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[iamsoandso]

You mean 5.30. Teitan is a misspelling of Titan, http://webmail.netzero.net/?r=inboxspelled correcly in Greek the same as in English. Iranaeus appears to be saying that an older spelling is known to him. It is not known %to Liddell-Scott. In any event, Iranaeus gives it as an example of 666, not of 616. The Greek spelling is tau=300 epsilon=5 iota=10 tau=300 alpha=1 nu=50. total=666. In any event, this requires epsilon, not eta for the e.

yes at the beginning of our conversation you made the statement,, "seems like a different style of Greek",,so i remember in the preface of book 1 irenaeus states he spoke a barbaric form because he was Keltae,,so then the style of Greek before common was (attic). so i researched attic and there are few differences but one of them was a change in use of diphthongs,some vowels became silent. so you see to irenaeus teitan would be the correct spelling and titan to him(irenaeus) would be the modern Greek. But see he is not using koine he used attic. Koine Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Greek Now i agree with another thing irenaeus stated that is the name was not revealed at this time "for if so he would rule a very long time" that it was a name not spoken. so i think until the holy spirit reveals the name,none of us can calculate it. that is from the wording of irenaeus "he will not come until the holy spirit speaks his name". but irenaeus also speaks a great deal about those deceived not recognizing it when it is spoken. so back to "Teitan"
(1),he says he's 'not suggesting it' is the name.
(2) he states it has 3 syllables,so he believed the actual name would have 3.
(3)he states it is no more in use,very old name.so he thinks the beast name was also.
(4)in the first syllable it has "EI',so he thinks the name will also.
(5)it contains the number,he believe the name will also.
And there is strong conclusion in what he(irenaeus)is doing,he is not using the more common Greek(koine) in any of the 3 examples he gives he uses attic. So the original revalations(autograph) written by john may have been in "attic" which makes more sense being that "being that john was much older,which increases the probability john would have used the older style". there are several other things i noticed but i will keep this short. i think it is very important for mankind to be able to recognize the name when it comes so they need to see all of the descriptions of it.But also we must respect the Holy Spirit,,that "when this name is spoken,he will come".

 

[kenisyes]

yes at the beginning of our conversation you made the statement,, "seems like a different style of Greek",,so i remember in the preface of book 1 irenaeus states he spoke a barbaric form because he was Keltae,,so then the style of Greek before common was (attic). so i researched attic and there are few differences but one of them was a change in use of diphthongs,some vowels became silent. so you see to irenaeus teitan would be the correct spelling and titan to him(irenaeus) would be the modern Greek. But see he is not using koine he used attic. Koine Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Greek Now i agree with another thing irenaeus stated that is the name was not revealed at this time "for if so he would rule a very long time" that it was a name not spoken. so i think until the holy spirit reveals the name,none of us can calculate it. that is from the wording of irenaeus "he will not come until the holy spirit speaks his name". but irenaeus also speaks a great deal about those deceived not recognizing it when it is spoken. so back to "Teitan"
(1),he says he's 'not suggesting it' is the name.
(2) he states it has 3 syllables,so he believed the actual name would have 3.
(3)he states it is no more in use,very old name.so he thinks the beast name was also.
(4)in the first syllable it has "EI',so he thinks the name will also.
(5)it contains the number,he believe the name will also.
And there is strong conclusion in what he(irenaeus)is doing,he is not using the more common Greek(koine) in any of the 3 examples he gives he uses attic. So the original revalations(autograph) written by john may have been in "attic" which makes more sense being that "being that john was much older,which increases the probability john would have used the older style". there are several other things i noticed but i will keep this short. i think it is very important for mankind to be able to recognize the name when it comes so they need to see all of the descriptions of it.But also we must respect the Holy Spirit,,that "when this name is spoken,he will come".

You make an excellent argument that Teitan may be a candidate for the name, based on the observation that we do not know what form of Greek John wrote Revelation, and Iranaeus may very well even have had an original copy in John's handwriting. Of course, I see no persuasive evidence that Iranaeus may be correct; he is just another serious Christian speculating as we all do. I agree it is important to recognize the meaning of the 666 to get to the name. We cannot rule out Hebrew as the language to do the adding in either, and that certainly increases the possible options.

We actually have several open questions, now, right? 1. What does 616 mean? 2. How is it related to IH and the 18 aeons? 3. Who was responsible for the deviations in the Oxyrhynchus text that we have found? 4. What is the name of the Beast that totals 666? I think we have made progress, but it does not seem like there is enough evidence extant to settle any one of the four?

 

[iamsoandso]

616 to me in my opinion was fairly settled by irenaeus as "an attempt made by valantinus/potalamus to calculate the number" but irenaeus himself points out that the error they made was to "change the iota and eta" which is in a.h.book 1 chapter 1. I'm not sure where the 18 aeons came into the discussion(unless i miss-typed it),but as to the doctrine of the gnostics they believed there were "30 aeons",divided into 3 groups of 10. But again irenaeus argues(providing scripture)that they again were also wrong. The origin of 616 is explained in the preface written by irenaeus himself at the beginning of book one,he states,"especially potolymaus who was of the school of valentinus" But notice he sets to summery why. Then he gives several names but warns us that many names could fit these oblagations. Teitan,,was the only one i gave for instance of "linguistics",,that is on the island they spoke attic/Ionian greek,so john who was from Galilee speaking aramaic/comon greek would have picked up their dialect. This i think is why the early church leaders did not think the revelation was written by the apostle john (did not include it until ad400) they pointed out that the writer of the others Gospel of john and his epistles wrote one style and the john of Patmos wrote "pidgon greek",or hence "two or more combined Greek forms"."Teitans" notice he states it is not his oppinion,but one of many possible names.

 

[iamsoandso]

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Against Heresies (Book V, Chapter 30)

Although certain as to the number of the name of Antichrist, yet we should come to no rash conclusions as to the name itself, because this number is capable of being fitted to many names. Reasons for this point being reserved by the Holy Spirit. Antichrist's reign and death. 1. Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end)—I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.] Others then received this reading without examination; some in their simplicity, and upon their own responsibility, making use of this number expressing one decad; while some, in their inexperience, have ventured to seek out a name which should contain the erroneous and spurious number. Now, as regards those who have done this in simplicity, and without evil intent, we are at liberty to assume that pardon will be granted them by God. But as for those who, for the sake of vainglory, lay it down for certain that names containing the spurious number are to be accepted, and affirm that this name, hit upon by themselves, is that of him who is to come; such persons shall not come forth without loss, because they have led into error both themselves and those who confided in them. Now, in the first place, it is loss to wander from the truth, and to imagine that as being the case which is not; then again, as there shall be no light punishment [inflicted] upon him who either adds or subtracts anything from the Scripture, Revelation 22:19 under that such a person must necessarily fall. Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number], when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him, as supposing him not to be the expected one, who must be guarded against.
2. These men, therefore, ought to learn [what really is the state of the case], and go back to the true number of the name, that they be not reckoned among false prophets. But, knowing the sure number declared by Scripture, that is, six hundred sixty and six, let them await, in the first place, the division of the kingdom into ten; then, in the next place, when these kings are reigning, and beginning to set their affairs in order, and advance their kingdom, [let them learn] to acknowledge that he who shall come claiming the kingdom for himself, and shall terrify those men of whom we have been speaking, having a name containing the aforesaid number, is truly the abomination of desolation. This, too, the apostle affirms: When they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction shall come upon them. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 And Jeremiah does not merely point out his sudden coming, but he even indicates the tribe from which he shall come, where he says, We shall hear the voice of his swift horses from Dan; the whole earth shall be moved by the voice of the neighing of his galloping horses: he shall also come and devour the earth, and the fullness thereof, the city also, and they that dwell therein. Jeremiah 8:16 This, too, is the reason that this tribe is not reckoned in the Apocalypse along with those which are saved.
3. It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfilment of the prophecy, than to be making surmises, and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned; and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved. For if there are many names found possessing this number, it will be asked which among them shall the coming man bear. It is not through a want of names containing the number of that name that I say this, but on account of the fear of God, and zeal for the truth: for the name Evanthas (ΕΥΑΝΘΑ&#931 contains the required number, but I make no allegation regarding it. Then also Lateinos (ΛΑΤΕΙΝΟ&#931 has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence]. Teitan too, (ΤΕΙΤΑΝ, the first syllable being written with the two Greek vowels ε and ι, among all the names which are found among us, is rather worthy of credit. For it has in itself the predicted number, and is composed of six letters, each syllable containing three letters; and [the word itself] is ancient, and removed from ordinary use; for among our kings we find none bearing this name Titan, nor have any of the idols which are worshipped in public among the Greeks and barbarians this appellation. Among many persons, too, this name is accounted divine, so that even the sun is termed Titan by those who do now possess [the rule]. This word, too, contains a certain outward appearance of vengeance, and of one inflicting merited punishment because he (Antichrist) pretends that he vindicates the oppressed. And besides this, it is an ancient name, one worthy of credit, of royal dignity, and still further, a name belonging to a tyrant. Inasmuch, then, as this name Titan has so much to recommend it, there is a strong degree of probability, that from among the many [names suggested], we infer, that perchance he who is to come shall be called Titan. We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign.
4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. For if it had been declared by Him, he (Antichrist) might perhaps continue for a long period. But now as he was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the abyss, and goes into perdition, Revelation 17:8 as one who has no existence; so neither has his name been declared, for the name of that which does not exist is not proclaimed. But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Matthew 8:11

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[iamsoandso]

i tried to edit out advertisements but was unsuccessful,,,sorry,,i was only quoting the text.

 

[kenisyes]

Post #83 will recall it to you. The problem was explaining the H before the 616 in the Oxyrhynchus text. You referred me to ah 1.3.2.9 which read:
2. The production, again, of the Duodecad of the Æons, is indicated by the fact that the Lord was twelve Luke 2:42 years of age when He disputed with the teachers of the law, and by the election of the apostles, for of these there were twelve. Luke 6:13 The other eighteen Æons are made manifest in this way: that the Lord, [according to them,] conversed with His disciples for eighteen months after His resurrection from the dead. They also affirm that these eighteen Æons are strikingly indicated by the first two letters of His name [&#8127;&#921;&#951;&#963;&#959;&#8166;&#962;], namely Iota and Eta. And, in like manner, they assert that the ten Æons are pointed out by the letter Iota, which begins His name; while, for the same reason, they tell us the Saviour said, One Iota, or one tittle, shall by no means pass away until all be fulfilled.

The idea was that the H was what was left of IH, and the 616 somehow reflected the 18 aeons.

This is why I have had trouble with TEITAN. The E used here is the E of Greek, not the H, so I cannot understand why Iranaeus says it has the two letters. The two should be H and I, not E and I.

Now that I read this again, I understand it perfectly. See Plato's Timaeus for the construction of the Platonic solids. Gaia, the fifth element (roughly the "earth spirit") is held to be in the shape of a mathematical object called a dodecahedron (55c4-6 is the line referencePlato, Timaeus, section 55c although you may need to do a lot of reading around the context to appreciate it, or search dodecahedron). This thing is 12 equal pentagons sewed together at the sides. It looks a little like a soccer ball. It has 12 faces and 30 edges. The theological statement is that there are 12 types of wisdom shared by Jesus (either through the 12 apostles, 12 tribes of Israel, or 12 years of wisdom He expressed to the doctors in the temple. This is the visible substance of the world spirit, the first 12 aeons. The binding substance (edges) is the other 18. Jesus' name and the 18 months He taught were what gave the 12 power to continue the church. There is another Gnostic legend that a meeting of the 12 was held after the resurrection (that would be tabernacles, and is exactly 18 months) and that church leadership was hammered out at that meeting. Now, maybe we should do 616-550=66?

 

[iamsoandso]

sorry it took a while to reply(funeral to attend to),,,I went back thru our post(thought i may have miss-typed) in my post #101 is a link (wiki)?,,but scroll to the differences between attic and common greek. "dipthong use",,when irenaeus gives the example he states "the vowels E and i" not h,i",,,so it made me wonder.,,,"what makes irenaeus think these two vowels belong there?",,,the only reason i can figure is the abbreviation/nomina sacra is not what he saw in the original,,that is if he saw "vowels" the original would have had to said "six hundred,sixty,six but in greek" not the abbreviation "666",,, now as to plato, i do agree they were probably his works on the 4 elements/12 zodiac signs into their interpretation,,first 12 apostles 18 is the remainder eta=8 +iota=10=18,,hence 12+18=30 aeons,,,,at oxy. along with the other manuscripts they found was the works of "plato",,,so to the gnostic s Plato was fresh on their minds. In another thread,a year or so ago here on cc we were discussing the pyramid of Giza. now some say the shafts leading to the king/ queen chambers will align with the stars at 6:18am/Egypt,DEC.21,2012,,,,this i think makes no sense,for one the shafts are not straight,but even if they were whosoever built the pyramid/pyramids and sphinx would have needed to build it in an incorrect position. that is to take into consideration "Pangaea" during the days of Paleg the continent were divided,the Giza platou did not drift instead lifted up,tilted and rotated to the right. so then if one inch of angularity per inch is "almost equal to 0.0175".",,,then if we extend it out one mile,,,,we then must consider "ark light"and then time,,,,,but then,as in jasher and Joshuah we must consider that the lord stopped the sun in the sky and then it also went backward. not to forget that it is said by the scientist that when the boxing day earthquake nor the earth quake in japan,stopped the earth in it's orbit for an "millisecond",,that is if we begin at "one inch of angularity equals one degree per inch",,,,,,well hat's off plato,in your day you were an modern Marvell,,but today 1.4142135 is the square root of 2,,but again 2+2=4 and that's just more to the point "i agree with Einstein",,except for e=mc square,,that is he was looking for a flaw,,and almost was close enough. ,,,,,but i do agree with you the "Gnostic's,were probably considering the things they herd from Plato or Aristotle",,,,in their theory.

 

[kenisyes]

I understood Iraneus to say that teitan was a sample of the 666. He is giving that as an example of a legitimate way to interpret the correct version. My feeling is, he was looking at a correct copy or Rev., not a gnostic copy. It could have said either 666 or six-hundred sixty-six. His point was just showing the correct theology as opposed to the 616. But I did not understand why he would mention the ei thing. Looking at it again now, I think we have a bad English version. It should read "Titan is a good choice for 666, if you spell it with ei instead of just i, like we used to in the old days". I think that's what he meant.

It is my opinion that there were four sphinxes, one at each of the four corners of the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve's children, legends say, came out to the west (the garden is "in the east"). I have heard there is a sphinx in India somewhere. I think the other two sunk in the flood. I believe the pyramids were aligned to the sphinx. The flood happened, and Pangea separated. I think after the flood, there was an organized attempt to "reorient" the earth, and in fact, the pyramids, Stonehenge and other circles, and various other stone projects were constructed at calculated key points, thinking the earth would move back into position, as the stone realigned the magnetic field. This is part of what caused the continents to move drastically for Joshua's sun-stoppage, and Hezekiah's backward movement of the shadow on the steps. Finally, the prophecy (that's what I think it is) in Gen. 3:24 came true. The translation we cherish is simply wrong. First, a cherub is not an angel. It is one of Ezekiel ch. 1's chariots of God, with the four living creatures symbolized by the sphinx. Secondly, cherubim is plural; how do many angels swing one sword? Third, the word "shamar" can mean "guard", but the primary meaning is "guide". I can't go through the technological interpretations of the sword, but reseach the Talmudic "shamir" (based on shamar) to get yourself started. The correct translation is that the four sphinxes supported a rotating electrical field that ultimately helped shift the earth back to a place where the sphinx pointed due east (in 720BC or so, Hezekiah's shift), and thus the pyramids lined up as we have them now. The pyramids were designed as part of the technological proposal to move the earth back, so the alignments were made theoretically on where the earth should end up; that's why they face north-south-east-west exactly.

Most of what they say about the pyramids is made up. I could write books on the errors. The shafts go different places depending whose study you read. Here is an example how I think: The first pyramid measurement problem in the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus has 1/2 and 1/3 wavelenth measurements drawn in the original - no translation even mentions them. We are interpreting the pyramids completely wrong. When I was in school, in graduate math class, I was taught that the measurement of pi cannot be in the pyramid because the Egyptians were to stupid to compute the value. The Egyptians had the value, and used it (in their math it's 1/5 -pentagram- the measure of wisdom per cubit). We were the stupid people; it took us until almost 2000 to figure out to measure the pyramid to check if it was there or not. A lot of my work on this started with a retranslation of the whole Rhind Papyrus in the light of Scripture. So we don't need elaborate theories about earth movement during the flood to figure out why the alignments are there. Such theories are almost impossible to reconstruct; only like two maps, one poem, and theories about Sumerian mythology are all the sources that have survived. This theory is easier to work with, and almost as easy to prove from linguistics.

On misinterpretation, the square root of 2 is not 1.4142135. That is an approximation. The important point to the Greeks is the fact that it cannot be written down exactly. That's why the Pythagorean Theorem was kept secret for almost 100 years. It proved we can construct a wall of that length. To them, this proved we are not slaves of God, but co-creators. I don't have room for all the reasonings, but we are totally missing how these people thought about life and God. That's why that IH616 could be so important.

 

[iamsoandso]

that's why i said "almost equal to,,,,1.4142135",,,,,,,616,,,we know they were incorrect,,,,here is why it is so difficult to locate the sum of the answer,,

 

[iamsoandso]

lets start back at "aNoY",,,you said you recognized it as "heavenly",,,,i saw the pen set down above "aleph" and then pulled across,,,so what did they abbreviate?,,,,,,,,wisdom,sophia(strongs 4678),,,,"alaph",,,,,,,but then what?,,,

 

[iamsoandso]

well i have to go for now,,ill be back,the pyramids,and Sphinx,,wont that be fun one day!,,le penseur,,,,,

 

[kenisyes]

lets start back at "aNoY",,,you said you recognized it as "heavenly",,,,i saw the pen set down above "aleph" and then pulled across,,,so what did they abbreviate?,,,,,,,,wisdom,sophia(strongs 4678),,,,"alaph",,,,,,,but then what?,,,

heaven in Greek is uranous, written YPaNoYS. I think my idea was that the line is not above 616, it is under aNoY; they were drawing a box around the word.

 

[iamsoandso]

heaven in Greek is uranous, written YPaNoYS. I think my idea was that the line is not above 616, it is under aNoY; they were drawing a box around the word.

yes to try to reply to a few things we've found in the last few post in post 104 in the text numbered (3) irenaeus states "the first syllable containing the vowels E,I" so he narrows it down to the first syllable,then the two vowels. So then it made me wonder,how did he think it even needed those two vowels? that's as if he was saying to the gnostics "your using the wrong vowels h,i instead of E,i",any way that's why it caught my eye. "aNoY" im sot sure of myself,i was trying to count backwards and then using my concordance (strong's) tried searching for the word/words the gnostics chose to abbreviate. but my greek is "weak" so it just seemed to me wisdom and Sophia mean approx. the same thing so trying to put my head thinking like them(gnostics) so i thought they may have seen the word wisdom and Sophia interchangeable and then abbreviated something to denote that. in the post where i gave the other photos one to the right of the one we are working on is lined up with the other fragment so if we continue across and read "that word',we can cut it down from about 18 words to 7-9 or maybe closer to what aNoY was changed from.I'll post another post and state the exact line and letters. the eta just before 616 would not make any sense if they put it at the end of either "number or his",so aNoy seems to be a clue as to the eta since it somthing in the order of the sentence so with the one word in the other fragment we get closer to "aNoY and eta",,,ill post the other word.

 

[iamsoandso]

in post #81 in the fragment at the right second line looks like "Kento" this should fall somewhere between "aNoy and eta",,in the bottom right of the fragment we've been working on it looks like someone wrote (1) and bottom right of the other it looks like someone wrote (2) is probably papyrus fiber picked up in the infrared. kento i cant make out looks like chi,stigma with a line thru it nu ect. i also notice in line 6 of the first fragment is a similar letter .

 

[kenisyes]

yes to try to reply to a few things we've found in the last few post in post 104 in the text numbered (3) irenaeus states "the first syllable containing the vowels E,I" so he narrows it down to the first syllable,then the two vowels. So then it made me wonder,how did he think it even needed those two vowels? that's as if he was saying to the gnostics "your using the wrong vowels h,i instead of E,i",any way that's why it caught my eye. "aNoY" im sot sure of myself,i was trying to count backwards and then using my concordance (strong's) tried searching for the word/words the gnostics chose to abbreviate. but my greek is "weak" so it just seemed to me wisdom and Sophia mean approx. the same thing so trying to put my head thinking like them(gnostics) so i thought they may have seen the word wisdom and Sophia interchangeable and then abbreviated something to denote that. in the post where i gave the other photos one to the right of the one we are working on is lined up with the other fragment so if we continue across and read "that word',we can cut it down from about 18 words to 7-9 or maybe closer to what aNoY was changed from.I'll post another post and state the exact line and letters. the eta just before 616 would not make any sense if they put it at the end of either "number or his",so aNoy seems to be a clue as to the eta since it somthing in the order of the sentence so with the one word in the other fragment we get closer to "aNoY and eta",,,ill post the other word.

that is exactly what I tried to do a while back, and got inconsistent results. I concluded there were several changes to the text, and this was not going to work.

I think Iranaeus is badly translated at this point. Read it as "the first syllable, because it contains e and i, now makes Titan add to 666." He was referring to an old way of spelling it, which gave him another option for the Beast.

 

[kenisyes]

in post #81 in the fragment at the right second line looks like "Kento" this should fall somewhere between "aNoy and eta",,in the bottom right of the fragment we've been working on it looks like someone wrote (1) and bottom right of the other it looks like someone wrote (2) is probably papyrus fiber picked up in the infrared. kento i cant make out looks like chi,stigma with a line thru it nu ect. i also notice in line 6 of the first fragment is a similar letter .

I looked for this for quite some time. I cannot find it in the modern Greek TR where it should be. There is no guarantee the scraps are aligned correctly.

 

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[iamsoandso]

in post #81 in the fragment at the right second line looks like "Kento" this should fall somewhere between "aNoy and eta",,in the bottom right of the fragment we've been working on it looks like someone wrote (1) and bottom right of the other it looks like someone wrote (2) is probably papyrus fiber picked up in the infrared. kento i cant make out looks like chi,stigma with a line thru it nu ect. i also notice in line 6 of the first fragment is a similar letter .

and no,,two things i said were incorrect,,,(1) is 4678 Sophia,,which is in the beggining of verse 18,,3rd word in greek or english kjv..And the other is "kento" this is the are the last 5 letters of strongs 1410,might,doo'-nam-ahee,,so the correct word we need is under "kento",,,ill work on it.

 

[kenisyes]

vnhongcute: I cannot read your post. Can you advise if I need a special font or something. I cannot attach a screenshot. I think you are using a foreign typewriter setup.

 

[kenisyes]

and no,,two things i said were incorrect,,,(1) is 4678 Sophia,,which is in the beggining of verse 18,,3rd word in greek or english kjv..And the other is "kento" this is the are the last 5 letters of strongs 1410,might,doo'-nam-ahee,,so the correct word we need is under "kento",,,ill work on it.

Do you mean dunami in vs. 17? TR has dunHtai as the fifth word.