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Oh no Jesus spoke to the dead -- He spoke face to face with moses and elijah --
witch craft I say !!! divining the dead -- He must have come from satan --oh wait didn't Jesus point out a house divided or something like that -- I suppose you have to take the word of a winebibbler and gluttonous man.
OH man what does the Lord require, but you seek JUSTICE love MERCY and walk HUMBLY with your God.
guess where I learned that scripture. yep ha ha
you are killing me here ha ha *_*
witch craft I say !!! divining the dead -- He must have come from satan --oh wait didn't Jesus point out a house divided or something like that -- I suppose you have to take the word of a winebibbler and gluttonous man.
OH man what does the Lord require, but you seek JUSTICE love MERCY and walk HUMBLY with your God.
guess where I learned that scripture. yep ha ha
you are killing me here ha ha *_*
This is talking about the establishing of a New Covenant, a New Testament church. The Jews were unable to receive Jesus' corrections required so they were about to be made null and void. God hasn't turned His back on Israel (Romans 11 says their rejection not total or final). They are still His chosen people, they've just been temporarily hardened until fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
Not all Christians are part of the new Testament church, because not all are born again.
**By grace through faith (not by works) for salvation**
Not all Christians are part of the new Testament church, because not all are born again.
**By grace through faith (not by works) for salvation**
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OK everyone, 16 year old Tom has declared that he's right, and the discussion is now over because he has spoken. Lets all now bow in obedience and reverence and thank him for being right and setting us straight and declaring the end of the discussion.
Takes a huge prideful ego to assume just because you've spoken, there are no other options and everyone needs to stop discussing it because you're right.
I don't think I am right. I am expressing my opinion on the subject. And when I said "end of discussion" I meant that it was my end to the discussion. I can see where you are coming from though. It might make you think that I am proud. But I'm not proud. I don't have a prideful ego.
Ugly, look at the post from different perspectives first before you claim that someone has a 'huge prideful ego' straight away.
Ugly, look at the post from different perspectives first before you claim that someone has a 'huge prideful ego' straight away.
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Actually, it was earlier than Luther.
From: The Orthodox Study Bible, New Testament and Psalms, Nelson 1292
1054 AD: A cardinal, sent by the Pope, slapped a document on the altar of the Church of Holy Wisdom in Constantinople during the Sunday worship, excommunicating the Patriarch of Constantinople from the Church.
This was the start of the Orthodox Church.
Quite a bit of a mess was underway well before this. Many things were being taught which were not true. Paul speaks of it in his letters.
The first Ecumenical Council met in 325 AD in Nicea to address many serious concerns with the church.
From: The Orthodox Study Bible, New Testament and Psalms, Nelson 1292
1054 AD: A cardinal, sent by the Pope, slapped a document on the altar of the Church of Holy Wisdom in Constantinople during the Sunday worship, excommunicating the Patriarch of Constantinople from the Church.
This was the start of the Orthodox Church.
Quite a bit of a mess was underway well before this. Many things were being taught which were not true. Paul speaks of it in his letters.
The first Ecumenical Council met in 325 AD in Nicea to address many serious concerns with the church.
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Luther wasn't even the first to pose these kind of questions to the church after the Orthodox split either. Jan Hus, a Czech Priest, started a proto-Reformation in Bohemia in the late 14th-early 15th century (the Reformation was in 1517). It lead to series of wars and Hus's eventually execution for heresy. Luther was saved for several reasons, namely because he had protection from an elector of the Holy Roman Empire
Even then, Luther liked the Catholic church, at least at the start. he just saw some theological issues with it and wanted to try and fix them, but when he found the Pope himself at the time was corrupt, he advocated a split. The rest is history
Even then, Luther liked the Catholic church, at least at the start. he just saw some theological issues with it and wanted to try and fix them, but when he found the Pope himself at the time was corrupt, he advocated a split. The rest is history
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I think on the last day Catholics and Protestants alike will be in God's Kingdom. Yes, we see the bible differently, but we are all Christians. Catholics rely on tradition more so than Protestants. But don't forget there are over 30,000 different Protestant groups that claim they are the way to Christ.
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If Catholicism is not Christianity, there was a very long time from Pentecost to the Reformation where Christianity did not exist. Do we make Jesus a liar? He said the Spirit of truth would guide the apostles "into all truth." Either the Spirit guided the Church into all truth, or He left the world in darkness for 1500 years.
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The point about Catholics being christian - they do not have a salvation prayer. They say form pre - written prayers to God and Jesus as well as a couple hundred other, the saints, or those they consider to be saints. The only hint actually saying that they give up their old ways of life and ask the Lord to come in is at their baptism, which is said in Latin, by the priest, and repeated by the parents in behalf of the child when the child is 2 weeks old.
That is not to say that ALL Catholics are not Christian. There are quite a few who have actually thought about the words of prayers that others have written, gotten on their knees, and made a commitment to follow Him so are Christian, yet there are many more who believe that since they repeat something, memorize it, and are able to say it at will makes them Godly. Parrots can do that.
See my post earlier in this section about Constantine trying to unite the Roman empire.
I do know what I am talking about, as I was raised Catholic, went to both Catholic grade school and Catholic high school, but I did not become a Christian until after I had graduated Catholic high school. It was about a year later, as a matter of fact. I no longer claim to be Catholic, although my name is still on their books. The only way to REALLY leave is to have the old poop, I mean pope, ex-communicate me, and I haven't yet felt the need to go to Rome and ask him to.
That is not to say that ALL Catholics are not Christian. There are quite a few who have actually thought about the words of prayers that others have written, gotten on their knees, and made a commitment to follow Him so are Christian, yet there are many more who believe that since they repeat something, memorize it, and are able to say it at will makes them Godly. Parrots can do that.
See my post earlier in this section about Constantine trying to unite the Roman empire.
I do know what I am talking about, as I was raised Catholic, went to both Catholic grade school and Catholic high school, but I did not become a Christian until after I had graduated Catholic high school. It was about a year later, as a matter of fact. I no longer claim to be Catholic, although my name is still on their books. The only way to REALLY leave is to have the old poop, I mean pope, ex-communicate me, and I haven't yet felt the need to go to Rome and ask him to.
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To Metanoia and any other new members who happen to be Catholic. I meant no offense to you or your beliefs. I was very dissatisfied with what I found, and since I have decided to follow our Lord I have found quite a lot of those beliefs to be false. The basis of the Catholic church was indeed born again Christians, but through Constantine and man relying on his own understanding, it has degenerated through the years to the point that it is hardly recognizable from original Christianity. My blessings on you if you really have made a commitment to follow the Lord and are truly seeking the Truth. I'm sure you will find it, and welcome to the forum. Mike