How old were you when you became SAVED/accpeted Christ as your Lord & Savior??

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MaggieMye

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There really is no serious question about infant baptism except among heretics.
That's right...because infant baptism, just like infant salvation or being saved before one is born is not Biblical, it is hereitcal and a deceptive lie from the pit of hell.
Maggie

Now let's get back to the original question: How old were you when you were ABLE TO RECEIVE salvation?
 
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May 22 2009 when I was 17 still am I decided to to give everything to God. I always knew there was a God I grew up in a Christian home was baptized as an infant but I turned away, and hated everything that had to do with religion and the church. But after May 22 things have changed. And I am planning to be baptized as someone who believes in God, and accepted him into her life before I turn 18
 
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I became a Christian (and was baptized) when I was 12.

Re: baptism

There is no good reason not to believe those households did not contain infants. It is not an addition to the Bible but a logical inference. No material was added to the Bible in making that inference.

The theory about the 'water' referring to ones birth into this world - what makes you think that is the proper way to read the passage? There is nothing wrong with reading certain passages metaphorically, or interpreting them in a seemingly unlikely way, but one generally likes a good reason to do so. The 'default' is a literal, plain reading. If Christ says we receive grace by baptism, then barring conflicting passages or other evidence, it is reasonable to assume that we receive grace by baptism. Note that this is not quite the same as salvation. Obviously the grace is saving grace, and someone must be in a state of grace to enter heaven, but someone who is convicted by the Spirit but dies without getting a chance to be baptized may be saved by their faith, just as one who dies convicted but without any time to do good works may be reckoned righteous, though they may have to spend some time in Purgatory first (another subject and one beyond the scope of this post) before entering heaven.
 
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MaggieMye;65796[COLOR=blue said:
That's right...because infant baptism, just like infant salvation or being saved before one is born is not Biblical, it is hereitcal and a deceptive lie from the pit of hell.[/COLOR]
Maggie

Now let's get back to the original question: How old were you when you were ABLE TO RECEIVE salvation?
Gee, infant baptism is heretical? ROTFL. Let's see, it is not precluded by the bible. Always has been taught and practiced by the Church. Even most protestants practice it. Guess it is you few fundamentalist and cult kooks who deny it, and are trying to rewrite the bible, that are the orthodox christians? Is that what you are arguing?

WOW, you even have the Mormons on your side! That makes for credibility.

I already answered the question about when I was saved. I replied when I was Water Baptized a few months after birth. IT was some heretical nut who responded, criticizing me, like you, that prompted this exchange.

Always in Christ

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The bible nowhere teaches that it is the sole rule of faith. Yes it does: Deut 4:2, Prov 30:6, Rev. 22:18 Soooo,
here is a napkin to wipe the egg off your face. Thanks, but you need it yourself. And Cyprian is an early Church Father. Whereas, you are .... what? Church father? Which church? The RCC? So what? His writings did not even qualify to be included in the Holy Scriptures. Do you realize that the RCC is NOT the oldest? The CHRISTIAN church is the Oldest and is so named in scripture. Check out this link for many scriptures to verify this fact: http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=Christian&searchtype=all&version1=49&spanbegin=1&spanend=73

Since the Catholic Church, along with the Eastern Orthodox Church, wrote the bible, Wrong. The RCC came into being around the 2nd century. The whole of the Bible was written long before that over the course of 4000 years. God's word tells us we are to give credit where credit is due and THAT credit is not due the RCC. your comment about the Church being bibically wrong is .... a joke [to use your own word earlier]. I'm not saying that the whole of the RCC is wrong. They do believe that Christ is the Son of God and that He shed His blood for the atonement of our sins and died and rose from the dead, defeating both physical and spiritual death. HOWEVER, many of the traditions, ceremonies and rituals are pagan, having been incorporated into Christianity by Constantine in the 2nd century. Over time, it has become, for those in the RCC, more important to follow those pagan traditions, etc. than it has to follow the word of God, which until Luther was kept from the people by the priests and Rome for the sole purpose of having control over the masses of people. Rome understood that if the people found out that all they needed to have was a personal relationship with Christ and obey His written word, they would have no need of the Roman government…which extorted money from them on a consistent basis. They taught the people that if they did not do as they said,…pay alms, say x number of repetitive prayers and much more, they would burn in hell and that is simply not in God's word or His way.

Those Traditions you ridicule are Sacred Traditions passed on by the Apostles. No they are not. The apostles did not pass on traditions of men. In fact, Paul speaks against traditions of men (Gal 1:14) What the apostles did was to introduce both Jews and Gentiles to the personage of Jesus Christ and mentored them in establishing a personal relationship with Him. They have equal Authority with written Tradition -- Scripture. Excuse me?! THAT is heresy!! There is no writing on the face of the earth that equals or outranks Scripture in its authority. Moreover, the bible itself says the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth. 1 Tim 3:15b reads " the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. This says that the church (household of God, believers being the temple of the Holy Spirit) is the pillar (structure to hold something up) and support OF TRUTH. The foundation of the church is the prophets and apostles and Christ is the cornerstone (Eph 2:19-21) It is guided by the Holy Spirit in teaching on matters of faith. Unless a person, including any RCC priest, is born again per John 3 & rom 10:9-10 and has a personal relationship with Christ, it is highly unlikely that the guiding they got was holy. It was a deception. As a "former" Catholic I would think you knew this? Yes, I was taught that, but just because it was taught does not mean that it was correct! ALL deceptions are put forth, by man, as truth because the heart is so easily deceived!! (Deut 11:16, Isa 44:20, Jer 49:16, and Ob 1:3) It was the PRIDE of the leaders of the early church that allowed their hearts to accept the incorporation of the pagan rituals and ceremonies. It was pride that fostered a desire to control the people, en masse. And it was pride, FYI, that brought about all the witch trials…accusing people that were truly hearing from God of witchcraft. Why? Because RELIGION is all about man-based pride, not relationship with Jesus. What's that-- you were throwing spitballs in your religious education class when they taught it? No wonder you are a protestant. Again with the sarcasm? Is that your fruit? Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, I don't see sarcasm listed there!

The baby responds to the grace received as the baby matures.
Do babies respond to love given from Grandma 1000 miles away? No! They respond to contact and relationship. Grace is God's giving us what we do not deserve. A baby cannot respond to it because a baby is incapable of doing so. They are sanctified by a believing parent. Once confirmed in his faith by the Sacrament of Confirmation, he is on his own. Again, confirmation is not in the Bible. You think it is? Show me with verses!! That also should have been taught to a former Catholic like yourself. Yes, I went through confirmation. So? Then I went on to fornicate, lie, drink, do some drugs. What good did it do me? Scriptures say that liars go to hell! Fornicators go to hell? Guess that baby baptism and confirmation didn't really work did it? In fact, every one of my friends that got confirmed did pretty much the same things as I did! We were ALL good little Catholic girls and boys. We were! But we were NOT Christians, followers of Christ, in right relationship with Him.
It is not adding to the word of God, unless one is a fundamentalist .Oh…so if you're not a fundamentalist it's OK to add to the word of God?? Not! And scripture reiterates Rev. 22:18 several times in both OT and NT. Logic enhances one's understanding of the Word of God. Logic is the SCIENCE of reasoning and does not 'enhance' anything. So, the probability that there were infants in the household, coupled with Sacred Tradition which has always taught Infant Baptism is Christian, and the fact that the Bible does not prohibit it, means the Church's position is on solid footing whereas you have no footing. Every Biblical baptism was done by the person desiring to be baptized coming on their own volition to be baptized. Baptism was not something that was DONE TO a person.
Babies were DEDICATED (Jewish culture, on the 8th day, also the day of circumcision, believers were baptized. Grace for both intact. Babies cannot believe without cognitive ability that does not develop until they are older.

Seriously, if infant baptism was a no no, I would think the bible would mention that.
The does not say to not bite your fingernails or your toenails either, but it does not mention it. IT IS COMMON SENSE given as WISDOM by God. You're trying to insert a prohibition into the bible, where none has ever existed, is ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD! On the contrary, YOU are attempting to promote something that is not mentioned in Scripture, adding to the word of God. You are accusing me of something you are doing, and which I am not doing. Then show me, specifically, in the Bible, where is says that anyone's baby was baptized rather than dedicated.

There really is no serious question about infant baptism except among heretics.
That's right, there isn't. Simply, it is heretical to assume that something is God ordained when it is not found in His written word.
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Indeed, it does matter. You need to be less selective in what you read, and more discerning in your understanding:

Titus 3:5-7 – “He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ, so that we might be justified by His grace and become heirs of eternal life.” This is a powerful text which proves that baptism regenerates our souls and is thus salvific. The “washing of regeneration” “saves us.” Regeneration is never symbolic, and the phrase “saved us” refers to salvation. By baptism, we become justified by His grace (interior change) and heirs of eternal life (filial adoption). Because this refers to baptism, the verse is about the beginning of the life in Christ. No righteous deeds done before baptism could save us. Righteous deeds after baptism are necessary for our salvation.

There is also a definite parallel between John 3:5 and Titus 3:5: (1) John 3:5 – enter the kingdom of God / Titus 3:5 – He saved us. (2) John 3:5 – born of water / Titus 3:5 – washing. (3) John 3:5 – born of the Spirit / Titus 3:5 – renewal in the Spirit.


1 Peter 3:21 - Peter expressly writes that “baptism, corresponding to Noah's ark, now saves you; not as a removal of dirt from the body, but for a clear conscience. “ Hence, the verse demonstrates that baptism is salvific (it saves us), and deals with the interior life of the person (purifying the conscience, like Heb. 10:22), and not the external life (removing dirt from the body). Many scholars believe the phrase "not as a removal of dirt from the body" is in reference to the Jewish ceremony of circumcision (but, at a minimum, shows that baptism is not about the exterior, but interior life). Baptism is now the “circumcision” of the new Covenant (Col. 2:11-12), but it, unlike the old circumcision, actually saves us, as Noah and his family were saved by water.

And you need to pay heed to the Church which TEACHES, and which gave you that bible which you so paganly worship!

Go in Christ and Sin No More

Amen
What can be said, can be said from the Bible.

Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
 
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Somewhere around 8 or 9 years old, though it was around 12 grade when I started to think of at more of a relationship with God and not just trying to my to follow his rules.
 
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Leendert: What was the name of the DVD set?
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Total onslaught by walter Veight
 
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I was saved 12 years ago when I was 30 years old. I never believed in God growing up; I didn't understand how people could believe in something they couldn't see. My dad would ask me when I was younger if I had said my nightly prayers, and I thought, how can someone pray? It's like talking to yourself.

Anyway, a friend gave me one of those little pocket New Testaments and told me I should take a look at it. I was looking at a few verses, and I thought, how can I believe this? How on earth does a person believe this just by reading it? And that's when God spoke to my heart and showed me that it was real. That day, my eyes were finally opened to understand the scriptures. The Word became alive that day.

That day, it was like the earth shifted on its axis, a movement so slight that only I felt it, yet so intense it brought me to a new perspective of everything. The whole day was ethereal after that; everything was perfect. It was almost like a glimpse of heaven. And I could finally see beyond the facade of this world.....

Oops, I got so dreamy thinking about those first days that I think I slipped into a testimony! LOL. :D
I was just a lil kid. I knew there was a God and I believed. But I didn't come to know God until I was in my 40's. Now thank God I know him and He's alive inside of me. Praise and glory to God the most high. God bless u
 
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What can be said, can be said from the Bible.

Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
What can and should be said regarding christian faith, can and should be said from whatever legitimate source God has provided. Those sources are: bible [written Tradition], Sacred Tradition [oral Tradition] and the Church's Teaching Authority [Magisterium].

To artificially exclude any of these sources is to reject the fullness of God's Truth.

Be in Christ

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All that is truth to be said of the Christian faith comes only from the Bible and the Bible ONLY.

Maggie
 

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I know there is some debate on wether one could know the Lord even as a baby but I know for some this is true. My earlyest memories , when in diapers, I can recall talking to Jesus. I asked myself this question and the only answer I have is before I was born. My mom wrote in my babybook the prayers I made up before age two. I was raised in the catholic church and often struggled with the idea that only the priest or a saint could talk to God because I talked to Jesus all the time. I was very young when I gave my life to Jesus, less than seven, I remember well telling him wanted to serve him in whatever he asked. Through christian friends I came to know that my relationship with Jesus was what he wanted and was ok. I discovered I had the gift of tongues that day. I was about 12 then. I know for many there is one defining moment but for me my lfe has been full of them. Each time I become aware of another part of myself that I have not given to Jesus. Jesus told the parable of those who worked from the begining of the day, some in the middle and these towards the end but all recieved equal pay. Also God said he was with John the baptiser even within the womb. I believe it has never mattered when, Just that we do accept Jesus into our hearts. Jesus said it is not you who chose me but I who chose you. For those that say a child cannot know right from wrong, I can only say that when it came too the word I knew. It was not untill I came across scripture in 1John that I understood how it was I knew. It was in my heart already. I have wondered sometimes why I knew Jesus so early in my life, the answer I was given to me was because I would need him so much. God bless, pickles
 
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16 yrs old.
 
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MaggieMye

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I know there is some debate on wether one could know the Lord even as a baby but I know for some this is true. My earlyest memories , when in diapers, I can recall talking to Jesus. Medical science has proven that no child can remember what happens to them before the age of 4 or 5. Most likely it is something that was given to you as a dream when you were older, as God's way of telling you that you have had a special call on your life from before the time you were born. I asked myself this question and the only answer I have is before I was born.That is not Biblical either. Each person must make a intelligent CHOICE to choose and follow Jesus. My mom wrote in my babybook the prayers I made up before age two. I was raised in the catholic church and often struggled with the idea that only the priest or a saint could talk to God because I talked to Jesus all the time. I was very young when I gave my life to Jesus, less than seven, I remember well telling him wanted to serve him in whatever he asked. Through christian friends I came to know that my relationship with Jesus was what he wanted and was ok. I discovered I had the gift of tongues that day. I was about 12 then. I know for many there is one defining moment but for me my lfe has been full of them. Each time I become aware of another part of myself that I have not given to Jesus. Jesus told the parable of those who worked from the begining of the day, some in the middle and these towards the end but all recieved equal pay. Also God said he was with John the baptiser even within the womb. I believe it has never mattered when, Just that we do accept Jesus into our hearts. Jesus said it is not you who chose me but I who chose you. For those that say a child cannot know right from wrong, I can only say that when it came too the word I knew. It was not untill I came across scripture in 1John that I understood how it was I knew. It was in my heart already. I have wondered sometimes why I knew Jesus so early in my life, the answer I was given to me was because I would need him so much. God bless, pickles I am very glad for you! So what is it that you do with this 'anointing' on your life? What capacity of ministry are you involved in?
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I know there is some debate on wether one could know the Lord even as a baby but I know for some this is true. My earlyest memories , when in diapers, I can recall talking to Jesus. Medical science has proven that no child can remember what happens to them before the age of 4 or 5. Most likely it is something that was given to you as a dream when you were older, as God's way of telling you that you have had a special call on your life from before the time you were born. I asked myself this question and the only answer I have is before I was born.That is not Biblical either. Each person must make a intelligent CHOICE to choose and follow Jesus. My mom wrote in my babybook the prayers I made up before age two. I was raised in the catholic church and often struggled with the idea that only the priest or a saint could talk to God because I talked to Jesus all the time. I was very young when I gave my life to Jesus, less than seven, I remember well telling him wanted to serve him in whatever he asked. Through christian friends I came to know that my relationship with Jesus was what he wanted and was ok. I discovered I had the gift of tongues that day. I was about 12 then. I know for many there is one defining moment but for me my lfe has been full of them. Each time I become aware of another part of myself that I have not given to Jesus. Jesus told the parable of those who worked from the begining of the day, some in the middle and these towards the end but all recieved equal pay. Also God said he was with John the baptiser even within the womb. I believe it has never mattered when, Just that we do accept Jesus into our hearts. Jesus said it is not you who chose me but I who chose you. For those that say a child cannot know right from wrong, I can only say that when it came too the word I knew. It was not untill I came across scripture in 1John that I understood how it was I knew. It was in my heart already. I have wondered sometimes why I knew Jesus so early in my life, the answer I was given to me was because I would need him so much. God bless, pickles I am very glad for you! So what is it that you do with this 'anointing' on your life? What capacity of ministry are you involved in?
Maggie
I know drs say you cannot remember but for me ,I do. I remember waking in my crib and crying and know one answered. I was in a really wet diaper and sad. I remember asking God why I was so alone. He told me because they could not hear me. So I climbed out of my crib. I remember sliding down the stairs on my tummy untill I reach the bacement where my mom was washing clothing. I started crying again when I saw her. I remember thinking that I wanted to see God, but everyone said I couldnt because his love was so bright we would be blinded. So I practiced looking at the sun so that I would be able to see him. My mom found me looking at the sun and told me to stop, it would hurt my eyes. I never told her why I looked, I thought Id get in trouble. So I sat on the side stairs and ate ants instead. I have the worst short term memory but long term I can remember in detail. I also remember at age 4, my father beating me and beating me and I did not know why. He hit me with the belt till I cried, then he hit me for crying. This went on for some time and I was broken inside by all of it. When a gentle voice came in my heart saying it wasnt my fault, your daddy is sick. You are loved. As I said Jesus knew how much I needed him. As to how I serve? Mostly praying for others, often with understanding and compassion. Sometimes I just know how things will turn out when others ask for prayer. As Ive said before Im often called to do many things in Jesus's name. I have often wondered why so many different gifts for so many different times in my life. The truth is it is never up to me but God our fathers will and the grace of Jesus and the gifts of his spirit. Much of my life is confined now due to pain and my youngest dd needs as she is disabled. So mostly I pray now, I care for a beautiful garden that God has blessed me with. I know that there is a plan in my future but I sence that God our father is working on me for that right now. Alot to do with overcoming fear. When I was a child Jesus's presance was so strong in my life, but as I look back it was but a drop in the ocean compared to what he has revealed to me now and even now it is but a glimce, a look through the glass darkly.What joy to know that God our father is so much more. I hope this answers your questions, I know I always have plenty of those myself. God bless, pickles
 

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Pickles: I too thought I had a memory of being in my crib in front of the window in the farm house that we lived in when I was about a year-1 1/2 years old. My mom tells me that it never happened. We didn't move to that farmhouse until I was about three years old. It is a false memory, most liikely a dream.
Bottom line is this: Unless you have (and I think you do) a live relationship with Jesus, you are not born again. And while most people can give their age or even a date as to when the transformation began, there are many who just gradually step into a realization of who He is.
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A child may be filled with the Spirit from birth. Its possible.
Nonetheless a child may pray to God. These people who say it cannot happen before they understand, don't understand God is in charge even before the child is born, God's timescale is not the same as ours. Seeds may be planted as an infant.
 
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The Sovereignty of God,

remember what Jesus said:

Mat 21:15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things which He did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David, they were angry.
Mat 21:16 And they said to Him, Do you hear what these say? And Jesus said to them, Yes, have you never read, "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings You have perfected praise?"

Sometimes religious people today get angry when children praise God, or are baptised or otherwise.
 
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A child may be filled with the Spirit from birth. Its possible.
Nonetheless a child may pray to God. These people who say it cannot happen before they understand, don't understand God is in charge even before the child is born, God's timescale is not the same as ours. Seeds may be planted as an infant.
So do we baptize all children, "just in case"? That doesn't seem right to me....as well as my other point in another thread that baptizing infants willy nilly kind of takes the focus off of Jesus.

Haaa, when I wrote that first line, made me think of that new Geico ad....snicker.
 
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