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We sin because we give in to the flesh..as you said earlier..we turn our eyes away from Jesus ( which we keep our eyes on Jesus by beholding Him in our inner man..in that mirror ..2 corth 3:18..as we see Him..the Spirit in us transforms us and that life is reflected in our outward behavior..renews our mind )
It is a choice....but when we yield to the flesh..we are yielding to the "sin" in the flesh which is not the real inner man which is why John say the new man in Christ..CANNOT sin.
It is a choice....but when we yield to the flesh..we are yielding to the "sin" in the flesh which is not the real inner man which is why John say the new man in Christ..CANNOT sin.
it's the parasite-sin in our flesh that deceives us....
Sometimes we don't know things which cause us to stumble..My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ( who we are in Christ now that we are a new creation )
Sometimes even when we do know things...we choose to do wrong anyway..Thank God for His grace. His life will eventually take us away from that foolish destructive behavior.
Sometimes we don't know things which cause us to stumble..My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ( who we are in Christ now that we are a new creation )
Sometimes even when we do know things...we choose to do wrong anyway..Thank God for His grace. His life will eventually take us away from that foolish destructive behavior.
It has been along time since I read it. That is my current understanding of all this sin in the flesh stuff and about the new man in Christ.
here is a great video where Prince talks about God condemning sin in our flesh as Paul talks about in Roman 8:3..it helped me to formula things in my mind..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0IL0T9f6uI
here is a great video where Prince talks about God condemning sin in our flesh as Paul talks about in Roman 8:3..it helped me to formula things in my mind..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0IL0T9f6uI
Grace, I've come back for a quick look but won't stay for long. My experience with the thread has been the same as yours with what James is saying. Lynn has encouraged me to read the posts and get to know what this grace you talk about involves but it's a bit disjointed, the whole thing. And how do I know that all that hypergrace is about is being presented here anyway? Then someone heads off down a rabbit warren taking others with him....
It's not you, it's the way it is. I'm bowing out gracefully.
I understand! It would be a lot easier to stick with one particular aspect and only talk about that one point. it helps so that one can piece stuff together and allow time to meditate on what was said.
here is a great site that answers a lot of the tough questions that you could read at your leisure. You could put in what you are looking for an answer on in the search area.
Escape to Reality
I take it the rabbit "warren' is a hole?...lol I'll go look it up.
..grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord!
here is a great site that answers a lot of the tough questions that you could read at your leisure. You could put in what you are looking for an answer on in the search area.
Escape to Reality
I take it the rabbit "warren' is a hole?...lol I'll go look it up.
..grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord!
I agree with you. But through faith in Christ, and the transforming power of the holy spirit what is the result? Rom7:14-25?
Spurgeon said if is Christs responsibility to change us, not our own. Obedience comes through faith I Christ and the greatest power in the universe-the holy spirit. If the responsibility was ours to change ourselves then we will not see much improvement will we.
But if we rely on Christ and the holy spirit, will we really not be able to do the good we want to do AT ALL, but only the evil/things we hate to do?
The problem is, some have a great theological understanding of grace/ Christ is our one and only righteousness before the father, but then the strive to change themselves/ rely on their own effort to crucify the flesh/ sanctify themselves. How can you get one part so right and the other part so wrong? ( I don't mean you)
Spurgeon said if is Christs responsibility to change us, not our own. Obedience comes through faith I Christ and the greatest power in the universe-the holy spirit. If the responsibility was ours to change ourselves then we will not see much improvement will we.
But if we rely on Christ and the holy spirit, will we really not be able to do the good we want to do AT ALL, but only the evil/things we hate to do?
The problem is, some have a great theological understanding of grace/ Christ is our one and only righteousness before the father, but then the strive to change themselves/ rely on their own effort to crucify the flesh/ sanctify themselves. How can you get one part so right and the other part so wrong? ( I don't mean you)
Yes, by its very definition your sinful nature is a nature that desires to break the law of God. However the man of rom7:14-25 gave into the sinful nature all the time, it mastered him full stop, he was its slave. That man could not follow after the holy spirit could he according to what he wrote.
So why would he ask us to do what he obviously couldn't do if your view is correct?
So why would he ask us to do what he obviously couldn't do if your view is correct?
good question.
gal5;4 which talks about "have crucified the flesh"
Have crucified the flesh” is in the aorist tense, suggesting an action that took place in the past. This does not refer to self-crucifixion or self-mortification, but rather to Christians identifying with Christ’s death. A parallel passage may be found in Romans 6:6 and 11, which state, “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord” (see note 6 at Romans 6:4 and note 7 at Romans 6:6).
Victory over the flesh with its passions and lusts has already been provided for us by Christ through His death. We simply have to appropriate this truth by faith instead of self-effort.
Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.
I will add to this by saying in Romans 6:6 the term "that the body of sin might be done away with/destroyed.." this word "to be done away with/destroyed ) in greek is " to make idle or useless"
So sin is still in the flesh in our body but is idle or useless to harm us or to be held by it..hence we are no more slaves to sin ( the parasite ) noun.
there is a big difference between the noun "sin" which is in the flesh ( like a parasite )..the sin principal is another term I have seen used...."sinning" are the sins you commit..it's a verb..an action..a "doing".
gal5;4 which talks about "have crucified the flesh"
Have crucified the flesh” is in the aorist tense, suggesting an action that took place in the past. This does not refer to self-crucifixion or self-mortification, but rather to Christians identifying with Christ’s death. A parallel passage may be found in Romans 6:6 and 11, which state, “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord” (see note 6 at Romans 6:4 and note 7 at Romans 6:6).
Victory over the flesh with its passions and lusts has already been provided for us by Christ through His death. We simply have to appropriate this truth by faith instead of self-effort.
Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.
I will add to this by saying in Romans 6:6 the term "that the body of sin might be done away with/destroyed.." this word "to be done away with/destroyed ) in greek is " to make idle or useless"
So sin is still in the flesh in our body but is idle or useless to harm us or to be held by it..hence we are no more slaves to sin ( the parasite ) noun.
there is a big difference between the noun "sin" which is in the flesh ( like a parasite )..the sin principal is another term I have seen used...."sinning" are the sins you commit..it's a verb..an action..a "doing".
Well I wont get into nouns and verbs lol.
It is simple
If we accept it I Christs responsibility to change us through the power of the holy spirit and not our own will we then be left powerless to do anything other than follow after the flesh rather than the spirit( rom7:14-25)
Please,. No long post. Just a simple answer to a simple question
It is simple
If we accept it I Christs responsibility to change us through the power of the holy spirit and not our own will we then be left powerless to do anything other than follow after the flesh rather than the spirit( rom7:14-25)
Please,. No long post. Just a simple answer to a simple question
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We have in our flesh which is in our body the parasite called sin...the body which houses flesh in it....also houses our new nature in Christ..the inner man..the new creation.
The real us only has ONE nature..it';s the nature of God in us because we are in Christ. The flesh in our body is not the real us.
think of it "sin" as a foreign "entity" within us in our body of flesh.
In genesis 4:7 gad says that sin is crouching at the door and "it's" ( the hebrew word here for "its" is masculine ).....as if it is an "entity"...not a person but something that speaks to us..if you will..most likey the nature of our enemy..just a theory...lol
The real us only has ONE nature..it';s the nature of God in us because we are in Christ. The flesh in our body is not the real us.
think of it "sin" as a foreign "entity" within us in our body of flesh.
In genesis 4:7 gad says that sin is crouching at the door and "it's" ( the hebrew word here for "its" is masculine ).....as if it is an "entity"...not a person but something that speaks to us..if you will..most likey the nature of our enemy..just a theory...lol
I call that part of Romans 7:14-25 "Paul discovers a parasite called sin in his flesh."...he goes on to talk about how he is feeling and the things he wants to do but then this "thing" within him wants to do something else..who is going to save him from this inward attack? Jesus! Here in rom 7:14-25 Paul is a Christian just discovering what is going on with this battle within him..