@MichaelLone @PC123
What you are saying is that you are not satisfied with the answers you have heard? I will assume that you already have heard what has been said in this thread and what is clearly written right?
There are other things not so clearly written. Read Psalms 2. Or consider Revelation 10:7
If you are looking for this answer in the same way that people want to know what life is after death, I don't think you will get an answer. Imagine all the people that have heard all this and yet still didn't understand and yet "really really" wanted to know the truth?
You have to engage faith when asking these questions. I would encourage you to factor that in when seeking as it is central. Not saying you don't in your personal life, it's just that "without faith it is impossible to please Him." That's a scripture I could post if you'd like...it's in Hebrews 11 roundabouts.
I'll put forward two terms that came to mind when typing this. I rewrote it about 10 hours later...I've been down these thought trails and didn't get anywhere productive.
I was thinking about what "saving grace" means vs "grace" scripturally speaking
and then what "Good faith" means vs "in faith"
I realize the terms are simple but the first two are used in human contexts and the second in both the divine and human. It has been something "to do" to quell doubts with walking through my own logic and contrasting the fallen nature with the seed incorruptible. Perhaps that would be of utility to either of you in such a period.
Oh, consider the judge concept. Can anyone here imagine ruling on a supreme court decision or being a supreme justice? Even take county judges for example...there is so much to learn about judgement even in the human context to presume too lofty a view on your own judgement. Debt cancellations happen. Substitutionary atonement isn't unheard of financially speaking and even in capital punishment (though you would have to do a lot of research). There's a lot to discuss if you can concentrate the topic a bit that I'm willing to.
I'm not saying either of you are doing this but other people read the forums too
Also consider of what mind you are seeking the answer for. The spiritual blueprint is in scripture. The carnal blueprint is hardly spoken to...probably as it is a passing shadow. Suspending judgement on the carnal questions (one's that I know are not in faith) is what I do. Sometimes it is rather irritating but kind of like a bad mosquito problem or an incessant fly that I "have" to just go elsewhere.