of the earth. These people are faithful because they fully know God, the other group of believers aka church of Smyrna are considered unfaithful believers because they don't know God- these are the majority of believers, they will face the tribulation and will die (Antichrist kills them).

We need to understand what sin is; it is not the thoughts and deeds, these are but a manifestation of sin. Sin is a spirit/mind. Sin=Lie=death also symbolically represented as darkness. God=Truth=life also symbolically represented as light. Sin is also by design.

Only God lives forever and everything else (creation) can not live forever, otherwise God would have created God, so when sin enters the world, death comes- not only death, even non living things have to decay. we can also say God is light and every creation is darkness- but God loves man because he is in His image, so God wants to be with man forever. the only hope for man to live forever is to be one with God- God in him and him in God so that they are one, hence the concept of the Father and son.
The 144k are considered to have the whole truth in them and no lie is found in them.

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joaniemarie said:

And once again, it comes down to if we live just right, what can we grab from God. But, fear not, we're still in full control, because we're the ones "dealing" with it.

Religion doesn't teach us we are servants. God does! What do princes and princesses do? Serve their parents and kingdom.

Religion teaches us we are in control.

PennEd · Mar 9, 2018

Depleted said:

Since this is the post-'em-as-I-see-'em thread, let me join in yet again.

Joe is all about how we can fix god to give us what we want. Chuck is all about glorying in God. Not what he can get out of God, but who the Lord is.

This is the real God, yet again.

Spurgeon. The one Joan keeps saying she reads so much of.

“Yea, he is altogether lovely.”
Songs 5:16

The superlative beauty of Jesus is all-attracting; it is not so much to be admired as to be loved. He is more than pleasant and fair, he is lovely. Surely the people of God can fully justify the use of this golden word, for he is the object of their warmest love, a love founded on the intrinsic excellence of his person, the complete perfection of his charms. Look, O disciples of Jesus, to your Master’s lips, and say, “Are they not most sweet?” Do not his words cause your hearts to burn within you as he talks with you by the way? Ye worshippers of Immanuel, look up to his head of much fine gold, and tell me, are not his thoughts precious unto you? Is not your adoration sweetened with affection as ye humbly bow before that countenance which is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars? Is there not a charm in his every feature, and is not his whole person fragrant with such a savour of his good ointments, that therefore the virgins love him? Is there one member of his glorious body which is not attractive?-one portion of his person which is not a fresh lodestone to our souls?-one office which is not a strong cord to bind your heart? Our love is not as a seal set upon his heart of love alone; it is fastened upon his arm of power also; nor is there a single part of him upon which it does not fix itself. We anoint his whole person with the sweet spikenard of our fervent love. His whole life we would imitate; his whole character we would transcribe. In all other beings we see some lack, in him there is all perfection. The best even of his favoured saints have had blots upon their garments and wrinkles upon their brows; he is nothing but loveliness. All earthly suns have their spots: the fair world itself hath its wilderness; we cannot love the whole of the most lovely thing; but Christ Jesus is gold without alloy-light without darkness-glory without cloud-”Yea, he is altogether lovely.”

(And for those interested, I did have to learn what spikenard was. It's the plant used for balsam.)

Yes! He Is altogether lovely!

[video=youtube;CoxopsRSfdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoxopsRSfdU[/video]

Depleted · Mar 9, 2018

PennEd said:

Whoa! Praising the Lord just because he is the Lord?

How weird that must be for those who are all about the give-me give-me give-me from God.

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Noose said:

joaniemarie, i really feel sorry for the personal attacks you receive for this thread. I think it is a genuine heartfelt message which shouldn't be tossed out as lies- a lie is only a lie if it is deliberate. It is always good if we can engage in meekness and have a genuine discussion about anything.

I do believe that man can live forever but death is ordained for us because sin entered the world and we are born in sin. It is very scriptural that some people are going to be shelved from death in this last days because they know God (are faithful to God). these are the 144k believers.

Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Rev 14:1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

The bible suggests that these 144k believers are not going to die because they are protected from the great tribulation. The great tribulation is basically death through wars/famine (natural disasters)/pestilences (diseases)/beasts of the earth. These people are faithful because they fully know God, the other group of believers aka church of Smyrna are considered unfaithful believers because they don't know God- these are the majority of believers, they will face the tribulation and will die (Antichrist kills them).

We need to understand what sin is; it is not the thoughts and deeds, these are but a manifestation of sin. Sin is a spirit/mind. Sin=Lie=death also symbolically represented as darkness. God=Truth=life also symbolically represented as light. Sin is also by design.

Only God lives forever and everything else (creation) can not live forever, otherwise God would have created God, so when sin enters the world, death comes- not only death, even non living things have to decay. we can also say God is light and every creation is darkness- but God loves man because he is in His image, so God wants to be with man forever. the only hope for man to live forever is to be one with God- God in him and him in God so that they are one, hence the concept of the Father and son.
The 144k are considered to have the whole truth in them and no lie is found in them.

Know your audience.

You took this time to teach your very-special 12 X 12 X 1000 gospel because you thought Joan would have no problems with it after you consoled her. I can imagine she has no problems with it because she likes to be consoled. That said, even there it doesn't mean she is listening to your very-special 12 X 12 X 1000 gospel.

Wrong audience for anything you preached.

(I know a marketing campaign when I see one.)

Noose · Mar 9, 2018

Depleted said:

Nope, it was a 12 X 12 X 1381 gospel (whatever that means) because it gave reasons why i agree with what she said. You are my audience, thanks for the reply.

Angela53510 · Mar 9, 2018

I was just thinking to myself, that you could call Word of Faith, or hypergrace, the personality disorders of doctrines.

You know, the “all about me” doctrine. That is the basic thing that identifies someone as having a personality disorder, in the final analysis. Joanie just keeps on posting “all about me” which I guess means someone following the Word Faith personality disorder, probably has one, too, since they don’t realize the Bible is about God, not them.

(No offense to people who actually have a personality disorder! I’m just trying to peg a bad doctrine, not you! God bless!)

joaniemarie · Mar 10, 2018

Noose said:

Hi Noose., It takes time to learn about what the Bible says about Jesus and His salvation and not all here agree on certain aspects of what we have in this "so great a salvation" So personal attacks seem to be the way some deal with differences. I'm not phased.

We are all going to die physically if we are not raptured first when Jesus comes and gets us as it says in 2 Thess.4:13-18
Many disagree with this interpretation too so it goes to show we have to know what the Bible says for ourselves or be tossed back and forth with lots of different people's interpretations.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now also we would not have you ignorant, brethren, about those who fall asleep [[SUP][a][/SUP]in death], that you may not grieve [for them] as the rest do who have no hope [beyond the grave].
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him through Jesus those who have fallen asleep [[SUP][b][/SUP]in death].
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we declare to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall in no way precede [into His presence] or have any advantage at all over those who have previously fallen asleep [in Him [SUP][c][/SUP]in death].
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud cry of summons, with the shout of an archangel, and with the blast of the trumpet of God. And those who have departed this life in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord!
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words.

It's also important to read the opening post or it's easy to be interpreting what the OP is saying by the rabbit trails of others who join in the thread who disagree.

Unless Jesus comes first, we who are here now will die physically eventually. My point in the thread is how we choose to live our Christian lives here on earth will determine how we succeed or fail. Do we walk by the flesh or by the spirit? There are many promises for us to access that Jesus Christ has died to give us specifically to use while we are here on earth as we walk in the spirit (our new born again spirit) .

We can walk in the strength and power of the Holy Spirit in our new born again man or we can walk religiously in our flesh and live a weak and beggarly life of religious works., having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.... I've done both and found that walking in the spirit is the only way that brings peace and joy in the Holy Spirit because walking in the spirit allows us to hold the ground Jesus died to give us while we are on this pilgrim journey here on earth.

Just read today about Hebrews 8:12 How we are in the new covenant.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.

Because of our new born again spirit., we are able to walk by faith and know INTUITIVELY .,with ease and without fear God and His will for our lives each day. In that is joy and peace in the HolySpirit. And a knowledge that all things are possible with Him who we have to do with. Amen!

[SUP]

Hebrews 8:10-12
[/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will imprint My laws upon their minds, even upon their innermost thoughts and understanding, and engrave them upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And it will nevermore be necessary for each one to teach his neighbor and his fellow citizen or each one his brother, saying, Know (perceive, have knowledge of, and get acquainted by experience with) the Lord, for all will know Me, from the smallest to the greatest of them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.

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Noose said:

Not your audience. I didn't read a thing you wrote once I understood your gospel is all about the right-proper eschatology, replete with "only the thousand-gross will live." (And now I see you don't even get the fullness of your own very-special gospel because you don't even get the math of it.)

Depleted · Mar 10, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Hi Noose., It takes time to learn about what the Bible says about Jesus and His salvation and not all here agree on certain aspects of what we have in this "so great a salvation" So personal attacks seem to be the way some deal with differences. I'm not phased.

We are all going to die physically if we are not raptured first when Jesus comes and gets us as it says in 2 Thess.4:13-18
Many disagree with this interpretation too so it goes to show we have to know what the Bible says for ourselves or be tossed back and forth with lots of different people's interpretations.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now also we would not have you ignorant, brethren, about those who fall asleep [[SUP][a][/SUP]in death], that you may not grieve [for them] as the rest do who have no hope [beyond the grave].
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him through Jesus those who have fallen asleep [[SUP][b][/SUP]in death].
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we declare to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall in no way precede [into His presence] or have any advantage at all over those who have previously fallen asleep [in Him [SUP][c][/SUP]in death].
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud cry of summons, with the shout of an archangel, and with the blast of the trumpet of God. And those who have departed this life in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord!
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words.

It's also important to read the opening post or it's easy to be interpreting what the OP is saying by the rabbit trails of others who join in the thread who disagree.

Unless Jesus comes first, we who are here now will die physically eventually. My point in the thread is how we choose to live our Christian lives here on earth will determine how we succeed or fail. Do we walk by the flesh or by the spirit? There are many promises for us to access that Jesus Christ has died to give us specifically to use while we are here on earth as we walk in the spirit (our new born again spirit) .

We can walk in the strength and power of the Holy Spirit in our new born again man or we can walk religiously in our flesh and live a weak and beggarly life of religious works., having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.... I've done both and found that walking in the spirit is the only way that brings peace and joy in the Holy Spirit because walking in the spirit allows us to hold the ground Jesus died to give us while we are on this pilgrim journey here on earth.

Just read today about Hebrews 8:12 How we are in the new covenant.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.

Because of our new born again spirit., we are able to walk by faith and know INTUITIVELY .,with ease and without fear God and His will for our lives each day. In that is joy and peace in the HolySpirit. And a knowledge that all things are possible with Him who we have to do with. Amen!

[SUP]

Hebrews 8:10-12
[/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will imprint My laws upon their minds, even upon their innermost thoughts and understanding, and engrave them upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And it will nevermore be necessary for each one to teach his neighbor and his fellow citizen or each one his brother, saying, Know (perceive, have knowledge of, and get acquainted by experience with) the Lord, for all will know Me, from the smallest to the greatest of them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.

Same problem. Different day. No matter how you carefully script your words, it always comes down to what God will do for me. ME being the center.

Depleted · Mar 10, 2018

Spurgeon's take on prosperity.

“In my prosperity I said I shall never be moved.”
Psalm 30:6

“Moab settled on his lees, he hath not been emptied from vessel to vessel.” Give a man wealth; let his ships bring home continually rich freights; let the winds and waves appear to be his servants to bear his vessels across the bosom of the mighty deep; let his lands yield abundantly: let the weather be propitious to his crops; let uninterrupted success attend him; let him stand among men as a successful merchant; let him enjoy continued health; allow him with braced nerve and brilliant eye to march through the world, and live happily; give him the buoyant spirit; let him have the song perpetually on his lips; let his eye be ever sparkling with joy-and the natural consequence of such an easy state to any man, let him be the best Christian who ever breathed, will be presumption; even David said, “I shall never be moved;” and we are not better than David, nor half so good.

Brother, beware of the smooth places of the way; if you are treading them, or if the way be rough, thank God for it. If God should always rock us in the cradle of prosperity; if we were always dandled on the knees of fortune; if we had not some stain on the alabaster pillar; if there were not a few clouds in the sky; if we had not some bitter drops in the wine of this life, we should become intoxicated with pleasure, we should dream “we stand;” and stand we should, but it would be upon a pinnacle; like the man asleep upon the mast, each moment we should be in jeopardy.

We bless God, then, for our afflictions; we thank him for our changes; we extol his name for losses of property; for we feel that had he not chastened us thus, we might have become too secure. Continued worldly prosperity is a fiery trial.

“Afflictions, though they seem severe,
In mercy oft are sent.”

Noose · Mar 10, 2018

Depleted said:

Aaaaaah, now i get it, the 12 X 12 X 1000 thing. The special gospel is because i know what i speak of - if you ask me how sure i'm i, i'll tell you 100% sure.

joaniemarie · Mar 10, 2018

[SUP]

James 3:10-18
10 [/SUP]Out of the same mouth come forth blessing and cursing. These things, my brethren, ought not to be so.
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11 [/SUP]Does a fountain send forth [simultaneously] from the same opening fresh water and bitter?
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12 [/SUP]Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine figs? Neither can a salt spring furnish fresh water.
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13 [/SUP]Who is there among you who is wise and intelligent? Then let him by his noble living show forth his [good] works with the [unobtrusive] humility [which is the proper attribute] of true wisdom.
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14 [/SUP]But if you have bitter jealousy (envy) and contention (rivalry, selfish ambition) in your hearts, do not pride yourselves on it and thus be in defiance of and false to the Truth.
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15 [/SUP]This [superficial] wisdom is not such as comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual (animal), even devilish (demoniacal).
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16 [/SUP]For wherever there is jealousy (envy) and contention (rivalry and selfish ambition), there will also be confusion (unrest, disharmony, rebellion) and all sorts of evil and vile practices.
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17 [/SUP]But the wisdom from above is first of all pure (undefiled); then it is peace-loving, courteous (considerate, gentle). [It is willing to] yield to reason, full of compassion and good fruits; it is wholehearted and straightforward, impartial and unfeigned (free from doubts, wavering, and insincerity).
[SUP]
18 [/SUP]And the harvest of righteousness (of conformity to God’s will in thought and deed) is [the fruit of the seed] sown in peace by those who work for and make peace [in themselves and in others, that peace which means concord, agreement, and harmony between individuals, with undisturbedness, in a peaceful mind free from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts].

Deade · Mar 10, 2018

Why kind of scripture bending is this? The Church of Smyrna unbelievers? Talk about missing the boat. Let's look at it:

Rev. 2:8-11: “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’"

Just where, oh where did you see anything negative in that. That is Jesus' martyr church!

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Noose said:

Sure. So was I back when I was 20. Then the Lord got me out of that junk.

joaniemarie · Mar 10, 2018

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