How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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There is no such thing as a "tribulation saint". (no scripture) Saints are saints and all are members of the church body.
The pre-tribs will reference this Revelation 7
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This Scripture clearly exposes the lie of pre-trib, however, for the LORD leaves not one of His Saints behind.

So now they need another lie to cover their many errors - which is another twisting of scripture = Matthew 25: 1-13

The error of pre-trib cannot stop producing more and more error - more and more twisting of God's words.

They have gone to such extreme error as to now say there are Two Different Gospels - one for the Jew and one for the Gentile.
 

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The pre-tribs will reference this Revelation 7
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This Scripture clearly exposes the lie of pre-trib, however, for the LORD leaves not one of His Saints behind.

So now they need another lie to cover their many errors - which is another twisting of scripture = Matthew 25: 1-13

The error of pre-trib cannot stop producing more and more error - more and more twisting of God's words.

They have gone to such extreme error as to now say there are Two Different Gospels - one for the Jew and one for the Gentile.
The saints had to be IN the GT in order to come OUT of it.

The pretrib rapture boat has so many holes it's bound to sink eventually.
 
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5 foolish virgins stay
5 wise go into marriage chamber.
Bride becomes wife in heaven.
And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said,
‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

The 5 foolish were rejected by the LORD at HIS COMING.

Not one of His Saints will be left behind = HE did not know them.

Research what the Scripture says, when "a Man knows a Woman' = what that term actually means in TRUTH.
 
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The saints had to be IN the GT in order to come OUT of it.

The pretrib rapture boat has so many holes it's bound to sink eventually.
Another twist and lie they do = change the meaning "came out from" to mean they were never in it - they were "pre-trib out of".

Wide is the path and crooked the way.

There is a special blender you can purchase - it's called a Religion Blender it is made by a company called 'Intellect'

You throw in scripture and then add your own words(for flavor) hit Blend an out comes pre-trib rapture.

Many other concoctions can be made as well.
 

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Another twist and lie they do = change the meaning "came out from" to mean they were never in it - they were "pre-trib out of".

Wide is the path and crooked the way.

There is a special blender you can purchase - it's called a Religion Blender it is made by a company called 'Intellect'

You throw in scripture and then add your own words(for flavor) hit Blend an out comes pre-trib rapture.

Many other concoctions can be made as well.
David, you don't believe in pre-trib and apparently Lucy doesn't either--did you mean to respond to her? As she said they have to be IN the GT in order to come OUT of it--meaning they were in the midst of it, such as "We made it THRU the war", "Noah and 7 others were saved THRU the flood--they went thru the whole of the flood until the land dried up--they were saved by the ARK (which is symbolic of Christ). Also she said the 'pre-trib' rapture has many wholes in it--so she is not a pre-tribber.
 
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David, you don't believe in pre-trib and apparently Lucy doesn't either--did you mean to respond to her? As she said they have to be IN the GT in order to come OUT of it--meaning they were in the midst of it, such as "We made it THRU the war", "Noah and 7 others were saved THRU the flood--they went thru the whole of the flood until the land dried up--they were saved by the ARK (which is symbolic of Christ). Also she said the 'pre-trib' rapture has many wholes in it--so she is not a pre-tribber.
Lucy and i are on the same page - His word.
My response to her is in agreement with her understanding.
 

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The pre-tribs will reference this Revelation 7
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
That's just ONE ^ passage among MANY (Rev7:9-17 / Isa49:10), referring to them (those coming to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture")...

There's also these passages:

--Rev6:9-11 / Matt24:9 (5th Seal martyrs);

--Rev20:4b (those martyrs beheaded during the SECOND HALF of the 7 yrs);

--Rev20:4a / Dan7:22 [27] (INCLUDING those "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children; COMPARE also Dan2:35c "[actively] FILLED the whole earth" WITH Matt24:37-42 / Lk17:26-37 and to that of Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL the earth" ["AS the days of Noah were SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the SON OF MAN be"<--His Second Coming to the earth designation]);

--Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 / Matt24:42-51 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom")... THEN "the meal [G347; Matt8:11 and parallel also]"<--these passages showing the "still-living" saints ENTERING the MK age (aka "the MEAL [G347]);

--8-10 "BLESSED" passages showing "still-living" saints ENTERING the MK age in their mortal bodies: Rev19:9 "BLESSED... having been INVITED" [distinct from v.7] parallel Matt22:9-14, the INVITED "GUESTS"; ... and Rev16:15-16 "BLESSED"; and Dan12:13 "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days"; and in the Matt & Lk passages I already named above "BLESSED", etc etc... ALL referring to those "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies...

--Matt25:31-34 and context the "SHEEP" of the nations are "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies (capable of reproducing / bearing children)... "the righteous"... parallel Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies...)

This Scripture clearly exposes the lie of pre-trib, however, for the LORD leaves not one of His Saints behind.
Those who will have come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture," very many of them will be "still-living" at the time of Christ's RETURN to the earth, and it is THEY who will ENTER the MK in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children

So now they need another lie to cover their many errors - which is another twisting of scripture = Matthew 25: 1-13
This passage is about how 5 of the 10 "virginS [PLURAL]" will go in "with [G3326 - accompanying (NOT G4862-UNITED-with!!)] Him to THE WEDDING FEAST / SUPPER" (the earthly MK age... its inauguration... commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19)






As you can see, there are TONS of passages referring to this (and many more I've not listed among these)...

Many of the above passages speaking of "STILL-LIVING" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their MORTAL / natural bodies CAPABLE of reproducing / bearing children (these are "saints" who will have come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture")... the "still-living" ones at the END of the Trib will be the ONLY ones with the capacity of reproducing / bearing children
(as well as those born to them... who will not be BORN automatically RIGHTEOUS... And "death" is not going to "PREVAIL" during the MK age... it will be MUCH MORE RARE, reserved ONLY for the rebellious)
 

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Lucy and i are on the same page - His word.
My response to her is in agreement with her understanding.
I thought you were responding to her post as if she were a pre-tribber, but now I see you were 'adding' to-my apologies!
 

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Another twist and lie they do = change the meaning "came out from" to mean they were never in it - they were "pre-trib out of".
Nope.

Those are indeed saints who will exist IN / DURING the trib years who are shown to be "coming out of THE GREAT tribulation" [i.e. coming out of the SECOND HALF of the 7 yrs--so they are DEFINITELY "IN" it at some point! lol];

As I said in my previous post, these are saints who will have come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture"... and the latter verses in this chpt are parallel Isaiah 49:10 (an earthly MK age passage... their destination location in their resurrected bodies if they've DIED in the Trib [who will be "like the angels" who don't marry or bear children]);
Compare the "FEED [G4165]" word in v.17 with other uses of this same Grk word in Rev
 
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That's just ONE ^ passage among MANY (Rev7:9-17 / Isa49:10), referring to them (those coming to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture")...

There's also these passages:

--Rev6:9-11 / Matt24:9 (5th Seal martyrs);

--Rev20:4b (those martyrs beheaded during the SECOND HALF of the 7 yrs);

--Rev20:4a / Dan7:22 [27] (INCLUDING those "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children; COMPARE also Dan2:35c "[actively] FILLED the whole earth" WITH Matt24:37-42 / Lk17:26-37 and to that of Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL the earth" ["AS the days of Noah were SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the SON OF MAN be"<--His Second Coming to the earth designation]);

--Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 / Matt24:42-51 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom")... THEN "the meal [G347; Matt8:11 and parallel also]"<--these passages showing the "still-living" saints ENTERING the MK age (aka "the MEAL [G347]);

--8-10 "BLESSED" passages showing "still-living" saints ENTERING the MK age in their mortal bodies: Rev19:9 "BLESSED... having been INVITED" [distinct from v.7] parallel Matt22:9-14, the INVITED "GUESTS"; ... and Rev16:15-16 "BLESSED"; and Dan12:13 "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days"; and in the Matt & Lk passages I already named above "BLESSED", etc etc... ALL referring to those "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies...

--Matt25:31-34 and context the "SHEEP" of the nations are "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies (capable of reproducing / bearing children)... "the righteous"... parallel Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: "still-living" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies...)



Those who will have come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture," very many of them will be "still-living" at the time of Christ's RETURN to the earth, and it is THEY who will ENTER the MK in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children



This passage is about how 5 of the 10 "virginS [PLURAL]" will go in "with [G3326 - accompanying (NOT G4862-UNITED-with!!)] Him to THE WEDDING FEAST / SUPPER" (the earthly MK age... its inauguration... commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19)






As you can see, there are TONS of passages referring to this (and many more I've not listed among these)...

Many of the above passages speaking of "STILL-LIVING" saints who will ENTER the MK age in their MORTAL / natural bodies CAPABLE of reproducing / bearing children (these are "saints" who will have come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture")... the "still-living" ones at the END of the Trib will be the ONLY ones with the capacity of reproducing / bearing children
(as well as those born to them... who will not be BORN automatically RIGHTEOUS... And "death" is not going to "PREVAIL" during the MK age... it will be MUCH MORE RARE, reserved ONLY for the rebellious)

Yet you cannot post one scripture of pre-trib - not one.

Twist and turn
watch you don't burn
His warning is clear
harm where there is no Fear
His words are TRUE
to add to them
is the way of the fool
you say it's OK
don't be like a willy-nilly
Christ will make you look silly

willy-nilly : Without thought, order, or reason; haphazardly. You can't just choose a college willy-nilly—you have to do some research.

Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

You never answered this question: How did the Apostle Paul say this:

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
 

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There is no such thing as a "tribulation saint". (no scripture) Saints are saints and all are members of the church body.
Disagree. You need to conduct a thorough study of the various DISTINCT groups included in the first resurrection.

1Co 15:23 - But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 

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Intellectuals, adults, scholars all have a hard time and often stumble at His Word.
In Revelation, what do you believe the phrase (in bold) "[...but that they should be tormented] FIVE MONTHS" represents (like, "figuratively," if you don't see it representing 5 literal months)??
...options to choose from...

--"5lb sack of potatoes"??

--"5 little piggies went to market"??

--"the 5 senses"??



Instead, why not take it exactly as it says, as being "FIVE MONTHS"... because in every place in Scripture where it uses a NUMBER along with the word "months," it always MEANS "THAT MANY MONTHS"






... Same goes for the word "years" when used along with a number... in Scripture it always MEANS "THAT MANY YEARS"

(i.e. "1000 YEARS" in this case, Rev20).
 

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Yet you cannot post one scripture of pre-trib - not one.
As long as you continue mis-defining "the Day of the Lord" (and instead, continue accepting the faulty "Amill-teachings" MADE UP definition of that phrase), then you will remain in the dark about the passage clearly presenting the SEQUENCE.

And as long as you continue missing the "purpose" of our Rapture, you will continue to flounder around with these silly arguments that are not even in alignment with what "pre-trib" actually states (thus your making "strawman arguments" about it)... but believe what you wish, DavidTree.
 
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In FACT it is you and CV5 that has conspired to change Scripture and meanings of Scripture.

CV5 has a Thread, which you are part of, making a false claim by saying the "falling away" is the departure of the Bride of Christ.

You had better heed the witness of the Apostle John who testified to the witness of the Apostle Paul.

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared.
This is how we know it is the last hour.

They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us.
But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.
1 John 2:18-19
 

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ou never answered this question: How did the Apostle Paul say this:
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
If I've not answered it in THIS thread, I have addressed it in OTHER threads...

--"synezōopoiēsen [G4806]," and "synēgeiren [G4891]," and "synekathisen [G4776]"... (us/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY)... that is, WHEN HE was;

--this pertains to LEGAL / POSITIONAL truths (He "made us alive together with" and "raised us up together with" and "seated us together with" Him WHEN HE DID... positionally / legally "IN HIM"... IN the HEAVENLY-PLACES... and in the future it will be "LITERALLY" / "PHYSICALLY" / "BODILY" (albeit with GLORIFIED / PERFECTED / TRANSLATED / 'CLOTHED-UPON' / CHANGED bodies. ;)

...and then with the ALREADY-AT THAT [future] TIME-AWARDED-crowns/stephanous... but no crowns UNTIL "IN THAT DAY," see ;) [Rev5:9 "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out of EVERY..." ;) ])
 

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and just as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming
In Matthew 5, a number of times, the phrase "YE HAVE HEARD" refers to what was already stated in the OT (Matt5:21,27,33,38,43)... and I AGREE that Scripture informs us (and had informed them) of that which 1Jn2:18 speaks to... The only one I've not heard telling us in this thread (and related threads) about "where Scripture" would have informed them of this, is YOU. ;)
Care to share?
 
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In Matthew 5, a number of times, the phrase "YE HAVE HEARD" refers to what was already stated in the OT (Matt5:21,27,33,38,43)... and I AGREE that Scripture informs us (and had informed them) of what 1Jn2:18 speaks to... The only one I've not heard telling us in this thread (and related threads) about "where Scripture" would have informed them of this, is YOU. ;)
Care to share?
Well you have forgotten my posts where i clearly posted where the Apostles heard it from.

Our Lord Jesus Christ reminds us of these things:

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples(His Bride) came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Apostle John bears witness to the Truth : "many antcichrists are now here"

JESUS says: So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand)

Apostle John bears witness: "the Antichrist is coming"

The prophet Daniel: This is what he said: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on the earth, different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour the whole earth, trample it down, and crush it. And the ten horns are ten kings who will rise from this kingdom. After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings. He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.

Revelation 7
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 13
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 14
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
 

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They have gone to such extreme error as to now say there are Two Different Gospels - one for the Jew and one for the Gentile.
Thanks So Much, I Very Much resemble that remark! GUILTY "as charged!"
And Praise God that I can suffer such wonderful persecution for studying HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!! Amen? Here ya go, Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels:

Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). Have you Prayerfully And Carefully Considered!:
Rightly Dividing God's WORD {All Scriptures Are KJB{?}} Of Truth?

"Example" of God’s leaders/numbers / Salvation/commissions in:

His TWO Different Programs:​

LORD JESUS, we pray that You Would Help our understanding, as we:

Begin:
(1) Representative apostles + number! For God’s LAW/PROPHETIC Program,
“prophesied since the world began!” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!):

God’s Complete Number TWELVE represents:

TWELVE baptismS, TWELVE apostles who will rule in the Prophesied kingdom
With CHRIST!, on TWELVE thrones, Over the TWELVE tribes of Israel!
(Genesis_49:28; Isaiah_9:7, 32:1; Matthew_19:28; Luke_22:30; James_1:1!)

►► Peter [+11], TWELVE preached:
gospel of the kingdom!:​

(A) Salvation = "he that believeth AND is baptized Shall Be SAVED!"
(Mark_16:16 cp Luke_7:29-30; Acts_2:38; James_2:17-18!) ◄◄

(B) And Includes The LORD’s FIVE-Part Marching Orders, the
so-called ( added as a Page Header in Bibles ) Great Commission:

(B1):
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in The Name
Of The Father, and Of The SON, and of The Holy Ghost: Teaching
them to Observe ALL Things Whatsoever I Have Commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen!”
(Matthew_28:19-20!)​

Including: “Observe ALL things WHATSOEVER I Have COMMANDED you!”:

“Then Spake JESUS To the multitude, And To HIS disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
ALL therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that OBSERVE
AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not!”
(Matthew_23:1-3!)​

(B2):
“And HE Said Unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature. He that believeth And is baptized shall
be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these
signs Shall Follow them that believe: In MY Name shall they cast out
devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents;

and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they
shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover…. And they went
forth, and preached every where, The LORD Working With them, and
Confirming The Word With signs following. Amen!” (Mark_16:15-20!)

(B3):
“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in
HIS Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are
witnesses of these things. And, behold, I Send The Promise of MY
Father Upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be
endued with power From On High!” (Luke_24:47-49!)

(B4):
“Then Said JESUS To them again, Peace Be Unto you: As MY Father
Hath Sent ME, Even So Send I you. And When HE Had Said This, HE
Breathed On them, And Saith Unto them, Receive ye The Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and
whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained!” (John_20:21-23!)

(B5):
“But ye shall receive power, after that The Holy Ghost Is Come Upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth!” (Acts_1:8!)

End of: Salvation / Commission In God's "Law/Prophetic Program!"

From CHRIST To HIS TWELVE, on the earth! { Currently “On HOLD!” }
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Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:
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From CHRIST To HIS one, From Heaven!! { Currently ACTIVE!}

to be continued...
 

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JESUS says: So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand)
Okay, and as I had mentioned, this reference by Jesus ("abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] spoken of by Daniel the prophet") can only be pointing back to the "singular/singular" reference in Daniel, and that is in chpt 12

(at 12:11 "abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] SET UP [H5414]") which also connects (in the FIRST HALF of the 7 yrs) the one who (per 2Th2:4a - IDENTIFYING him) "opposeth and EXALTETH HIMSELF ABOVE ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD, OR IS WORSHIPPED" ...

...who is being referenced in Dan11:36 (which is again referring to THE FIRST HALF of the Trib, though these passages are simply IDENTIFYING him: same with Dan11:45c IDENTIFYING him, not that v.45 [before the 12:1-4 MID-trib point] is saying that's when he experiences his "end"... but that he's WHO will experience his "end"... at the END of the days spoken of in that context 12:1,6-7, etc);
and these connect back with the "PLURAL abominaTIONS" in Dan9:26,27 (where in THIS text, it's not singling the ONE particular one out, by this PLURAL reference... like Jesus IS referencing the "AOD [singular/singular]" one [Dan12:11]... but they are indeed connected though [with the Dan9:26,27 PLURALS... as ONE OF THEM, see])
 

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Apostle John bears witness: "the Antichrist is coming"

The prophet Daniel: This is what he said: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on the earth, different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour the whole earth, trample it down, and crush it. And the ten horns are ten kings who will rise from this kingdom. After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings. He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.
As I am reading the different views just trying to see if I am tracking and understanding. So on this quoted part alone.

Would you say that seal one is the coming of the anit-christ?

So is seal 1 to seal 6, is that 3 and a half years?

Or is seal 5, three and a half years long cause that is when folks are killed?

Cause if I am understanding seal 6 is when the wrath comes?

Is that correct or I have it off what is being said?