Leading us to the truth? Which truth? your truth? God's truth? I am assuming you are going to say God's truth but the truth is that the truth is something different depending on the persons views. Our beliefs and our view of things can cloud our judgement of what the truth is, based on what we believe that may be what we see when in fact we are looking through a veil and the truth is still hidden
I want to understand the Catholic faith so....
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Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Angel entered her presence, and he said to her, “Peace to you, full of grace, our Lord is with you; you are blessed among women.”
this is what Gabriel said to Mary when he appeared to her to inform her that she would give birth to Jesus.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
And Elizabeth to Mary after John the Baptist leapt in her womb
and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
This is the first half of the Hail Mary, found in the Bible.
The Angel entered her presence, and he said to her, “Peace to you, full of grace, our Lord is with you; you are blessed among women.”
this is what Gabriel said to Mary when he appeared to her to inform her that she would give birth to Jesus.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
And Elizabeth to Mary after John the Baptist leapt in her womb
and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
This is the first half of the Hail Mary, found in the Bible.
First off Bub, my post was directed to GaryA. {rolling eyes} Secondly, as usual, somebody doesn't know his history very well. However, if you want to dance..... lets dance! I'll ask you the same questions I put forth to GaryA.
1. Is it your understanding that the belief in the Sacraments such as of The Real Presence, Confession, Anoiting of the Sick, to name a few have always been strickly Catholic beliefs, (big C) and still are to this day?
2. Or how about the belief on Marian Doctrines such as The Sinlessness of Mary; her Perpetual Virginity; Mary, Mother of God; The Immaculate Conception; ect. Is it your understanding (belief) that these too have always been strickly Catholic beliefs, and still are to this day?
I will address your answer once GaryA has addressed my post.
Pax Christi
No, I meant what I said, not what you repeatedly try to twist it into meaning according to your agenda. Please show the truth as Scripture reveals:
Evidence of Mary's sinlessness, her immaculate conception, her perpetual virginity, her bodily assumption to heaven, or why I should accept her as the mother of humanity and the queen of heaven, and an intercessor between myself and God? The RCC promotes them as truths, some of them as infallible truths, despite there being no evidence to support them through Scripture, and despite the fact that some of them are plainly directly contradicted by Scripture. Jesus did not elevate Mary at all, and God multiple times says He will not share His glory, while the RCC glorifies not just Mary but Peter, as if the church Christ is building is founded upon a fallible man Jesus called Satan at one point, instead of on a confession of faith in Him, divinely inspired. There are plenty of Scriptures to attest to the fact that God is the sole rock of our salvation. That would be Petra, not Petros... and Jesus told us to call no man Father, but of course Catholics ignore that in favour of their man made traditions as well.
Someone asked, how do I know anything about the Catholic mass. That is another problem with Catholics. They think they are the only ones that know anything about their institution, its practices, man made traditions elevated above the Word of God, and heretical beliefs.
Evidence of Mary's sinlessness, her immaculate conception, her perpetual virginity, her bodily assumption to heaven, or why I should accept her as the mother of humanity and the queen of heaven, and an intercessor between myself and God? The RCC promotes them as truths, some of them as infallible truths, despite there being no evidence to support them through Scripture, and despite the fact that some of them are plainly directly contradicted by Scripture. Jesus did not elevate Mary at all, and God multiple times says He will not share His glory, while the RCC glorifies not just Mary but Peter, as if the church Christ is building is founded upon a fallible man Jesus called Satan at one point, instead of on a confession of faith in Him, divinely inspired. There are plenty of Scriptures to attest to the fact that God is the sole rock of our salvation. That would be Petra, not Petros... and Jesus told us to call no man Father, but of course Catholics ignore that in favour of their man made traditions as well.
Someone asked, how do I know anything about the Catholic mass. That is another problem with Catholics. They think they are the only ones that know anything about their institution, its practices, man made traditions elevated above the Word of God, and heretical beliefs.
Not quite.
A Rite represents an ecclesiastical tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments have as their core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence of matter, form and intention derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament and, thus, is not changeable by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments. When the apostles brought the gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential practices of the faith were inculturated in them, the essential was clothed in the symbols and trappings which conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. This included the sacraments. There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Group of Rites from the Antiochian, under the influence of the St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.
CHURCHES
A Church is the assembly of the faithful, hierarchically ordered, both in the entire world (Catholic Church) or in a certain territory (particular Church). To be a sacrament (sign) of the Mystical Body of Christ in the world a Church must have both head and members. The sacramental sign of Christ the Head of the Mystical Body is the sacred hierarchy, the bishops, priests and deacons. More specifically, it is the bishop, with his priests and deacons gathered around and assisting him in his office of teaching, sanctifying and governing. The sacramental sign of the Mystical Body is the laity, the flock of Christ. Thus the Church of Christ is fully present sacramentally (by way of a sign) wherever there is a chief shepherd (a bishop and those who assist him) and Christian people entrusted to his care. The Diocese of Birmingham, for example, is a particular Church.
Catholic Rites and Churches
Agreed. Doctrinal development occurs in scripture.
"...By development of doctrine, we mean that some divinely revealed truth has become more deeply understood and more clearly perceived than it had been before. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, whom Christ promised to send to teach us, the Church comes to see more deeply what she had always believed, and the resulting insights find expression in devotion of the faithful that may have been quite uncommon in the Church's previous history. The whole spectrum of Christology and Mariology has witnessed such dogmatic progress. Adoration of the Eucharist, therefore, is simply another, though dramatic, example of doctrinal development..."
History of Eucharistic Adoration
That is a lie. You have no scholarly documentation to support your assertion. There is nothing scholarly about funnymentalist hate propaganda.
A Rite represents an ecclesiastical tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments have as their core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence of matter, form and intention derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament and, thus, is not changeable by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments. When the apostles brought the gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential practices of the faith were inculturated in them, the essential was clothed in the symbols and trappings which conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. This included the sacraments. There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Group of Rites from the Antiochian, under the influence of the St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.
CHURCHES
A Church is the assembly of the faithful, hierarchically ordered, both in the entire world (Catholic Church) or in a certain territory (particular Church). To be a sacrament (sign) of the Mystical Body of Christ in the world a Church must have both head and members. The sacramental sign of Christ the Head of the Mystical Body is the sacred hierarchy, the bishops, priests and deacons. More specifically, it is the bishop, with his priests and deacons gathered around and assisting him in his office of teaching, sanctifying and governing. The sacramental sign of the Mystical Body is the laity, the flock of Christ. Thus the Church of Christ is fully present sacramentally (by way of a sign) wherever there is a chief shepherd (a bishop and those who assist him) and Christian people entrusted to his care. The Diocese of Birmingham, for example, is a particular Church.
Catholic Rites and Churches
Agreed. Doctrinal development occurs in scripture.
"...By development of doctrine, we mean that some divinely revealed truth has become more deeply understood and more clearly perceived than it had been before. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, whom Christ promised to send to teach us, the Church comes to see more deeply what she had always believed, and the resulting insights find expression in devotion of the faithful that may have been quite uncommon in the Church's previous history. The whole spectrum of Christology and Mariology has witnessed such dogmatic progress. Adoration of the Eucharist, therefore, is simply another, though dramatic, example of doctrinal development..."
History of Eucharistic Adoration
That is a lie. You have no scholarly documentation to support your assertion. There is nothing scholarly about funnymentalist hate propaganda.
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Okay...Here's one!
Catholics the world over pray 'Holymary, mother of god, pray for us sinners NOW, (and at the hour, etc.). Since millions repeat this request over and over daily, is this mother of god not hearing, or is she simply ignoring the request? What is it the catholics are asking her to pray for, anyway, and wouldn't the best question to ask her be 'why is believing in 'her' son, (The Lord Jesus Christ) alone, Not good enough for salvation?' (NOW, and at the hour, etc.) I wonder what her answer would be.
Catholics the world over pray 'Holymary, mother of god, pray for us sinners NOW, (and at the hour, etc.). Since millions repeat this request over and over daily, is this mother of god not hearing, or is she simply ignoring the request? What is it the catholics are asking her to pray for, anyway, and wouldn't the best question to ask her be 'why is believing in 'her' son, (The Lord Jesus Christ) alone, Not good enough for salvation?' (NOW, and at the hour, etc.) I wonder what her answer would be.
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