How Should Christians Vote?

Hevosmies · Aug 22, 2020

America dominates the world. English is the "world language" and not just any english, AMERICAN english specifically. I read about American politics IN MY NEWS all the time. I live across the pond and all I hear about is Trump this, Biden that, so clearly America is #1 in this world. I dont hear much about politics in China or India, nobody gives a HOOT about those hellholes. I would rather die than live in either!

EleventhHour · Aug 22, 2020

Hevosmies said:

Does this have anything to do with what I wrote. No.
American politics sells papers and China is a closed system for the most part, although given the increasing aggressiveness of China you should be paying attention.

kaylagrl · Aug 22, 2020

Ronja said:

The Bible is firm about homosexuality. A person who practices homosexuality will not enter heaven. This does not mean God doesn't love them, it doesn't mean we shouldn't or we shouldn't share the Good News with them. But if you are a Christian you cannot hold with this lifestyle. It is wrong, it's against God's plan for sex, which is between a man and a woman. Period.

Ronja said:

If you are talking illegal immigrants then there is quite a simple solution, come legally. Many of these children are being sex trafficked, please look up some facts on that. America has always taken in immigrants who come legally. It's easier to come in to America legally than my home country of Canada. My cousin, who married an Englishman, had a terrible time trying to get him into the country. She had to go to England for a period of time time until they were able to get him legally in the country. America has always taken in the immigrant and people from war torn countries. Ilhad Omar is from one such country and is in government today. So you lack facts. Any country will turn away illegals.

Ronja said:

Bear with me as I tell some personal stories. I'm from a place that has "free healthcare" a misnomer because we are taxed to death. But read carefully the following stories...

My aunt, my mother's only sister came down with stomach cancer. She was 43 yrs old. She found this out when one day she was lying on the couch and had a pain so bad she was knocked off the couch onto the floor and was bleeding from her mouth. She had seen the doctor often with stomach issues. We were out of town and rushed home to be with her. They told her she had an ulcer that had turned cancerous. They removed her stomach and said she didn't need chemo. She died several months later, leaving behind her two pre-teens.

My uncle took cancer in his 50s. He told his doc he had a history of cancer in his family and he wanted to be tested and his doc laughed and him and said he was too young for a colonoscopy. A couple years later he came down with bowel cancel. The treatments he had to endure were so horrible that he had to wear gloves because he would burn his skin if he touched anything. He died no long after.

My cousin came down with a horrible ear infection. It was so severe that one night she left her husband with the kids and went to emergency. They had told her she would have to wait 7 months, not several, SEVEN months to see a doctor. She could no longer stand the pain and went to emergency where the doctor accused her of being a drug addict!!! Had never seen her before and with no evidence to back this up and seeing a young woman in pain, he told her this. She said she walked out of the office and fell on her knees in the hallway, sobbing. The doc came out and found her there. She told him she had three young boys at home and she couldn't handle the pain. He apologized for calling her an addict and got her an appointment for a specialist. By the time she got the help she needed she had lost hearing in that ear.

The final story is my own mother. The first of this year she took heavy bleeding. We rushed her to emergency, and they sent her to a gyno. It was cancer. Knowing the history of our family, we were all devastated. We feared for her life and all we could do is ask for prayer from family and friends. The gyno said she had to have surgery, immediately. She secured a place for her at the hospital in the city, we went that very day. They began 5wks of treatment of both chemo and radiation. Then they had her in surgery. That fast. I haven't yet filtered through all of it in my mind. My sister told moms doctor that had she been in Canada they would have put her on a list and it could have taken some months before she could get surgery. The doctor looked at my sister and said directly "she would not have lived". She just had her first check up and we are so happy that she is cancer free. My sister mentioned how our aunt had died of stomach cancer. The doctor said she had been mis-diagnosed and was alarmed that she had had no chemo or radiation. Those are my personal stories in dealing with free healthcare. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

Ronja said:

More than any other place in the world American has helped more people come out of poverty. Stats back this up. They have taken in thousands upon thousands of immigrants. If there is any disaster in the world America is the first on the scene to help. We are a giving country. More so than any other country. So please stop with the false narrative that because we don't want to be overrun with illegal immigrants that we don't care. It's an utter lie.

soggykitten · Aug 22, 2020

Ronja said:

I believe you should re-read American history. Democrats did not free the slaves, nor did they give the freed slaves the guarantee of equal rights. Republicans did.

I guess you threw out the Bible? It isn't a sin to be homosexual. It is a sin to act out sexually as a homosexual. And unrepentant immoral sinners of any kind will go to Hell.
Homosexuals had equal rights as citizens. What they seek and still seek are special rights. And now that they've been given the right to marry, which wasn't under the purview of the USSC who invoked the 14th Amendment as cause, they seek to stymie the Christian right to hold to our faith and call their behavior a sin!
Now, it isn't they who may lose their job if they're outted as a gay person, it is us! If it is found out we ascribe to the Bible and God's plan of marriage between one man and one woman.

I have no idea what you're talking about there. The Democrats didn't accomplish that. People have always had the right to go to a doctor. If you're talking about Obamacare, you may want to do your research on that.

Again, no idea what you're referring to.

That which appeared on TV when Trump was running for office actually occurred in 2005. Trump rededicated himself to Christ long after that. God forgives Donald Trump his sins and remembers them no more. Why do you regurgitate here what God has forgotten?

If you're a Democrat then I can understand why when you aren't actually aware of what you're talking about above.

If you're a Democrat given how the Democrats have comported themselves these last four years, and against a man of God, whom God put in charge over us, according to scripture, and you support the Democrats come November 3rd, God help you.

If Biden/Harris win and the Democrats take majority in Congress, God help us all.

sherryt · Aug 22, 2020

Ronja said:

Bill Clinton: (slick willie) Did you believe him when he went on national tv and stated "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH MONICA LEWINSKY ???? It was proven that he lied, just one of other lies told to the American people.
During his deposition on the above he was asked "Is oral sex performed on you within that definition as you understand it?" Clinton responded: "As I understand, it was not." (and this was an adult who was the president of the United States? makes you wonder.)
Clinton was asked if he ever touched Lewinsky in intimate places, Clinton denied this was ever done which was later proven to be a lie, it was his fluid in Monica's dress (DNA confirmed)

Then we have Hillary: She lied about Benghazi on more then one occasion. Her remembered statement (paraphrasing) " It's done just get over it" this was in reference to four - 4 - American citizens being killed to include ambassador Stevens. She complained that the Benghazi probe was "the longest running congressional investigation ever" (this was after the 4 American's were killed) This was proven to be a lie.
She also stated "we have now driven healthcare costs down to the lowest they have been in fifty years." Another lie.

There are 30 more lies that she told apart from Bill that can be found on POLITIFACT (which is fact checking) If you care to look. I am aware she was never a president BUT IN 2016 SHE RAN.

Please give me the facts you stated about President Trump and how he has lied, also please give me the name(s) of former presidents and I can show you lies told. May I suggest there are times that you have to look at what a president does for the country as opposed to how many lies you state that they have told. I am in agreement All Politicians lie in one form or another, but I stand on the 2nd sentence in this paragraph.

One more thing: If you have decided that Biden will make a better president and your concerned about lying, take a look at the many lies he has told just this year. Also make note to look at his record in the past 40yrs.
Respectfully,
Sherry

sherryt · Aug 22, 2020

posthuman said:

Unless I missed something are you stating we should not vote since all parties lie ? You mentioned both the GOP and the DNC. How about voting for the individual who cares for us and has proven it in the last 3 plus years. If you are looking for an individual that does not lie you missed Him by about two thousand years.

hornetguy · Aug 22, 2020

Ronja said:

What are some examples of his egregious lies? I know President Trump says things off the top of his head, and comes back later and corrects/clarifies them.... what blatant lies have you heard?
I heard a BUNCH of them from Bill Clinton (deference to your delicate sensibilities about nicknames) and Hillary lies constantly.
Personally, in my many years of watching politicians, I find the democrats to be more accomplished liars than conservatives.
Even Obama.... remember "if you want to keep your doctor, you CAN"
You are seeing President Trump through glasses clouded by the main stream media, which is purely the propaganda arm of the new democratic socialist party.

And, you are incorrect about giving people you DON'T like nicknames. You probably don't remember everyone calling John Kennedy "Jack" .... but you are correct, I don't like Slick Willie... .and I'm not the one that gave him that nickname.

I suppose you're ok with calling President Trump "cheeto", or "that orange guy".... or calling people that like him "Trumpsters".

Mii · Aug 22, 2020

Do any of you who think the national election is of utmost importance vote in your city/county/state elections that aren't on November 3rd?

You can change your town, county...you "may" be able to change your state. Nationally? I'll leave that up to you. Ask yourself if one vote "actually" makes a difference on a national level and the amount of "audience" you give to national affairs being good stewardship of your mental energy or not.

hornetguy · Aug 22, 2020

This really boils down to "should we only vote for a moral, upright person for president"
I did not vote for President Trump because of his "morals". I voted for him because I thought he would do the best job of being president, among those that were viable candidates. (personally, I would have loved to see Ben Carson as pres, but that was not a choice)
I don't NEED a "moral compass" as a president. I have one of those, already. I vote for who I think will do the best job of running this country.
Personally, I think President Trump is boorish, and abrasive (at times).... but he has done a spectacular job of turning our country around, both fiscally and internationally. If you don't see that, just consider that it took the corona virus shutting down the whole economy, putting millions out of work, etc, to drag the economy back down to where it was during Obama's BEST years. Obama almost ruined the country, telling the American people "this is the new normal... get used to it". He was wrong. President Trump PROVED that, and will continue to prove it. The economy is already starting to turn around, and will continue to do so under his leadership... in SPITE of the new democrat socialists, and the RINO's.

Nehemiah6 · Aug 22, 2020

Mii said:

Every vote makes a difference on the national level (provided it is legal).

Mii · Aug 22, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

I would encourage you to research that, you seem to be on the up and up on more than a few things. Again though, so many people operate as though ONLY the national election for the presidency matters and this is gross error.

Donald trump this Donald trump that (insert top 10 names) when there are how many politicians nationally.

hornetguy · Aug 22, 2020

Mii said:

That is a direct result of the propaganda arm of the new democratic socialist party.... THEY are the ones that control what you see and read. THEY are the ones that turn every news story into "it's TRUMP'S fault" .

There is a world of news happening out there, but the propaganda machine has ONE objective.... to defeat President Trump. That is all you will read/hear, until the election.

Mii · Aug 22, 2020

hornetguy said:

I saw something of the reverse with the former president. Not the to the same degree (obviously) but still few people focused on anything but the former president or HRC. Then of course an absurd amount of coverage on the national healthcare program. The interactions of politicians as well as how to get involved is part of the issue. Few people take the time to write to politicians and rarely is enough useful information related to their constituents.

Far too many "what ifs" spun out into years of coverage.

Nationalization of the news is probably one of the most limiting factors in local discussions. Perhaps the starfish analogy is relevant here though?

I did see Ted Cruz make an effort at least with a creative prop.

You could look up "boondoggle ted cruz" if you haven't seen the video. If coverage were more like this we could have some honest productive discussion, but this is a minority from what I've seen. I usually only listen to the radio/sift the net (I don't like watching TV) so it is possible that I miss stuff like this, but I rather doubt it.

I'd like to say more, but this isn't really BDF material and I don't want publicly posted content taken out of context

tourist · Aug 22, 2020

hornetguy said:

This really boils down to "should we only vote for a moral, upright person for president"
I did not vote for President Trump because of his "morals". I voted for him because I thought he would do the best job of being president, among those that were viable candidates. (personally, I would have loved to see Ben Carson as pres, but that was not a choice)
I don't NEED a "moral compass" as a president. I have one of those, already. I vote for who I think will do the best job of running this country.
Personally, I think President Trump is boorish, and abrasive (at times).... but he has done a spectacular job of turning our country around, both fiscally and internationally. If you don't see that, just consider that it took the corona virus shutting down the whole economy, putting millions out of work, etc, to drag the economy back down to where it was during Obama's BEST years. Obama almost ruined the country, telling the American people "this is the new normal... get used to it". He was wrong. President Trump PROVED that, and will continue to prove it. The economy is already starting to turn around, and will continue to do so under his leadership... in SPITE of the new democrat socialists, and the RINO's.

MAGA

Nehemiah6 · Aug 22, 2020

Mii said:

While municipal, county, provincial, state elections etc are all important, the election of the President or Prime Minister of a nation is critical. The direction which the country takes is based upon the direction of the political leader. And let's face it. Most political leaders have failed their countries.

Donald Trump failed America by being caught napping on January 1, 2020. Instead o selecting patriotic, ethical, professional people of high integrity to become a part of his Task Force, he put all the self-serving and corrupt Swamp dwellers on that commission.

As a result the whole response to the pandemic hoax was a TOTAL DISASTER. Then he failed to learn his lessons even after the lies, manipulation, and corruption of these people and agencies were exposed. As a result, at least 100,000 lives were lost unnecessary, thousands of businesses were destroyed, and millions of Americans were subjected to needless suffering and state control. Now the State controls the lives of people in both the USA and Canada.

In spite of this no one in their right mind -- nor in good conscience -- can vote for another TOTAL DISASTER which is Joe Biden. If Biden, Harris, and the Democrats gain power, that will be the end of America. They are bound and determined to destroy America.

Ronja · Aug 22, 2020

hornetguy said:

Actually no, I call him Donald Trump, since that is his name.
The thing is that you cannot watch Facebook etc for news, then yes, you will get a lot of bullshit. However the things I am thinking of are things I have heard him say in speeches. And therefor they are directly from his mouth.
And no, some of them might not be lies, but I kinda hope they were because that would make him less stupid.
He claims that the EU was made to destabilize America. This is not the case. He claims that the world is laughing at America. That WAS not the case. They do now, but when he claimed it, no, most countries didn’t.
He claimed that America has lower numbers of Corona cases than almost all other counties. He then corrected with “less then the world”, and what does that even mean XD?
He claimed there had been something terrible happening in Sweden one night due to immigration. The Swedes where wondering what he was talking about.
He claims climate change isn’t real even though science says it is. I guess money comes first when it comes to his belief system.
He has even lied about how many floors there are in Trump Tower.
He claimed that the Spanish flu ended the Second World War, even though it ended before the war even begun.
This is not even mentioning all the times he has thrown out numbers because they sound good, and spreading rumors without any proof, something that is very dangerous for a president or any figure in power to do.
Need I go on?

Ronja · Aug 22, 2020

sherryt said:

Bill Clinton: (slick willie) Did you believe him when he went on national tv and stated "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH MONICA LEWINSKY ???? It was proven that he lied, just one of other lies told to the American people.
During his deposition on the above he was asked "Is oral sex performed on you within that definition as you understand it?" Clinton responded: "As I understand, it was not." (and this was an adult who was the president of the United States? makes you wonder.)
Clinton was asked if he ever touched Lewinsky in intimate places, Clinton denied this was ever done which was later proven to be a lie, it was his fluid in Monica's dress (DNA confirmed)

Then we have Hillary: She lied about Benghazi on more then one occasion. Her remembered statement (paraphrasing) " It's done just get over it" this was in reference to four - 4 - American citizens being killed to include ambassador Stevens. She complained that the Benghazi probe was "the longest running congressional investigation ever" (this was after the 4 American's were killed) This was proven to be a lie.
She also stated "we have now driven healthcare costs down to the lowest they have been in fifty years." Another lie.

There are 30 more lies that she told apart from Bill that can be found on POLITIFACT (which is fact checking) If you care to look. I am aware she was never a president BUT IN 2016 SHE RAN.

Please give me the facts you stated about President Trump and how he has lied, also please give me the name(s) of former presidents and I can show you lies told. May I suggest there are times that you have to look at what a president does for the country as opposed to how many lies you state that they have told. I am in agreement All Politicians lie in one form or another, but I stand on the 2nd sentence in this paragraph.

One more thing: If you have decided that Biden will make a better president and your concerned about lying, take a look at the many lies he has told just this year. Also make note to look at his record in the past 40yrs.
Respectfully,
Sherry

I never claimed that democratic leaders don’t lie. In fact I said that all politicians (and people) do. But I have never seen and heard a person of power this ignorant of the truth and the honor of his opponents than Trump.
You as republicans deserve better than him. He might have done good things in his time in the office, but he has divided America and tarnished its image over the world. THAT is what he has accomplished in those few years since the election.

soggykitten · Aug 22, 2020

Mii said:

I would encourage you to research that, you seem to be on the up and up on more than a few things. Again though, so many people operate as though ONLY the national election for the presidency matters and this is gross error.

Donald trump this Donald trump that (insert top 10 names) when there are how many politicians nationally.

Please define, Politician, per your understanding.

soggykitten · Aug 22, 2020

sherryt said:

From what I've read Posthuman is strong anti-Trump. You'll not convince him of anything. He doesn't vote, which isn't Biblical, and as such he has no room to complain about what befalls himself or his loved ones due to who does get into the office of controls over himself and his loved ones.

soggykitten · Aug 22, 2020

Ronja said:

I never claimed that democratic leaders don’t lie. In fact I said that all politicians (and people) do. But I have never seen and heard a person of power this ignorant of the truth and the honor of his opponents than Trump.
You as republicans deserve better than him. He might have done good things in his time in the office, but he has divided America and tarnished its image over the world. THAT is what he has accomplished in those few years since the election.

Please list every example that sustains your observations of my President. Thank you.

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