I just ate pepperoni, now what?

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Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons,the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by the promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory:for these are two covenants; the one from Mt Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is Mt Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Here are some of
"the laws of" which the LORD commanded Moses in mount Sinai

Lev 7:37 This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings;

Lev 7:38 Which the LORD commanded Moses in mount Sinai, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their oblations unto the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

Lev 13:59 This is the law of the plague of leprosy in a garment of woollen or linen, either in the warp, or woof, or any thing of skins, to pronounce it clean, or to pronounce it unclean.

Lev 14:32 This is the law of him in whom is the plague of leprosy, whose hand is not able to get that which pertaineth to his cleansing.

Lev 15:32 This is the law of him that hath an issue, and of him whose seed goeth from him, and is defiled therewith;

Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments:
which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.


Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law,
That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Gal 3:12 And the law
is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

But God gave it to Abraham by promise
before the law was added

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be
of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Since to Abraham and to his seed (as of one, not many) the promises were made (which is Christ) Gal 3:16

Heb 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was therethat another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, (Psalm 110:4) and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec (Psalm 110:4)

The law of all the beasts (as with the others there) shown in Leviticus (which proceded the Jewish nation) which was in Christs day was under Moses and what he recieved from Mt Sinai which is represented by Agar (which preceeded that time) shown in Abrahams bondmaid which also answers to Jerusalem (which then was) in Paul's own day. So the law preceeding the Jewish nation (as one might say) wouldnt nullify what represented before that even according to Paul's own allegory in respests to desiring to be under the law.

Which again, as he speaks to these same

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons,the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by the promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are two covenants; theone from Mt Sinai, which gendereth to bondage,which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is Mt Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.



 
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JaumeJ

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Is this thread designed to taunt? Anyone who has studied the Word knows Jesus made all foods clean at least on two occasions in His teaching of the Gospel.

Paul, I believe, goes on to say all foods are clean providing they are received with thanksgiving.

I ask about the taunt because also according to Paul if someone wishes to keep to a clean diet, there is no harm no foul proviging it is done with a clean conscience in the sight of God, so what is the true intent of the post.

I pray it is for the sake of honest clarification and not a ruse to cause strife.
 
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Bro. Jaumej, There is not one place in the entire bible that allows for the eating of the unclean (abomination)
Kindly tell me where you think and believe that the NT gives permission or allows for the eating of the unclean
and i will offer you the meaning of those texts. You say you have two, lets start with those.
 

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Jesus Christ teaches nothing by entering the body will defile the body, but that which is harbored in the heart certainly is able to. If we harobr hatred, deceit, coveting, adultery, murder and the like, we are defintely corruptd.
When Peter had the vision of the unclean things coming down on a sheet, and he was told to eat............this too is considered to be teaching athat all foods are clean.
Paul tells us to eat anything that is set before us, for all things are clean as long as they are received with thanksgiving.

I know that anything that is blessed with thanksgiving has been made holy.

It is certain there are other teachings on the subject, but for now this should be sufficient. Remeber when we bless our food, it becomes holy, therefore call nothing unholy that has been made holy by our Father.


Bro. Jaumej, There is not one place in the entire bible that allows for the eating of the unclean (abomination)
Kindly tell me where you think and believe that the NT gives permission or allows for the eating of the unclean
and i will offer you the meaning of those texts. You say you have two, lets start with those.
 

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When I first joined the forum I saw a discussion about people enjoying their bacon and chicken and shellfish.



Didn't think much if it but have come across clean and unclean food.

I ate some pepperoni yesterday and felt bad now knowing or having read this and feel very bad now having just eaten another piece.

Where do Christians stand with eating clean and unclean food.

Is eating unclean food now acceptable from NT writings??

Would really miss the clams and bacon and much of the food I saw on the unclean list.

Thank you
Only if you are muslim...
 
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Bro. Jaumej, You are calling up 3 texts Mathew 15/ Mark7 and Acts 10 and 1 Tim 4

Lets start with Matt 15. Consider the issue that is being raised, the pharisees have accused Jesus of
not following the tradition of elders because they have not washed their hands.

Jesus immediately challenges them with transgressing the Commandments of God, charging them
with making an escape from the Law of God by their tradition of 'corban'.

He further calls them hypocrites for making the 'Commandment of God' of none effect, He calls into
question their tainted worship of God because they teach 'commandments of men' as the correct way.

He further declares these commandments of men which His Father has not planted will be rooted up.

He then declares, "not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man, but that which comes out of the mouth"

We note that Peter did not understand the parable and by Acts 10 he still didn't understand it the way you do.

Jesus explained that what goes in the mouth goes into the belly and is cast out in the latrine.

Note that the pharisee's strained at a gnat but would swallow a camel. Their concern was that if a man ate with unwashed hands he might ingest some impurity (lets say a leg from a fly that had been swatted) Jesus says that a man cannot be defiled in this way. Hence Jesus conclusion in vs 20 to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

Jesus said that a man is defiled by the things that come out of the mouth because they are the fruit of the thoughts of the heart. Look at it this way, the pharisees were upset about the custom of ceremonial washing while at the same time they
had murder in their hearts. The ceremonial uncleanness was only an imagined defilement but at the same time they wanted to kill Jesus, that was a true defilement.

Lets consider your position that Jesus cleansed all meats. He then would be introducing His own new teaching that is in contradiction
to the law of God as noted in Leviticus. He had just accused the pharisees of hypocrisy for substituting their own man made teaching for the commandment of God. If Jesus did clean all meats then He would also be a hypocrite for introducing His own new teaching thereby setting aside the law of God. The Pharisees would have immediately made that charge. They didn't, because Jesus never contradicted His own teaching. Once again, Jesus conclusion of the matter was, to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man. The topic of food was not even under discussion so how can you make your incredible stretch?

Peter's vision, Peter was hungry, God sent him a vision, Peter saw a sheet let down by the four corners, in it was every manner of four footed beasts, creeping things and fowls of the air. Note: the sheet contained clean and unclean animals.
The second time it was let down by the four corners, Peter knew what was in it, the animals were all jumbled together.

The voice said, 'rise, kill and eat'. Peter said, not so, i have never eaten anything common or unclean. The unclean we can understand Peter's reluctance. What about the common? Why could not Peter just select a chicken or a lamb or ox if he was really hungry?

He couldn't, because in his Jewish mind, the clean animals had become common or in the Greek 'Koinos.'
The meaning of 'Koinos' means something that is good and proper has become defiled by it's association with the unclean.
In the presentation, Peter knew that all the animals had been in close proximity to each other, all jumbled together, for him
everything was now unfit to eat. This was Jewish ceremonial thinking.

Notice what the voice said," What God has cleansed call not thou common." Regarding the unclean the voice is silent.

Peter failed to understand the vision when it was given, vs 17, 19. He finally figured out the meaning when he came to Cornelius house. He say's, You know how it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company with a gentile,(because we would consider ourselves defiled if we did) But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
God used this vision on Peter so that Peter would now preach the gospel to the gentiles, it was time.
The meaning of the vision actually had nothing to do with food. It is only your stretched imagination that leads astray.

Regarding 1 Tim 4 this one is easy. The meats that God has made to be received with thanksgiving are those which believers of the truth would know because they are listed in the word of God. Vs 5 says that the word of God sanctifies them. Does the word of God sanctify the unclean as creatures that are to be received with thanksgiving? No!

Be certain and be sure, God is not mocked. He will accomplish all that He has purposed. When He declares that He will destroy with fire those that are eating swine and the mouse and every other abomination, He means it because He said it.

If you have been eating the unclean, do not worry, the blood of Jesus can cleanse you from all defilement but that is only possible if you confess your sin. Jesus will save you, not in your sin but from it. Blessings.
 

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I know by the Holy Spirit that no one is going into the lake of fire because he ate a hot dog........... You think what you want, it is your preogative. It is your right. Take a vote on it, and the majority may be with you.
 
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[h=1]Romans 14King James Version (KJV)[/h]14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
 
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Consider your reasoning for your position. 'No one should die for the sake of a hot dog', see what you have distilled.
It mirrors Satan's kind of reasoning," You will not surely die for eating an apple.

I have presented to you an intelligent position on the texts that trouble you. You seem to reject this approach, that is not
worthy of a Christian. You must present a scholarly rebuttal.

Jesus said," There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; the very words I have spoken will
condemn them at the last day." John 12:48

Sadly, the majority is with you my brother, for wide is the gate and broad is the way...

I recommend for you to do some research on scavengers, both those of the air and those of the sea. Learn why they can
never be a possible source of food for humans.

Like most Christians you run away from God's words in Isaiah 66:15-17. For you, it is inconceivable that God could mean what
He says. The problem becomes, not that men do not believe in God, it is that they don't believe God.

Satan desired to enter into the pigs, you are witness to his power over those who would eat them.

Study to show yourself approved.
 
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Just tell them to eat some yellow root and be done with it, they will not accept anything else. all we can do is pray and hope. Arguing will not produce fruit.
 
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inJC

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Bro. RobbyEarl, You quoted all of Romans 14

Did you not understand Paul's opening remark? He say's receive the weak brother but not to doubtful disputations.

"doubtful disputations"? this means disputable matters. What Paul is addressing are 'disputable matters' therefore
he is not discussing doctrine! Disputable matters are those we can debate and argue over. That is what is being discussed.
Not doctrinal issues. Eat herbs or don't. Esteem a day or don't. It's up to you, but what Paul is saying is, don't judge your brother over these disputable matters.
 
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RobbyEarl

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Bro. RobbyEarl, You quoted all of Romans 14

Did you not understand Paul's opening remark? He say's receive the weak brother but not to doubtful disputations.

"doubtful disputations"? this means disputable matters. What Paul is addressing are 'disputable matters' therefore
he is not discussing doctrine! Disputable matters are those we can debate and argue over. That is what is being discussed.
Not doctrinal issues. Eat herbs or don't. Esteem a day or don't. It's up to you, but what Paul is saying is, don't judge your brother over these disputable matters.
So we arguing the validity of the work of the cross that is what Paul was discussing or did you have something else in mind?
 
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Heres another

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
 
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RobbyEarl

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To the OP, you should have put some Italian sausage on it, it would have been better
 
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When I first joined the forum I saw a discussion about people enjoying their bacon and chicken and shellfish.



Didn't think much if it but have come across clean and unclean food.

I ate some pepperoni yesterday and felt bad now knowing or having read this and feel very bad now having just eaten another piece.

Where do Christians stand with eating clean and unclean food.

Is eating unclean food now acceptable from NT writings??

Would really miss the clams and bacon and much of the food I saw on the unclean list.

Thank you
It is true that certain animals have a different make up, or a diverse digestive system that enables certain microbes to thrive and if the meat is not cooked properly it can have dire consequences for the eater. But so can good (clean) food when it is not prepared in a clean environment.

I love pulled pork, cooked slowly for at least 8 hours with a honeyed BBQ dressing, bacon and egg sandwiches with brown sauce, trout., pike, mussels and winkles in garlic butter sauce, prawns and lobster, whelks and sea urchins.

My little bit of a take on this and from the Spirit of God who resides within me and will make known to you the truth is; 'If to you it is unclean and you do not have the strength of faith to endure it then walk away from it (what ever it is), If by your faith you have the strength to endure those things that once held you in slavery before you came to know Christ, then help yourself. Have a double pepperoni with extra bits and hot peppers, but let me know where you are and I will join you, at least in spirit (The Pizza hut near us has had a menu change and they now do a lovely rack of ribs in BBQ sauce, well worth a try).

God bless Bro' be yourself in the Father that watches over us, play with the life He has given you as you would watch your children at play, and give thanks to Him for everything he has given you. Amen
 

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