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it depends do you talk about the theology/doctrines taught or the people who attend "Catholic" and "Christian" churches?
I find its same mixture of thorns and wheat in all denominations, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant. some people have faith in Christ and live their lives according to the Bible and the leading of the Holy Spirit to overcome the world and their flesh. some rely upon the doctrines of men and find reasons to justify their pet sins and indulge in their lust or pride instead of repent and learn to resist the devil and watch him flee. the parable of the goats and sheep would be a good one to read again...
I find its same mixture of thorns and wheat in all denominations, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant. some people have faith in Christ and live their lives according to the Bible and the leading of the Holy Spirit to overcome the world and their flesh. some rely upon the doctrines of men and find reasons to justify their pet sins and indulge in their lust or pride instead of repent and learn to resist the devil and watch him flee. the parable of the goats and sheep would be a good one to read again...
Ariel, the parabke of the goats and sheep is more of a warning against pride than a division of people. Nobody is a real sheep. Nobody is blameless. And the knowing are more harshly judged than the unknowing. I may follow. But i accept my place as a goat. I just hope that i can make a difference to someones world when rhe opportunity for charity presents itself. I am unworthy. And i would sacrifice my own eternal gift for someone else.
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good news: JESUS sacrificed His LIFE and died on the cross for your eternal gift. HE gives to all freely who believes in Him.
its not a limit ticket order where you have to allow others in your place, because JESUS did that job already....though the attitude is very bodhisattva like....
The Bible does warn against pride but not in those verses. it clearly speaks of Jesus dividing people: those who showed love expecting nothing in return and those who choose selfishness and only did things to gain something for themselves be it pride, honor, power, etc.
no one but Jesus is sinless but the BIBLE calls many people blameless you should learn the difference...
example:
why do you accept your place as a goat? is it because you don't truly understand what that parable means since you dismiss what it obviously says in place of what you want it to say... do you truly understand what happens to the goats that you would be ok labeling yourself one?
pretending not to know is not the same thing as not having heard the truth....
its not a limit ticket order where you have to allow others in your place, because JESUS did that job already....though the attitude is very bodhisattva like....
The Bible does warn against pride but not in those verses. it clearly speaks of Jesus dividing people: those who showed love expecting nothing in return and those who choose selfishness and only did things to gain something for themselves be it pride, honor, power, etc.
no one but Jesus is sinless but the BIBLE calls many people blameless you should learn the difference...
example:
why do you accept your place as a goat? is it because you don't truly understand what that parable means since you dismiss what it obviously says in place of what you want it to say... do you truly understand what happens to the goats that you would be ok labeling yourself one?
pretending not to know is not the same thing as not having heard the truth....
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Those born again are seen as righteous before God, because they've been covered by the blood of Jesus. They are sheep. Their sins have been forgiven and they are no longer condemned. Those of us saved are referred to as sheep that used to be goats.
The sheep (the saved) have been forgiven completely so there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. The sheep will receive rewards, they will not face the White throne judgment. The white throne is for the goats, those who die not having been born again. Harsh judgment will be on those who heard the Gospel truth while they were alive, but they chose to ignore it and go their own way..these are the ones that are not saved.
No, it's a glimpse into the future judgment.
This world consists of two groups... the sheep and the goats.
The sheep represent God's children (those who have accepted Christ, have been born again and as a result are seen as righteous before God through Jesus).
The goats are those that were never saved.
The sheep will be placed to the right and the goats to the left.
The sheep are going to Heaven but the goats to the other place.
Why don't you want to be a sheep?
It doesn't work like that.
Jesus Christ died to save us from eternal punishment and eternal separation from Him. Only through Jesus can a person be saved.
The sheep (the saved) have been forgiven completely so there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. The sheep will receive rewards, they will not face the White throne judgment. The white throne is for the goats, those who die not having been born again. Harsh judgment will be on those who heard the Gospel truth while they were alive, but they chose to ignore it and go their own way..these are the ones that are not saved.
No, it's a glimpse into the future judgment.
This world consists of two groups... the sheep and the goats.
The sheep represent God's children (those who have accepted Christ, have been born again and as a result are seen as righteous before God through Jesus).
The goats are those that were never saved.
The sheep will be placed to the right and the goats to the left.
The sheep are going to Heaven but the goats to the other place.
Why don't you want to be a sheep?
It doesn't work like that.
Jesus Christ died to save us from eternal punishment and eternal separation from Him. Only through Jesus can a person be saved.
Through Y'Shua means following Him. And He didn't have to go so far, as this:
...because the Father did not require that much. But He would have gone that far if necessary.
Because Moses was ready to:
"Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin-; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written."
To which YHWH replied: not necessary, that He would deal with them the way they deal with Him.
This is the Set Apart Spirit of which you have heard. Which Moses, Y'Shua, and many others have.
It is exactly how it works.
Ezekiel 2
...because the Father did not require that much. But He would have gone that far if necessary.
Because Moses was ready to:
"Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin-; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written."
To which YHWH replied: not necessary, that He would deal with them the way they deal with Him.
This is the Set Apart Spirit of which you have heard. Which Moses, Y'Shua, and many others have.
It is exactly how it works.
Ezekiel 2
There were many followers that put God first in their lives, yes.
Please don't confuse this situation based on one small quote made. Mediate believes in putting your neighbor first before God, as noted in several of his forum postings. His statement that he would be willing to give up a gift of salvation for another person is thoughtful but based on his focus of loving his neighbor first.
Our love for others is the result (a fruit) of our salvation. If you try to 'love' your neighbor first then it's a "work," or a "good deed" of self and not of God.
Only with the Holy Spirit dwelling in us (God first) can we then love our neighbor. God first and then neighbor 2nd as a result of our salvation.
Sorry if this post is taken the wrong way, I just worry about things being misunderstood.
Please don't confuse this situation based on one small quote made. Mediate believes in putting your neighbor first before God, as noted in several of his forum postings. His statement that he would be willing to give up a gift of salvation for another person is thoughtful but based on his focus of loving his neighbor first.
Our love for others is the result (a fruit) of our salvation. If you try to 'love' your neighbor first then it's a "work," or a "good deed" of self and not of God.
Only with the Holy Spirit dwelling in us (God first) can we then love our neighbor. God first and then neighbor 2nd as a result of our salvation.
Sorry if this post is taken the wrong way, I just worry about things being misunderstood.
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What about a young lady who has never been taught the difference, or might not even have been told that there WAS a difference?
Anyway, originally Christians were true Christians, and were being persecuted and either thrown to lions or burned at the stake, not to mention a few other choice deaths, because they would not renounce their faith. Constantine, when he became emperor, realized that this could not continue. The Christians had customs which were totally foreign to the Romans. In a stupid attempt to unify the Roman empire, Constantine kept the old Roman holidays and religious positions and most of the beliefs, but gave them new, Christian or Christian sounding names. Constantine's new brand of Christianity was readily accepted, even though it was false. To most, anything having to do with Jesus was a heck of a lot better than death! True believers went underground, in some cases literally, in the catacombs. Hence was born the "ROMAN" Catholic (meaning universal, or all-inclusive in LATIN - the Roman language) Church.
Anyway, originally Christians were true Christians, and were being persecuted and either thrown to lions or burned at the stake, not to mention a few other choice deaths, because they would not renounce their faith. Constantine, when he became emperor, realized that this could not continue. The Christians had customs which were totally foreign to the Romans. In a stupid attempt to unify the Roman empire, Constantine kept the old Roman holidays and religious positions and most of the beliefs, but gave them new, Christian or Christian sounding names. Constantine's new brand of Christianity was readily accepted, even though it was false. To most, anything having to do with Jesus was a heck of a lot better than death! True believers went underground, in some cases literally, in the catacombs. Hence was born the "ROMAN" Catholic (meaning universal, or all-inclusive in LATIN - the Roman language) Church.
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At the nearest time possible, she should learn to deal with her own sins before pontificating about pontiffs. The ability to express an opinion that others find popular does not mean it's good for her soul. It's a tactic as old as time - yes, I'm struggling with black magic and sexual sin, but at least I'm not one of those guys. It shouldn't be encouraged.
From what I have seen, mediate believes in exalting the Father above all by putting neighbor before self.
Not neighbor before God.
Y'Shua certainly puts others before Himself.
We struggle with the incomprehensible concept of "trinity", yet regardless of the perception, the end result is that Y'Shua, thus YHWH, loves us more than Himself, and that the Set Apart Spirit is the love of others, more than self. All 3 share the same name: "Salvation" at cost of self.
YHWH doesn't want us to bow before Him because He's "the LORD".
Baal, "the lord" wants that. KJV mistranslations for the non-win.
YHWH wants us to bow before His manifestation of selflessness, by becoming the same.
Weighing others against YHWH is an equally unresolvable concept because:
Loving others is the measuring stick that YHWH uses to measure our love for Him.
The quoted Matthew sheep and goat parable goes on to say
"as ye have done it unto one of the least of my brothers, ye have done it unto me"
Bind and loose on earth, bound and loosed in heaven.
Simultaneous, not cause and effect. In both concept and original grammar.
One and the same.
Semantics for the purpose of deeper thought.
Catholicism, protestantism, etc.?
There are only 2 real denominations: Self, and death to self.
Peace.
Not neighbor before God.
Y'Shua certainly puts others before Himself.
We struggle with the incomprehensible concept of "trinity", yet regardless of the perception, the end result is that Y'Shua, thus YHWH, loves us more than Himself, and that the Set Apart Spirit is the love of others, more than self. All 3 share the same name: "Salvation" at cost of self.
YHWH doesn't want us to bow before Him because He's "the LORD".
Baal, "the lord" wants that. KJV mistranslations for the non-win.
YHWH wants us to bow before His manifestation of selflessness, by becoming the same.
Weighing others against YHWH is an equally unresolvable concept because:
Loving others is the measuring stick that YHWH uses to measure our love for Him.
The quoted Matthew sheep and goat parable goes on to say
"as ye have done it unto one of the least of my brothers, ye have done it unto me"
Bind and loose on earth, bound and loosed in heaven.
Simultaneous, not cause and effect. In both concept and original grammar.
One and the same.
Semantics for the purpose of deeper thought.
Catholicism, protestantism, etc.?
There are only 2 real denominations: Self, and death to self.
Peace.
There is no difference between Catholicism and Christianity. Want to know why? Because Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity. Catholicism is not a separate religion. Catholics have different beliefs than Protestants and East Orthodox. Catholics believe that Mary was crowned 'Queen of Heaven' by Jesus. They believe that Mary was sinless like Jesus. Protestants oppose these beliefs. But Catholics are Christians. Whether you like it or not.
I have posted in a few topics in this forum regarding Catholicism. I have friends who are Catholic. I received a book with information about the Catholic Saints from one of them. I find it quite interesting. I even went to a Roman Catholic primary (elementary) school. If anyone is wondering which of the three denominations I follow, I follow Protestantism. I am not a Catholic or Eastern Christian (East Orthodox).
Catholics are Christians. End of discussion.
With love. GBU
I have posted in a few topics in this forum regarding Catholicism. I have friends who are Catholic. I received a book with information about the Catholic Saints from one of them. I find it quite interesting. I even went to a Roman Catholic primary (elementary) school. If anyone is wondering which of the three denominations I follow, I follow Protestantism. I am not a Catholic or Eastern Christian (East Orthodox).
Catholics are Christians. End of discussion.
With love. GBU
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just a point I would like to make about catholics -- we are born again -- all christians are
after all
matthew 9:16-17
No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
mark 2: 21-22
no man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
and no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
after all
matthew 9:16-17
No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
mark 2: 21-22
no man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
and no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
J
Roman Catholics would have been stoned to death under the Mosaic Covenant.
Deut. 18
9 When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. 13 You must be blameless before the Lord your God.
Deut. 18
9 When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. 13 You must be blameless before the Lord your God.