How to know if you are sealed

Hizikyah · Dec 20, 2013

What Do We Mean by the Term "Torah?"The Hebrew word, torah (תורה), is derived from a root that was used in the realm of archery, yareh (ירה). Yareh means to shoot an arrow in order to hit a mark. The mark or target, of course, was the object at which the archer was aiming. Consequently, torah, one of the nouns derived from this root, is, therefore, the arrow aimed at the mark, The target is the truth about God and how one relates to Him. The torah is, therefore, in the strict sense instruction designed to teach us the truth about God. Torah means direction,teaching, instruction,or doctrine.We should note that the usual translation of this word as law is not quite accurate.[SUP][1][/SUP] One of the most common ways that torah (תורה) is rendered in the Septuagint (LXX)[SUP][2][/SUP] is by using the word nomosv, nomo?. The Greek word nomos, however, has a variety of uses, among which, to be sure, is law, but it is certainly not limited to law. Following the precedent set by the LXX, the Newer Covenant Scriptures consistently render the Hebrew torah by the term nomos. This is where things begin to become confusing. Sometimes, in the Newer Covenant Scriptures, it is appropriate to translate nomos as law. However, other times it is more appropriate to render it as God's teaching/instruction, or simply to transliterate the term as Torah. The context of the word is always the final determiner of its meaning.There are at least two other related Hebrew words derived from the same root as torah. The first is the word for teacher, moreh (מורה). A moreh is one who imparts instruction to his/her students. The second important word is parent, horeh (הורה). This indicates to us that one of the primary roles for a parent is to teach and instruct the child.

One that is sealed will love Yahweh's Instructions!

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

john832 · Dec 20, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

No, circumcision is of the heart. It has always been. God wanted ancient Israel to circumcise their heart but they could not...

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Adn He wants our hearts circucised today.

That disingenuous thing seeems to be the answer you have when you can't back up what you say. You know who I am and you know I say what I mean.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 20, 2013

john832 said:

Circumcision is only in the flesh. Circumcision of the heart is the language of typology to describe the corruption of the Adamic nature being removed from the heart by the birth of the spirit. They are two entirely different things. One is a type; the other is the reality pointed to by the type.

john832 · Dec 20, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Yes! Circumcision in it's reality is the change of our heart. The physical circumcision was the shadow or type, the change of our heart is the reality.

WomanLovesTX · Dec 20, 2013

Hizikyah said:

I would say most Christians recite Gal 2:19 (KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Gal 2:19 (CJB) For it was through letting the Torah speak for itself that I died to its traditional legalistic misinterpretation, so that I might live in direct relationship with God.

Does Jesus speak of traditional legalistic misinterpretations that we are to die to?

Many, many times He does. Why? Because of the traditions of men making the word of the Lord void.

Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

What should the Master (Yeshua/Jesus) find us doing when He returns? Keeping Torah.

Gal 3:10 For everyone who depends on legalistic observance of Torah commands lives under a curse, since it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the Scroll of the Torah."

NOTE; It does not say "cursed is everyone who is doing" but "cursed is everyone NOT DOING".

Hizikyah · Dec 20, 2013

WomanLovesTX said:

this is why people say, I wont even do any of it!

yet obviously that is a false view as ALL will be judged by this standard:

Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law”

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

and there is this:

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

WomanLovesTX · Dec 20, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Luk 23:56 Then they went back home to prepare spices and ointments. On Shabbat the women rested, in obedience to the commandment;

Wow! Jesus is dead and in the tomb. These women loved Him with all their heart, no? But keeping in obedience to the commandment was first priority.

zone · Dec 20, 2013

WomanLovesTX said:

Gal 3:10 For everyone who depends on legalistic observance of Torah commands lives under a curse, since it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the Scroll of the Torah."

that is an awesome interpretation: the Judaizing never ends.

and you think you keep it....everything written in the Book of the Law to do ALL OF IT.
if you did keep it; you would be denying Christ by sacrificing animals.

iamsoandso · Dec 20, 2013

so Enoch,and Noah and Abraham were they "sealed" by obeying the letter of the law?,,,that is one was given circumcision and the other two no.

Hizikyah · Dec 20, 2013

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

john832 · Dec 20, 2013

iamsoandso said:

Care to show me a scripture that says they obeyed IN THE LETTER OF THE LAW? You are adding to here.

LovePink · Dec 20, 2013

Rms 4:5 "that worketh not" but believe on Him

Topic, simple- have you believed the gospel of your salvation?

The message of Christianity is about rescue & redemption. Salvation of your soul is not a process of the flesh & spirit, when speaking of our identity. There is a difference between our standing and our state(practice). The book of Romans is foundational in teaching the way to get out of Adam and into Christ, this is identity. God is looking at who you are, that is who you are "in", Rms 5:1-2 kjv.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus

Trust, believe, faith... that is the process of a repentant heart. Eph 1:13-14.

1*O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

iamsoandso · Dec 20, 2013

john832 said:

john you always conclude i am against you,but if you look close it may support what you are saying(Galatians 3;8),,,

WomanLovesTX · Dec 20, 2013

zone said:

WomanLovesTX said:

Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deu 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Because God has seen to the actual removal of the physical temple, the dispersion of the Levite priests serving in that physical temple, God has made it clear that at this time, there are no physical animal or even grain offerings. I see no contradiction in following all of Torah that I can. No guilt. Not having curses poured out on me. I believe in the Ten Commandments are to be written on our hearts. I have a desire to understand and participate with others as possible the seven Fasts of Yahweh. I also obeserve what I choose to eat. You think that is Judaizing. Well guess what? It is ok with me if my brothers in the LORD find this things also acceptable to obey and observe.

I don't believe in observing added holy days or holidays. Ie. Sunday, Christmas and Easter. Also I have no urging to keep Purim or Hannakuh or any other Jewish fast days. I don't celebrate birthdays or observe astrology. I have spent much time learning all I can about God's calendar and how it applies to all scripture. I am renewed each day in God's grace and everlasting mercy toward me. The least I can do is choose to obey Him and listen and follow the path of righteousness, both in underserved salvation, and working out my salvation to Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Has God stopped judging his people?

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Karraster · Dec 20, 2013

Forgive me if I've missed something here and was already said. These people were facing persecution weren't they? Isn't that why they were talking about circumcision?

Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand. 12As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 13For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. 14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Wasn't Paul in effect telling them to walk boldly in Christ and not appearances to the unbelieving religious sect?
Paul glories not in men but in Jesus Christ who fulfilled the promise. This is where some get the notion that the 10 commandments is being thrown out, but this is not at all what is being said.

Do not fear being persecuted for your faith in Jesus Christ is the message here. That's my take.

john832 · Dec 20, 2013

iamsoandso said:

No, actually, I am just bringing out a point. You now have the lead in to tell us what you want about spirit and letter. My main purpose in posting here is to get people to read the scripture for what it really says and think about that. There are a lot more people reading these threads than ever post in them.

Apostol2013 · Dec 20, 2013

jesus our lord came to fullfill the law and the prophets through the holy spirit gift , by the spirit we are sealed unto the day of redemption but we must remain in the spirit living under the spirit and not the flesh because when we live under the spirit we are being lawfull under grace and infract no laws for by the Spirit we remain pure in jesus to the glory of the father in the transfiguration there apeared moses and elias and speaking to jesu then peter asked if to bulid a tabernacle for each of them and a voice spoke from a cloud saying this is my son whom i am well pleased listen to him signifying our obedience is to jesus alone that his wisdom gives life and that He is the new covenant not like the law of moses that is why it was sealed up among His disciples in isaiah 8 proclaiming immanuel and they were ordered not to go according to the ones obeying the law but with the testmony of our Lord jesus for he is the light , and those proffesing not the covenant of thte spirit in jesus and but the law were a sign that the light was not in them (that jesus is not in them ) and isaiah 8 goes to testify of paul in 1 corinth 12 :7 we are under grace and truth and not law and there is no name under heaven and earth that one shall be saved but in the name of jesus that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that he is LORD.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 20, 2013

WomanLovesTX said:

Honestly, we could get the bible to say anything we want by adding words that completely altar the text's meaning like the above two verses do.

iamsoandso · Dec 20, 2013

Karraster said:

yes,in Hebrews chapter 11 it is stated that "by faith" now he begins with Abel verse 4 and continues up through verse 23 naming certain people(but their were others verse32 he could have included),,but he also includes from Moses(verse 24) and onward(those who lived when and after the law/torah) who are also included in the speech.

so the seal of god, how is it that those who lived before the law(torah) were sealed? that is how if we narrow it down to only the law of Moses and there is a performance or duty to accomplish to be sealed with the name of god then those who lived before the law was written then are excluded from the receiving of the seal.

but then again which covenant is the older,is it the covenant made to Abraham or the covenant made to the nation of Israel?,,so we in the modern day refer to the old law referring to the law of Moses when it is newer than the promise made to Abraham "thy seed"(Galatians 3;16).

Jesus said in (john 7;22) that Moses gave the circumcision not because it was of Moses but of the fathers i.e. Abraham,Issac,Jacob. when discussing the same matter the apostles in (Acts 15;10) determined not to place the yoke on the disciples that they nor their fathers could bare.and then in the letter(acts 15;24) they wrote state,,"be circumcised,and keep the law :to whom we gave no such commandment" because some had went out from them saying they had to.

as it has already been pointed out in previous post (deut.5;29),"o that there was such an heart in them,",,also Paul speaks to in (Romans 2;28-29) that is both they who are considered a Jew and they who are circumcised are not outward,but rather inward the circumcision of the heart. but how can an 8 day old son have a "change of heart,or a woman who by nature cannot be circumcised in the flesh"?,so if is inward both might obtain it,both the male and the female when they seek to circumcise their heart.

zone · Dec 20, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

isn't that something?

Galatians 2:19-21
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
19 For it was through letting the Torah speak for itself that I died to its traditional legalistic misinterpretation, so that I might live in direct relationship with God. 20 When the Messiah was executed on the stake as a criminal, I was too; so that my proud ego no longer lives. But the Messiah lives in me, and the life I now live in my body I live by the same trusting faithfulness that the Son of God had, who loved me and gave himself up for me. 21 I do not reject God’s gracious gift; for if the way in which one attains righteousness is through legalism, then the Messiah’s death was pointless.

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