I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Scripture.
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Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
What would rather have people do? Insult others? Or use the Word of God? At least with folks using the Word, they can be corrected on their wrong understanding upon it because one is taught by the Spirit. For it will be the Spirit that will convict somebody that they are wrong (if they are open to seeing it). Most times, people are not open to seeing what God wants to show to them. They prefer their own way; And not what the BIble says plainly.
What would rather have people do? Insult others? Or use the Word of God? At least with folks using the Word, they can be corrected on their wrong understanding upon it because one is taught by the Spirit. For it will be the Spirit that will convict somebody that they are wrong (if they are open to seeing it). Most times, people are not open to seeing what God wants to show to them. They prefer their own way; And not what the BIble says plainly.
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
The solution for somebody having been cured of demon possession is to accept Jesus Christ and to abide in Him (and His words) because then Christ will live in them (whereby there is no room for any dark spirit to reside there ever again).
1 Corinthians 10:21
"Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."
The solution for somebody having been cured of demon possession is to accept Jesus Christ and to abide in Him (and His words) because then Christ will live in them (whereby there is no room for any dark spirit to reside there ever again).
1 Corinthians 10:21
"Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
2 Thessaloinans 1:8
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9)
"This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto licentiousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But you have not so learned Christ; If so be that you have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That you put off concerning the former way of life the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Therefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another. Be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:17-27).
"Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
2 Thessaloinans 1:8
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9)
"This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto licentiousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But you have not so learned Christ; If so be that you have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That you put off concerning the former way of life the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Therefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another. Be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:17-27).
"Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
The key point of misunderstanding on most folks part here in thinking I am teaching Works Salvationism (When that is not what I am teaching) is that they fail to understand that I strongly believe that Christ does the good work in a believer (and it is not the believer that does the good work). For there is none good but God. Meaning, it only God's goodness that can flow thru me. I merely choose to abide in Christ and surrender to Him (Whereby He does the good work in me). Does that make sense? For Paul said he labored more than all his brethren, but it was not himself that did so but it was the grace of God that worked in Him. It's why the elders had cast down their crowns before Jesus.
The key point of misunderstanding on most folks part here in thinking I am teaching Works Salvationism (When that is not what I am teaching) is that they fail to understand that I strongly believe that Christ does the good work in a believer (and it is not the believer that does the good work). For there is none good but God. Meaning, it only God's goodness that can flow thru me. I merely choose to abide in Christ and surrender to Him (Whereby He does the good work in me). Does that make sense? For Paul said he labored more than all his brethren, but it was not himself that did so but it was the grace of God that worked in Him. It's why the elders had cast down their crowns before Jesus.
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
Here is what James 3:13-18 says in the King James (Which I believe speaks to the topic at hand),
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good life his works with meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, boast not, and lie not against the truth.This wisdom descends not from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by them that make peace." (James 3:13-18).
Here is what James 3:13-18 says in the King James (Which I believe speaks to the topic at hand),
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good life his works with meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, boast not, and lie not against the truth.This wisdom descends not from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by them that make peace." (James 3:13-18).
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
We are talking about just using the Word of God for a change for some posters (Who rarely if ever use the Word) when discussing the Bible instead of them just hurling insults. So far, I am happy that some are at least using Scripture so far. May the glory be unto Jesus Christ.
We are talking about just using the Word of God for a change for some posters (Who rarely if ever use the Word) when discussing the Bible instead of them just hurling insults. So far, I am happy that some are at least using Scripture so far. May the glory be unto Jesus Christ.
P
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
Are you sure about that?
In the little bit of your posting history that I'm familiar with, you seem to regularly lie in wait, like a ravening wolf, eagerly desiring to attack others. I'd recommend a mirror and the sooner the better.
Matthew 7:15
Check Mate.
Check Mate.
In the little bit of your posting history that I'm familiar with, you seem to regularly lie in wait, like a ravening wolf, eagerly desiring to attack others. I'd recommend a mirror and the sooner the better.
P
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
I'm not even going to read any more of this thread, but I do agree with the principle of being here to discuss the Word of God and civilly at that. A verse of scripture that kept coming to my mind yesterday as I was meditating upon all of the strife which takes place on this forum regularly is this one:
I John chapter 2 verse 11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
It's rather obvious to me that certain forum members here hate other certain forum members here. If that describes you, then you're not only a murderer in God's eyes who does not possess eternal life, but you're also walking in darkness, not even knowing where you're headed, and hardly a candidate to lead others.
Just grow up.
One of the first things that I learned as a child was that if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
Too many people around here seem to sit in the shadows while just looking for any opportunity to pounce upon what somebody else has said.
Get out of the shadows and into the light.
Unsubscribing.
I'm not even going to read any more of this thread, but I do agree with the principle of being here to discuss the Word of God and civilly at that. A verse of scripture that kept coming to my mind yesterday as I was meditating upon all of the strife which takes place on this forum regularly is this one:
I John chapter 2 verse 11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
It's rather obvious to me that certain forum members here hate other certain forum members here. If that describes you, then you're not only a murderer in God's eyes who does not possess eternal life, but you're also walking in darkness, not even knowing where you're headed, and hardly a candidate to lead others.
Just grow up.
One of the first things that I learned as a child was that if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
Too many people around here seem to sit in the shadows while just looking for any opportunity to pounce upon what somebody else has said.
Get out of the shadows and into the light.
Unsubscribing.
P
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
(a) That's a lie.
(b) Another lie.
(c) That I believe, altho you have no bible, only jason you want to teach.
(d) Not correct, you want to instruct in error. You're the one that is wrong.
Verse 2 and verse 7, in particular, describe you.
2 Timothy 3:2-7
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(a) That's a lie.
(b) Another lie.
(c) That I believe, altho you have no bible, only jason you want to teach.
(d) Not correct, you want to instruct in error. You're the one that is wrong.
Verse 2 and verse 7, in particular, describe you.
2 Timothy 3:2-7
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
Originally Posted by Reborn
1 John 1:8
The first Chapter of 1 John is a pretty good read:
1 John
1
1 .) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 .) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 .) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 .) And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 .) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 .) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 .) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 .) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But I really like this next verse.....
9 .) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 .) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Some folks don't think this is necessary.......... ???
The first Chapter of 1 John is a pretty good read:
1 John
1
1 .) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 .) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 .) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 .) And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 .) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 .) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 .) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 .) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But I really like this next verse.....
9 .) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 .) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Some folks don't think this is necessary.......... ???
R
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
Dear Mr Jason, since you wrote the OP, Ill address you.
I agree with a,b,c and D i have trouble with.
Let me explain.....if you are walking down the street, stop someone and give them fashion advice...yo dude that tie is awful, that would be insulting. Why? Cause they dont know you.
Unsought advice is seldom heeded, and I truely think that the way you come across is what those that are frustrated are talking about. Ones heart needs to be teachable, and open to the Word before you can pour it in. Even with all the wonderful heartfelt intention, you can't give truth unless it's willing to be heard.
Again, praying for those you are concerned about may soften hearts and be more profitable. Loving people where they are to get them where they need to be.
Have a great day,
Rose
Dear Mr Jason, since you wrote the OP, Ill address you.
I agree with a,b,c and D i have trouble with.
Let me explain.....if you are walking down the street, stop someone and give them fashion advice...yo dude that tie is awful, that would be insulting. Why? Cause they dont know you.
Unsought advice is seldom heeded, and I truely think that the way you come across is what those that are frustrated are talking about. Ones heart needs to be teachable, and open to the Word before you can pour it in. Even with all the wonderful heartfelt intention, you can't give truth unless it's willing to be heard.
Again, praying for those you are concerned about may soften hearts and be more profitable. Loving people where they are to get them where they need to be.
Have a great day,
Rose
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
Jason, I do not understand the vitriol expressed sometimes, because it is like making a caricature and then hating it.
It is obvious the apostles struggled with the issue of converts who left at varying levels of faith, some of whom came back while others did not. The OSAS posting from the baptist union also shows many who have problems with this catch all idea.
For me christians like many want nice defined solutions, to grey issues, of life experience that do not fit one or other category. What has always helped me is just to listen to why people take the position they do, and see if it has a fundamental flaw or not. The idea we are gods, with authority to heal and claim wealth obviously has many, which people have been too timid to explore and expose.
The issue of what is perfection, how does failure in redemption work, what is the primary way of life in our communion with the Lord has serious value, no matter where you stand. Like in any school before study begins a lot of fuss is made.
So I admire your sticking power, whether I agree with you or not, Jesus taught us to walk in sacrifice and suffering , to be worthy of Him. It is often hardest when your fellow christians are the ones who seem most antagonistic. The joke in someways is, maybe this is the point we need to learn as children, we are all in the same boat, with the same Lord.
I equally admire the catholic brothers who take a lot of stick for the RCC, which is often justified, but equally they have their corner.
Jason, I do not understand the vitriol expressed sometimes, because it is like making a caricature and then hating it.
It is obvious the apostles struggled with the issue of converts who left at varying levels of faith, some of whom came back while others did not. The OSAS posting from the baptist union also shows many who have problems with this catch all idea.
For me christians like many want nice defined solutions, to grey issues, of life experience that do not fit one or other category. What has always helped me is just to listen to why people take the position they do, and see if it has a fundamental flaw or not. The idea we are gods, with authority to heal and claim wealth obviously has many, which people have been too timid to explore and expose.
The issue of what is perfection, how does failure in redemption work, what is the primary way of life in our communion with the Lord has serious value, no matter where you stand. Like in any school before study begins a lot of fuss is made.
So I admire your sticking power, whether I agree with you or not, Jesus taught us to walk in sacrifice and suffering , to be worthy of Him. It is often hardest when your fellow christians are the ones who seem most antagonistic. The joke in someways is, maybe this is the point we need to learn as children, we are all in the same boat, with the same Lord.
I equally admire the catholic brothers who take a lot of stick for the RCC, which is often justified, but equally they have their corner.
Re: I am ignoring those who just insult & I am only repling to those who offer Script
Agree. I addressed this on the SPEAK YOUR MIND thread either yesterday or the day before. In order to TEACH anything, but ESPECIALLY the Word of God, THERE MUST be an AGREED UPON UNDERSTANDING between BOTH parties to the conversation that ONE is the TEACHER and the OTHER is the STUDENT. When this agreed upon status IS NOT agreed upon is when conflict arises.
Lacking this, it is not Teaching, it is a debate of ideological beliefs/understandings of Scripture. That can non be defined as TEACHING in my opinion.
Agree. I addressed this on the SPEAK YOUR MIND thread either yesterday or the day before. In order to TEACH anything, but ESPECIALLY the Word of God, THERE MUST be an AGREED UPON UNDERSTANDING between BOTH parties to the conversation that ONE is the TEACHER and the OTHER is the STUDENT. When this agreed upon status IS NOT agreed upon is when conflict arises.
Lacking this, it is not Teaching, it is a debate of ideological beliefs/understandings of Scripture. That can non be defined as TEACHING in my opinion.
