How often should I sacrifice a beast to appease God?

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Man as a beast of the field uses ceremonial animals. lambs are used to represent the redeemed as those who have faith. And a Ass another beast is used to represent unbelief no faith that comes from hearing God.

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

This parable helps us to walk by faith knowing God is not served by human hands. He can use a unbeliever to bring the gospel just as eastly as one that does believe. In the parable below he used a Ass as a true apostle and angel or messenger tp prevent the madness of the false prophet Balaam.

Numbers 22:22And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.And the ass saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
That is not a parable. But I think you knew that. You just wanted to see if someone would take the bait. :)
 
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Leviticus: Finding Christ In Leviticus, Hebrews 12:2, "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Leviticus One:
The burnt offering (Depicting Christ as our "dedicated" sin bearer and sufferer).

Leviticus Two:
The meat (or, grain) offering (Depicting Christ as our "sustenance" and example).

Leviticus Three:
The peace offering (Depicting Christ as our "communion" and peace).

Leviticus Four:
The sin offering (Depicting Christ as our "atoning" sin [guilt] substitute).

Leviticus Five:
The trespass offering (Depicting Christ as our "atoning" sin [damage] substitute).
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That's a completely ignorant, wrongheaded comment. Are you here to share, learn, or troll?
Am I wrong? What if Jesus died of natural causes? Would Christianity still exist?
 

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People who are babies in the word think that the sacrificial system was about feeding the Lord with blood!! That is what pagans did for their Gods. God said He hated that idea. The Lord knew that He gave His Son for our salvation way back in Lev. 17:11 where we are told that it was only through blood, blood that we know now was the blood of Christ, that God gave on the alter that gives salvation of the soul.

As is all the OT, it is scripture that Christ fulfilled, it was a preview of Christ. All through scripture secular things are used to illustrate the spiritual. We are told of these things that the reality is Christ. They were to give their sins on the altar, it was a preview of us giving our sins to Christ.
 

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Am I wrong? What if Jesus died of natural causes? Would Christianity still exist?
Yes you are wrong.

Christianity is not "based around human sacrifice". Rather, it is based on the voluntary death of God incarnate as punishment for our sin. If it were not God's will that Jesus die on the cross, neither the Romans nor any other human force could have killed Him.

Human sacrifice is what the Aztecs practiced - the ritual slaughter of thousands of humans. It was also practiced by the nations surrounding ancient Israel - nations whose practices God told the Israelites not to copy.

Regarding your other questions, I don't play "what if" games when it comes to the things of God; they are a complete waste of time. His word has told us plainly what we need to know.
 
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Yes you are wrong.

Christianity is not "based around human sacrifice". Rather, it is based on the voluntary death of God incarnate as punishment for our sin. If it were not God's will that Jesus die on the cross, neither the Romans nor any other human force could have killed Him.

Human sacrifice is what the Aztecs practiced - the ritual slaughter of thousands of humans. It was also practiced by the nations surrounding ancient Israel - nations whose practices God told the Israelites not to copy.

Regarding your other questions, I don't play "what if" games when it comes to the things of God; they are a complete waste of time. His word has told us plainly what we need to know.
Was Jesus a sacrifice or not? Was Jesus not human?
 

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Was Jesus a sacrifice or not? Was Jesus not human?
Jesus is both fully human and fully God. His death was a sacrifice. Calling it "human sacrifice" is both wrong and inadequate; wrong because it is not men's attempt to appease God by sacrificing another human, and inadequate because no sacrifice of a mere human being could atone for sin.

I'm not going to play word games with you on this.
 

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Am I wrong? What if Jesus died of natural causes? Would Christianity still exist?
Sounds like trolling. What if the moon were made of green cheese?

Those who sincerely seek the truth do not ask inane questions. They go to the Bible and read about the Lord Jesus Christ and believe everything to be true.
 
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That's a completely ignorant, wrongheaded comment. Are you here to share, learn, or troll?
this is the end times, stuff like this is going to happen more and more. We are a huge threat to satans agenda, and he desires us to be divided and confused. Dont pay to much attention to them. Who in there right mind would come to a christian forum just to cause divisions and chaos?
 
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@Gregoryp is the virus as bad as they are stating on the news over east?
 
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@Gregoryp is the virus as bad as they are stating on the news over east?
on face value, yes, its serious, and the media is sending fear every which way. However, we have found out the tests actually pick up the common cold and flu. The actual covid19 is around .00015% of the actual cases they report. Also, the deaths are mainly in nursing homes, therefore elderly people with underlying health issues and very low immune systems. One of the 50 year olds actually had died of cancer but had traces of flu or covid19. So in other words, its not as bad as they are making out. Also note Victoria owes China tens of billions of dollars in loans. Oh and when these travel restrictions are lifted, I am moving back to Gosnells/Maddington. I have been homesick for sometime, so its time I returned home!
 

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Jesus is both fully human and fully God. His death was a sacrifice. Calling it "human sacrifice" is both wrong and inadequate; wrong because it is not men's attempt to appease God by sacrificing another human, and inadequate because no sacrifice of a mere human being could atone for sin.

I'm not going to play word games with you on this.
You acknowledge he was a sacrifice and you acknowledge he was human.
 
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Sounds like trolling. What if the moon were made of green cheese?

Those who sincerely seek the truth do not ask inane questions. They go to the Bible and read about the Lord Jesus Christ and believe everything to be true.
So what were Christ's last words?
 
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That is not a parable. But I think you knew that. You just wanted to see if someone would take the bait. :)
Bait is that what your hope is. Parables are bait? I think you have tunnel vision.

Bait is not what Christ spoke without .They are called parables as prophecy.

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

What's your take on that parable above .Will you try to rightly divide it. Or like those that hear but not understanding.

Isiah speakof those who literalize the spirutl understanding.Isaiah 6:8-10 King James Version (KJV Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Parables take the things seen and when faith the unseen eternal is mixed they give the unseen understanding .

The proper prescription below must be applied in order to rightly divide the parables.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Was Jesus a sacrifice or not? Was Jesus not human?
Bait is that what your hope is. Parables are bait? I think you have tunnel vision.

Bait is not what Christ spoke without .They are called parables as prophecy.

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

What's your take on that parable above .Will you try to rightly divide it. Or like those that hear but not understanding.

Isiah speakof those who literalize the spirutl understanding.Isaiah 6:8-10 King James Version (KJV Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Parables take the things seen and when faith the unseen eternal is mixed they give the unseen understanding .

The proper prescription below must be applied in order to rightly divide the parables.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
As long as you insist on calling Exodus 13:13 a parable, I just can't have a conversation with you. And 2 Cor 4:18 is not a prescription, "prescription" is not even a term used in hermeneutics that I am aware of. (sigh) ... I just can't. :confused:
 
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So what were Christ's last words?
The last words pertaining to his flesh of the Son of man Jesus as a prophet apostle, which of the corrupted flesh (dead) he declared it profited for nothing. They are are found below.

God is not a man.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
 
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As long as you insist on calling Exodus 13:13 a parable, I just can't have a conversation with you. And 2 Cor 4:18 is not a prescription, "prescription" is not even a term used in hermeneutics that I am aware of. (sigh) ... I just can't. :confused:
You know its a parable. Plenty of metaphors to prove it. If you don't know the meaning of that parable how could you understand any parable.

Remember I am not the one that declared without parables Christ the word of God spoke not .

Do we ignore and literalize the the unseen understanding?

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

How can we know the mysteries His prophecy .Or do we just turn them into lying wonders and keep wondering ? Jesus said t a evil generation that seeks after the the things seen

What's the spiritual understanding hid in Exodus 13:13? What the purpose of Asses and lambs?
 
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You know its a parable. Plenty of metaphors to prove it. If you don't know the meaning of that parable how could you understand any parable.

Remember I am not the one that declared without parables Christ the word of God spoke not .

Do we ignore and literalize the the unseen understanding?

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

How can we know the mysteries His prophecy .Or do we just turn them into lying wonders and keep wondering ? Jesus said t a evil generation that seeks after the the things seen

What's the spiritual understanding hid in Exodus 13:13? What the purpose of Asses and lambs?
If you wanted to apply an allegorical meaning to the Asses and Lambs I suppose you would calling it an allegory. You really need to google "what is a parable in biblical literature" You are messing up the terminology and not making sense.