How Old Is The Earth?

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Dec 18, 2013
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Re: You have nothing...

This is the kind of jack-up science that makes YEC Christians look like blithering buffoons, and an easy target for educated non-believers.

Your link has light being passed through a crystal medium...NOT a vacuum, of which, outer space is.

The Speed of light NEVER changes in a vacuum.

Thus, the great distances measured in outer space are real.

Einstein's General & Special Relativity are the two most proven principles in ALL of physics...Even more proven than Newton's Law of Gravity.






All things change over time...and that is what evolution means.

Bacteria Do NOT evolve into humans...but there are a lot of changes within species.
Lol well hold up now, because space may not be a vacuum as some once theorized. If the speed of light is not constant and can in fact be altered, and space is not a vacuum but possibly some sort of medium; then does it not stand to reason the speed of light could either be accelerated or slowed down in said medium? Maybe even be variable and be effected by both? (Note: this does not disprove or prove Old Earth or Young Earth.)

Furthermore how can you even know the distances in space are really so vast? As far as I am aware we have not even been able to escape from the solar system, thus we cannot give a 100% accurate distance to any single star. All the distances are merely guesswork based on theories that are proving to be obsolete.

As for micro-evolution. Yes I think we all know bacteria does not evolve into humans. However look, bacteria/virus doesn't even evolve into different Kinds of bacteria/virus (ex: influenza virus can mutate into other kinds of influenza virus, but it never evolves in the darwinian sense into say an ebola virus.) It can mutate, but it cannot change its Kind. Thus even at the micro level evolution (Darwinian type) is not possible. Lol, I think you are correct that Darwinian Evolution is well buried at this point. Problem is the evolutionists have redefined evolution to try to still make the theory work. Problem is because they are trying to still hold on to antiquated ideas like Darwin, Big Bang, etc. they are only half-right thus why there are so many flaws in their theory that I can pick apart at all day lol.
 
Nov 19, 2012
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Re: You have nothing...

Lol well hold up now, because space may not be a vacuum as some once theorized. If the speed of light is not constant and can in fact be altered, and space is not a vacuum but possibly some sort of medium; then does it not stand to reason the speed of light could either be accelerated or slowed down in said medium? Maybe even be variable and be effected by both? (Note: this does not disprove or prove Old Earth or Young Earth.)

Furthermore how can you even know the distances in space are really so vast? As far as I am aware we have not even been able to escape from the solar system, thus we cannot give a 100% accurate distance to any single star. All the distances are merely guesswork based on theories that are proving to be obsolete.
If the speed of light had ever changed in the past then metabolism would have been rendered impossible.

The speed of light being constant has a much broader consequence than just measuring vast distances and ages.




As for micro-evolution. Yes I think we all know bacteria does not evolve into humans. However look, bacteria/virus doesn't even evolve into different Kinds of bacteria/virus (ex: influenza virus can mutate into other kinds of influenza virus, but it never evolves in the darwinian sense into say an ebola virus.) It can mutate, but it cannot change its Kind. Thus even at the micro level evolution (Darwinian type) is not possible. Lol, I think you are correct that Darwinian Evolution is well buried at this point. Problem is the evolutionists have redefined evolution to try to still make the theory work. Problem is because they are trying to still hold on to antiquated ideas like Darwin, Big Bang, etc. they are only half-right thus why there are so many flaws in their theory that I can pick apart at all day lol.

The Big Bang actually matches what was stated in the Holy Bible thousands of years before a modern epithet was placed upon it.
 
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Re: You have nothing...

If the speed of light had ever changed in the past then metabolism would have been rendered impossible.

The speed of light being constant has a much broader consequence than just measuring vast distances and ages.







The Big Bang actually matches what was stated in the Holy Bible thousands of years before a modern epithet was placed upon it.
Interesting perspective here on light and metabolism indeed, however that only just proves light can in fact be bent, slowed, stopped, and sped up and that this occurs in great variety every single day even today. It's as simple as observing the difference between a cloudy day and a clear sunny day and how the plants and animals somehow still grow (in fact some organisms do not even need sunlight to metabolize.)

As for Big Bang, nah that theory is bunk. Magical dot the size of a hydrogen atom explodes and forms the universe? I don't buy that. Also if that were true the universe ought to be perfectly spherical along with all the pieces and parts within it (at least originally until catastrophic events would occur breaking them), yet we find no trully perfect spheres anywhere in the cosmos. Why are there more elements than just hydrogen in the Universe if the universe originates from a hydrogen atom? In fact why are we discovering new elements still today? Also the unfathomable amount of light and heat generated from the Big Bang should theoretically still be visible, yet it is not. Also for those that do play by the logic of the BB there is some major disagreement over whether the universe is still growing or is now contracting (big crunch theory). Most honest answer is they just have no idea lol. I think Big Bang is currently in the process of being embalmed and prepared for burial because despite the heavy indoctrination of this theory, most people just don't buy it due to too many problems with it, and those that do buy it can't agree which Big Bang ist he right Big Bang lol. Which is why scientists are coming up with all sorts of other theories like String Theory, multiple dimensions, multiverse theory, etc.

Really though the two questions that discreditted the Big Bang for me most even when I was a staunch atheist are: where did this mystery big bang atom originate, and through what medium is it moving?

I am heading out for a bit so sorry if I do not get to any response to you too quickly. Very stimulating conversation/debate though! Lol, you might be an old man but you'd fit right in with me and my friends, we like to hang out and just talk over theories a lot from Big Bang to Politics to the Bible lol. Lol so I am not trying to sound hostile to you or nothing, I in fact enjoy your input even if we disagree. I just like talking theory and why theory is wrong or what in the theory is right, etc.
 
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Jacked-up....

Interesting perspective here on light and metabolism indeed, however that only just proves light can in fact be bent, slowed, stopped, and sped up and that this occurs in great variety every single day even today. It's as simple as observing the difference between a cloudy day and a clear sunny day and how the plants and animals somehow still grow (in fact some organisms do not even need sunlight to metabolize.)
If the speed of light had changed, or could change, then you would NOT be here today.




As for Big Bang, nah that theory is bunk. Magical dot the size of a hydrogen atom explodes and forms the universe? I don't buy that.
The hot inflationary BB model predicts that the Universe arose from an infinitely hot and infinitely small singularity....hence, it arose out of nothing...ex-nihilo...same as stated in the Holy Bible.





Also if that were true the universe ought to be perfectly spherical along with all the pieces and parts within it (at least originally until catastrophic events would occur breaking them), yet we find no trully perfect spheres anywhere in the cosmos.
The BB model predicts a flat Universe with matter residing on the surface, and that is what we find.




Why are there more elements than just hydrogen in the Universe if the universe originates from a hydrogen atom?
The Universe arose from pure energy.

You are imposing bad YEC science.




In fact why are we discovering new elements still today?
Like what?



Also the unfathomable amount of light and heat generated from the Big Bang should theoretically still be visible, yet it is not.
It sure is.



Also for those that do play by the logic of the BB there is some major disagreement over whether the universe is still growing or is now contracting (big crunch theory). Most honest answer is they just have no idea lol.
You are lost on the highest level.

The latest cosmological measurements show that the Universe will continue to expand indefinitely.

The 'Big Crunch' is for neophytes still lost in Darwinian evolution.





I think Big Bang is currently in the process of being embalmed and prepared for burial because despite the heavy indoctrination of this theory, most people just don't buy it due to too many problems with it, and those that do buy it can't agree which Big Bang ist he right Big Bang lol. Which is why scientists are coming up with all sorts of other theories like String Theory, multiple dimensions, multiverse theory, etc.
The hot inflationary BB model is state of the art and matches Einstein's Special and General Relativity - which are the most proven principles in ALL of physics.

Your opinion of the matter is simply that...

 
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Okay, God spoke and bang there it was and is. Enough.
 
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I have my beliefs, but I can't prove them and others have theirs and they can't prove it either. So what then, what difference does it make. The fact is that we are in this mess. Did the little chicken start studying where he came from when he broke the egg, no other things were more important. Little chicken you here now and can't go back to the egg. Do they lilies worry about such things or the sparrows? yet God takes care of them.

The only thing that I can prove and have witnesses is this, 25 years ago I knelt at the alter and ask god to forgive me of my sins and ask Jesus to be the Lord of my life and in ten seconds He changed me and made me a knew person. I no longer liked the things I was doing, I feel in love with the bible. People I knew said whats happened to you and after 25 years of study there are two things that I am most assured of.

1. There is a God

2. I am not Him
 
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I have my beliefs, but I can't prove them and others have theirs and they can't prove it either. So what then, what difference does it make. The fact is that we are in this mess. Did the little chicken start studying where he came from when he broke the egg, no other things were more important. Little chicken you here now and can't go back to the egg. Do they lilies worry about such things or the sparrows? yet God takes care of them.

The only thing that I can prove and have witnesses is this, 25 years ago I knelt at the alter and ask god to forgive me of my sins and ask Jesus to be the Lord of my life and in ten seconds He changed me and made me a knew person. I no longer liked the things I was doing, I feel in love with the bible. People I knew said whats happened to you and after 25 years of study there are two things that I am most assured of.

1. There is a God

2. I am not Him


Plants and animals don't have eternal spirits and intellect to go with it.

If Humans were that way, then we would likewise not give a hoot...but we are not like them in the least...
 
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Most of the educated Muslims have a leg-up on Christians as far as the sciences go....and that is a shame...
Are you leaning Muslim. You know that Islam didn't come about to 600 AD. Or are you just throwing stuff out to cause confusion?
 
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Most of the educated Muslims have a leg-up on Christians as far as the sciences go....and that is a shame...
Thanks, I belief your true self just came out.

What you say does not suprise me. They do not want to see the christian God of the bible either. so we would expect they would believe in unbibilcal stuff. they do not even interpret the word of God correctly.
 

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Can God make light come to the earth from the stars within a day?

If that is a stumbling block what about these miracles.

* The creation of man from dust
* Raining manna from the sky
* Upholding the sandals of the Jews walking threw the desert for many many years
* The parting of the red sea
* Feeding 5 thousand people with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread
* Walked on water
* Turned water into wine

Next time an Atheist asks what about starlight and time reply "I don't even know how God turned water into wine"

Light obeys God not the other way around, it moves on his whim he commanded it to come into existence from the very beginning. He did numerous things in the bible that are impossible and inexplainable by every human measure. I just started to believe 5 years ago and originally assumed long ages but after studying the YEC point of view, the bible started to make much more sense to me personally.
 
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Are you leaning Muslim. You know that Islam didn't come about to 600 AD. Or are you just throwing stuff out to cause confusion?
Just another data point indicating that cults can properly interpret the sciences and see how it fits with scripture.
 
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Just another data point indicating that cults can properly interpret the sciences and see how it fits with scripture.
So if the falcons win the superbowl, what difference does it make? If you found the atom that exploded, will it change you?
 
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So if the falcons win the superbowl, what difference does it make? If you found the atom that exploded, will it change you?
The Universe did not begin with an exploding atom.
 
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Okay, what difference does it make?
 
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Okay, what difference does it make?
As already stated, it makes no difference to creatures lacking a spirit.

But....for spirit creatures with intellect, we have no choice but to ponder these things...
 
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As already stated, it makes no difference to creatures lacking a spirit.

But....for spirit creatures with intellect, we have no choice but to ponder these things...
Why, if you knew the origins of all life, what would it change?