How Old Is The Earth?

[eternally-gratefull]

As the world becomes better and better educated, YEC will become an increasingly hard-sell.

I predict it will go the way of the dinosaurs...

nah, It went away for along time for many years. it is coming back. and stronger than ever.. because OEC doies bnot stand up to science. or scripture.

 

[thecreationtutor]

No, they just have to create many ridiculous theories to justify and try to make sense of Old-Earth Creationism. A plain reading of the Bible doesn't support OEC. God's Word should be our standard.

I am starting to like this guy tintin - but I don't like it when he beats me to the punch line.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just need to do a lot of theological bends, twists, and eisegetical study starting out with man's desire for there to be no God, and that we came from animals therefore there is no creator- that is the starting point of the Evolutionary worldview - ie naturalism - that matter, time, and the laws of nature are all that is needed to explain the world.

Or on Uniformitarianism which tells us that the key to the past is the present, but the Bible teaches us that the key to the present is the past. And that people only say it looks "old" because the world systems are constantly perpetuating it to us - rather than renewing the mind

God made the world to be inhabited. And to be used. thus he had to make it appear aged.. or else he would have to wait for it to age for it to be used.

He also had to make it so the stars would appear in the night sky the moment he created them, or else he would have to wait for them to appear before he could use them as intended.

 

[Bowman]

Nope

six days,, the evening and the morning.

Not the first year to the many more years later..

6847 II. עֶרֶב (ʿě·rěḇ): n.[masc.]; ≡ Str 6153; TWOT 1689a—1. LN 67.191 evening, sundown, i.e., the period of time related to the setting of the sun, from late or very late afternoon to the beginning of the dark night time (1Sa 14:24); 2. LN 67.163–67.200 unit: בַּיִן הַ־ עֶרֶב (bǎ·yin hǎ- ʿě·rěḇ)2 twilight, dusk, i.e., the period of time between sunset and dark (Ex 12:6; 16:12; 29:39, 41; 30:8; Lev 23:5; Nu 9:3, 5, 11; 28:4, 8+); 3. LN 67.163–67.200 night, i.e., the period of time that is after sunset and twilight, a dark time of the night (Job 7:4; Ps 30:6[EB 5]+)

Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

1332 II. בֹּקֶר (bō·qěr): n.masc.; ≡ Str 1242; TWOT 274c—1. LN 67.163–67.200 morning, i.e., the early part of the daytime period, which can vary from early daybreak, to an undetermined time before midday when the sun is at its apex (1Sa 1:19), note: for another interp, of Ps 5:4b[EB 3b]+ see 1331; note: for MT text in Isa 26:9, see 7931; 2. LN 67.163–67.200 tomorrow morning, next morning, i.e., the early part of a next day (Ex 16:12; 1Sa 19:2); 3. LN 67.163–67.200 unit: עֶרֶב בֹּקֶר (ʿě·rěḇ bō·qěr)2 one day, i.e., a period of time, approximately 24 hour period (Da 8:14), note: cf. also Ge 1:5ff.

Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Next....

try again...

yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

 

[Bowman]

Just need to do a lot of theological bends, twists, and eisegetical study starting out with man's desire for there to be no God, and that we came from animals therefore there is no creator- that is the starting point of the Evolutionary worldview - ie naturalism - that matter, time, and the laws of nature are all that is needed to explain the world.

Or on Uniformitarianism which tells us that the key to the past is the present, but the Bible teaches us that the key to the present is the past. And that people only say it looks "old" because the world systems are constantly perpetuating it to us - rather than renewing the mind

An old earth does NOT imply evolution.

Come on...

 

[Bowman]

No, they just have to create many ridiculous theories to justify and try to make sense of Old-Earth Creationism. A plain reading of the Bible doesn't support OEC. God's Word should be our standard.

Like what, exactly?

 

[Bowman]

your the one bringing it up.. I am just countering your argument and reasonings as to why we should teach something.

No.

You were the first.

 

[Bowman]

It's already a hard sell. God's Truth (especially that Genesis 1-11 is history) has always been a hard sell, especially in more so-called "educated" parts of the world.

Then why make it harder...?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

Thats all great and handy

But you ignored the two words which show us which interpretation to use.

the evening and morning.

I just showed you what they mean in the hebrew. You can not just ignore it. God id not just say day, He said what kind of day.

next!

 

[thecreationtutor]

As the world becomes better and better educated, YEC will become an increasingly hard-sell.

I predict it will go the way of the dinosaurs...

Wow - this is a dangerous thought Bowman - do you honestly think that lack of education is what the problem in this world is? Which the world track record on that theme has shown this? heck no!

YEC - a Biblical Worldview - if it becomes a hard-sell - it won't be because of a lack of education - but the fallen mind at emnity with it's creator

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No.

You were the first.

No, You implied we should use OEC to make everyone happy.

 

[Bowman]

nah, It went away for along time for many years. it is coming back. and stronger than ever.. because OEC doies bnot stand up to science. or scripture.

You would have to deny that we put a man on the moon in order for OEC to go away.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You would have to deny that we put a man on the moon in order for OEC to go away.

No, I would not have to do that at all..

You deny evening and morning, and only want to use day, which can be translated age, But not with evening and morning next to it. And you say I have to deny something?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow - this is a dangerous thought Bowman - do you honestly think that lack of education is what the problem in this world is? Which the world track record on that theme has shown this? heck no!

YEC - a Biblical Worldview - if it becomes a hard-sell - it won't be because of a lack of education - but the fallen mind at emnity with it's creator

lol, well Peter did claim this would happen. Prophesy comes true!!

 

[Tintin]

An old earth does NOT imply evolution.

Come on...

I know that but there are so many different beliefs under the Old-Earth Creationism banner. Which do you ascribe to?

 

[Bowman]

Study up...

Thats all great and handy

But you ignored the two words which show us which interpretation to use.

the evening and morning.

I just showed you what they mean in the hebrew. You can not just ignore it. God id not just say day, He said what kind of day.

next!

The Hebrew day is from evening to evening.

Thus...your 'evening to morning' would make for 12hrs not 24hrs!

Is this what you want...?

 

[thecreationtutor]

An old earth does NOT imply evolution.

Come on...

Come on... old earth implies evolution in man's theory - Charles Lisle's whole goal was to add millions of years to the earth so that Evolution can be viable

Old earth assumes vast ages for geological processes - which is completely, verifiable not true. Catastrophism is actually gaining momentum in the field of Geology

and when they reject Uniformitarianism -who has egg on their face

 

[Bowman]

Wow - this is a dangerous thought Bowman - do you honestly think that lack of education is what the problem in this world is? Which the world track record on that theme has shown this? heck no!

YEC - a Biblical Worldview - if it becomes a hard-sell - it won't be because of a lack of education - but the fallen mind at emnity with it's creator

You missed the point.

As the world becomes better educated through technology, the less tolerance they will have for the YEC position.

The OEC position will flourish...

 

[Bowman]

I know that but there are so many different beliefs under the Old-Earth Creationism banner. Which do you ascribe to?

The Day-age position.

It is testable and falsifiable.

 

[Bowman]

Come on... old earth implies evolution in man's theory - Charles Lisle's whole goal was to add millions of years to the earth so that Evolution can be viable

Old earth assumes vast ages for geological processes - which is completely, verifiable not true. Catastrophism is actually gaining momentum in the field of Geology

and when they reject Uniformitarianism -who has egg on their face

You are living in the past!

Darwinian evolution is going extinct with the advent of the discoveries made every day...