I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.

[JacobMartinMertens]

God was always the Father or He would have had to change. Since He cannot change, He has always been the Father.
So if it wasn't God, who did Abraham see?

Either Abraham saw God or he did not. God has not always been the Father of Jesus. Not until Jesus was born or conceived. However, God is the Father of all living. Jesus pre-existed but not as Jesus. We did not pre-exist.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

One moment you seem to understand the truth, and the next you clearly don’t.

so? did your understanding come instantly? Give Jacob a break, we are supposed to discuss and encourage lovingly between believers, so far Jacob was attacked by many he said many times he was not certain...

Peace be with us all.

 

[tourist]

For example, I am not Trinitarian. I don't know what else. That would probably come out in conversation. Some things I have uncertainty about.

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine that is both spiritually and biblically sound. That is a solid Christian doctrine to spiritually build upon. I would say that you are on shaky spiritual ground.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

not if the Holy Spirit planted the SEED from God into Mary's womb.

that SEED came from God.

that means what is born has to be God!

Do you have a text for it?

All I know is Jesus never said, "I am God". But He did say, "I am the Son of God." We are told that we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I am okay with that. I don't think that I need to believe more than that.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine that is both spiritually and biblically sound. That is a solid Christian doctrine to spiritually build upon. I would say that you are on shaky spiritual ground.

I would say that there were believers before the Trinity doctrine came around.

 

[tourist]

Do you have a text for it?

All I know is Jesus never said, "I am God". But He did say, "I am the Son of God." We are told that we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I am okay with that. I don't think that I need to believe more than that.

Jesus said that he and the Father are one.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Jesus said that he and the Father are one.

Jesus is not the Father, correct?

 

[tourist]

I believe that I am saved by God and Jesus through or by faith in God and Jesus. This means eternal life for me. Jesus is Lord.

How can Jesus be the Lord if he is not part of the Godhead?

 

[tourist]

Jesus is not the Father, correct?

There are three seperate unique entities, the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit comprising one God.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

How can Jesus be the Lord if he is not part of the Godhead?

God is Spirit. God the Father is either Spirit or something else. Jesus is not Spirit. Jesus is not the Father.

Remember John 17:5.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

 

[tourist]

I would say that there were believers before the Trinity doctrine came around.

Believers of what exactly?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Do you have a text for it?

All I know is Jesus never said, "I am God". But He did say, "I am the Son of God." We are told that we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I am okay with that. I don't think that I need to believe more than that.

an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

notice this specific portion: for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

that baby, inside Mary, is from God Himself, that baby, is God!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

There are three seperate unique entities, the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit comprising one God.

God is one and Jesus is the Son of God.

Remember Colossians 2:9 NASB.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Believers of what exactly?

In Jesus as the Christ. Christians. Like me.

 

[tourist]

In Jesus as the Christ. Christians. Like me.

Is this Christ God?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

notice this specific portion: for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

that baby inside Mary is from God Himself, that baby, is God!

If you have a son and give him your name or not, is he you?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Is this Christ God?

Maybe. But He never said that He is God so I don't know that He is God.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

If you have a son and give him your name or not, is he you?

his biologics are of me, just like Jesus biologics was from GOD!

you are not a name, you are your biologics!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

his biologics are of me, just like Jesus biologics was from GOD!

you are not a name, you are your biologics!

My point was not the name, but that you are a different person from your son if you have one.

 

[DJT_47]

I am not Church of Christ.

I am non-denominational.

I do not believe in a hierarchy.

I do believe that as Christians and believers, or Christian believers, we are not to forsake assembling together as some are in the habit of doing. I do not believe that this needs to be on the first day of the week. It can be any time and with anyone that is a believer. It is good to have a church body to fellowship with. I do not know that the Lord's supper is for me. My understanding is that it was Passover. And, for Israel, they have a new covenant now.

Elders are leaders of the local congregations. Deacons, who do the mundane stuff, are under elders. The minister or preacher is also under the leadership of the elders. That's the extent of "hierarchy".