How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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GaryA

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Which also disregards the phrase in 1Cor15:23 "[re: resurrection] But EACH [a word meaning "of more than two"] in his OWN ORDER / RANK" (which word means there is an "ORDER / RANK" to it; not that there remains only ONE at a SINGULAR point in time).
You are confusing number-of-people, order/rank, and number-of-resurrection-occurrences.

1 Corinthians 15:

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Christ is the firstfruits.

In this context, there are no more firstfruits after Christ.

Christ alone is the firstfruits.

The order is:

1) Christ (the firstfruits) - when He resurrected

2) 'they' (all who are His) - at His coming
 

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You've not yet proven the "pre-trib rapture" to be a "lie". ;)

Well, it's been disproven in multiple ways. The bible only promotes post-trib for the rapture. The few verses pre-trib relies upon are not rapture related and are always misunderstood, while ignoring a larger amount of verses which are clear about the rapture happening after the trib. There are two main passages that speak of the rapture and it's timing and both are, no surprise, post trib. I've posted them many times and can again at request.
 
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Yeah, most pre-tribbers think they came up with the doctrine through personal Bible study. What they don't see (or refuse to acknowledge) is the Cash Machine that has fueled the popularity and spread of pre-trib ideas. It also appeals to Christians who have no experience of maturing within the house of God to become reliable sons of God. These are those who say they are "merely sinners saved by grace" to absolve themselves of the expectation to mature; thinking that the Lord will transport them out of harm's way provides no incentive to be conformed to the fullness of the stature that is Christ. This doctrine keeps them immature and unable to bear the weight of kingdom responsibilities. It's exactly the kind of teaching the Enemy of the saints would create.
Lol
Shooting the messenger.
That is desperation.
Look up the origins of postrib doctrine in the early church.

But no..you wont.

Better yet, post one postrib rapture verse.
But no you do not have one. About all you guys will post is some made up statement "you guys do not have any pre-trib Rapture verses "
and so the dishonesty goes into its circular pattern.
 
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Well, it's been disproven in multiple ways. The bible only promotes post-trib for the rapture. The few verses pre-trib relies upon are not rapture related and are always misunderstood, while ignoring a larger amount of verses which are clear about the rapture happening after the trib. There are two main passages that speak of the rapture and it's timing and both are, no surprise, post trib. I've posted them many times and can again at request.
what are you referring to?

Let me guess

You will not answer.
 
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And here is the predictable Pre-trib Ad Hominem personal attack. You have no scripture to support Pre-trib so all you have left is to attack the other people. Pot calling the kettle black.

For those reading, if you don't agree with Pre-tribbers they will question/deny your salvation! Nice crowd huh?
pure baloney.

Prove it.

You will not
 
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And here is the predictable Pre-trib Ad Hominem personal attack. You have no scripture to support Pre-trib so all you have left is to attack the other people. Pot calling the kettle black.

For those reading, if you don't agree with Pre-tribbers they will question/deny your salvation! Nice crowd huh?
Ahem....
Right out of your colleagues post-trib workbook PowerPoints. ....

"""DavidTree said:
"Your carnal exegesis is not approved by the Holy Spirit - i urge you to repent from believing a lie for carnal pleasure."""

Go back and read some of his posttribber personal attack a true Champion of personal attacks.

We are considered liars sent from hell.
 
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Wackiness is not believing what the LORD said: Revelation 3:11-12
"I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who overcomes..."

1.) He is Coming
2.) they have been given crowns already ( you cannot see them, can you)
3.) You must overcome (or lose your crown) = so that no one will take your crown

Avoid the temptation of seeking to bypass Scripture and twist it to conform to the lie of pre-trib by obedience to Christ and His words.
None of that makes any sense.
 
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Another Ad Hominem personal attack from a Pre-tribber.
My reason for being here is scripture.
Concept vs concept.
Anytime any of you want to go toe to toe i am game.
All i am seeing is conjecture from postribbers
 
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Ahem....
Right out of your colleagues post-trib workbook PowerPoints. ....

"""DavidTree said:
"Your carnal exegesis is not approved by the Holy Spirit - i urge you to repent from believing a lie for carnal pleasure."""

Go back and read some of his posttribber personal attack a true Champion of personal attacks.

We are considered liars sent from hell.
Christ died for our sins and raised us into New LIFE.
The statement is true and i did not question anyone's salvation.
Our New Life centers around Christ and is the Place where we meet for fellowship - in Truth
Pre-trib is not just error it is against Scripture and is against the Fellowship of the Saints.

We are living in the days prophesied by the Apostle Paul - 2 Timothy 4:3

"For there will be a time when they will not endure sound teaching, but according to the own desires, having an itching ear, they will gather around them teachers to suit themselves,"

Dear Brother, leave the 'crowd pleasers' and run towards the Fellowship of Truth -
Found only in Him, His Word and His Holy Spirit which you have.

God never left His Throne
and HE never abandons His Own
HE is the King of Righteousness
better take heed or you will miss
HE made Straight our Paths
it is not hard to do the Math
There is One Elohim who came to earth
HE came to overcome the Dearth
In His Cup is Fullness of Life
Drink from It and you become His Wife
Never a moment will HE let you go
HIS Hand is Strong from the Get-Go
prophets come and prophets go
Only the Truth will Christ Show
Never a moment, never a time
Will Christ come up short
and leave you behind

Not one of His Saints will be 'left behind' when HE Comes for us - His Coming is according to 1 Thess & 2 Thess & Rev ch 19&20.
 
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And here is the predictable Pre-trib Ad Hominem personal attack. You have no scripture to support Pre-trib so all you have left is to attack the other people. Pot calling the kettle black.

For those reading, if you don't agree with Pre-tribbers they will question/deny your salvation! Nice crowd huh?

You are not disagreeing with me you are disagreeing with The Bible...God's word.
You will eventually deal with that.
 
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Just one verse that says "Jesus wil pre-trib rapture you before the Resurrection"

If you can just find one.....................
An advocate must present evidence of his conclusion. Why can't you do that...you have been asked for it several times.
All you do is alledge...where's the beef?.
 
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You are not disagreeing with me you are disagreeing with The Bible...God's word.
You will eventually deal with that.
i am ready, and have been, to repent in a moments notice of such "disagreement with God's word" - what about YOU ???

Now prove it by the Word of God, and if you cannot, i suggest you humble your pride against Him and His Body.

Bring forth the Scripture that says "Christ will pre-trib His Elect BEFORE the Resurrection."