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i just thought everyone arguing with 'historicist' in this thread should be made aware that the sum of the doctrines expressed in his posts on this forum match the teachings of the 'christian identity' cult...
Christian Identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Critics of biblical creation sometimes use distant starlight as an argument against a young universe. The argument goes something like this: (1) there are galaxies that are so far away, it would take light from their stars billions of years to get from there to here; (2) we can see these galaxies, so their starlight has already arrived here; and (3) the universe must be at least billions of years old—much older than the 6,000 or so years indicated in the Bible.
Many big bang supporters consider this to be an excellent argument against the biblical timescale. But when we examine this argument carefully, we will see that it does not work. The universe is very big and contains galaxies that are very far away, but that does not mean that the universe must be billions of years old.
Read an excellent article that covers this subject at: Does Distant Starlight Prove the Universe Is Old? - Answers in Genesis
Many big bang supporters consider this to be an excellent argument against the biblical timescale. But when we examine this argument carefully, we will see that it does not work. The universe is very big and contains galaxies that are very far away, but that does not mean that the universe must be billions of years old.
Read an excellent article that covers this subject at: Does Distant Starlight Prove the Universe Is Old? - Answers in Genesis
Evolution has been rendered nearly extinct with the scientific advancements made within the past decade.
Darwinian evolution is dead.
Micro evolution exists....but NOT macro evolution.
The only adherents to Darwinian evolution are either from an older generation, or are in serious denial of the sciences....similar to YEC's...
Darwinian evolution is dead.
Micro evolution exists....but NOT macro evolution.
The only adherents to Darwinian evolution are either from an older generation, or are in serious denial of the sciences....similar to YEC's...
Heh you have brought up some intriguing points on the last page and this page. I am actually quite interested in how one can be an OEC and not believe in evolution (not that I agree with such a theory, but this is a new one I have not heard before thus it is intriguing,)
As for speed of light, check this out, my Marine veteran friend showed me this a few months ago and it blew my mind; it seems the speeed of light may not be constant after all:
Physicists freeze motion of light for a minute
How about that, you lived long enough to see Einstein's E=MC2 equation become totally obsolete now that we have knowledge that light can be slowed down, sped up, or even stopped completely.
As for space being a vacuum, this might still be possible, but there are some alleged discoveries that might imply that space is a little crazier than our forefather's imagined it to be. Here is a HuffPo article alledging oxygen has been found in space. Now I don't give this as much credibility since this is just a guess based on picture and is not an actual experiment like the physics article above, but I would at least regard it as worthy of some ponderance: Oxygen In Space? 'Breathable' Oxygen Molecules Found By Herschel Telescope
As for micro-evolution, I think that one is going the way of Darwin's monkeyman also. Even at the micro-level bacteria and viruses when they mutate still remain the same Kind of virus and bacteria, and their mutations can be bred in and bred out. Yet they never "Evolve" in the darwinian perspective from one Kind of virus (ex: cold virus) into another Kind of virus (ex: cold virus evolving into AIDS virus). Though I suppose one could argue we've only been able to study such stuff for a mere paltry 100 years thus it could be we simply need more research./
As for speed of light, check this out, my Marine veteran friend showed me this a few months ago and it blew my mind; it seems the speeed of light may not be constant after all:
Physicists freeze motion of light for a minute
How about that, you lived long enough to see Einstein's E=MC2 equation become totally obsolete now that we have knowledge that light can be slowed down, sped up, or even stopped completely.
As for space being a vacuum, this might still be possible, but there are some alleged discoveries that might imply that space is a little crazier than our forefather's imagined it to be. Here is a HuffPo article alledging oxygen has been found in space. Now I don't give this as much credibility since this is just a guess based on picture and is not an actual experiment like the physics article above, but I would at least regard it as worthy of some ponderance: Oxygen In Space? 'Breathable' Oxygen Molecules Found By Herschel Telescope
As for micro-evolution, I think that one is going the way of Darwin's monkeyman also. Even at the micro-level bacteria and viruses when they mutate still remain the same Kind of virus and bacteria, and their mutations can be bred in and bred out. Yet they never "Evolve" in the darwinian perspective from one Kind of virus (ex: cold virus) into another Kind of virus (ex: cold virus evolving into AIDS virus). Though I suppose one could argue we've only been able to study such stuff for a mere paltry 100 years thus it could be we simply need more research./
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You have nothing...
This is the kind of jack-up science that makes YEC Christians look like blithering buffoons, and an easy target for educated non-believers.
Your link has light being passed through a crystal medium...NOT a vacuum, of which, outer space is.
The Speed of light NEVER changes in a vacuum.
Thus, the great distances measured in outer space are real.
Einstein's General & Special Relativity are the two most proven principles in ALL of physics...Even more proven than Newton's Law of Gravity.
All things change over time...and that is what evolution means.
Bacteria Do NOT evolve into humans...but there are a lot of changes within species.
This is the kind of jack-up science that makes YEC Christians look like blithering buffoons, and an easy target for educated non-believers.
Your link has light being passed through a crystal medium...NOT a vacuum, of which, outer space is.
The Speed of light NEVER changes in a vacuum.
Thus, the great distances measured in outer space are real.
Einstein's General & Special Relativity are the two most proven principles in ALL of physics...Even more proven than Newton's Law of Gravity.
All things change over time...and that is what evolution means.
Bacteria Do NOT evolve into humans...but there are a lot of changes within species.