I want to understand the Catholic faith so....

[Utah]

prwnJC just likes to stir the pot, Magenta. He leaves snarky obnoxious replies all over the forums.. especially on threads that don't even interest him.

And he's a minister. "shaking head in disgust."

 

[blondieindahouse]

That is correct, a priest cannot forgive sins and Mary is not the same as Jesus. This is Catholic teaching. So what's the problem?

The RC church believes that the priest stands in for Christ to forgive sins. Perverted scripture understanding is represented here:
Have a look. Its a catholic site

An excerp:OBJECTOR: Yes, but didn’t your formula of absolution have the priest saying, "I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit?" That sounds like it’s the priest who is doing the forgiving.
CATHOLIC: Yes, that’s what the formula says, but it says that because the priest is acting in the place of Christ. A priest’s authority to convey forgiveness does not come from himself. It comes from Christ. By the power of the Holy Spirit, the priest stands in the place of Christ to declare the sinner forgiven. That is why the formula of absolution uses the pronoun I. The I is Christ speaking through the human priest. If Jesus had not come to earth, there would be no forgiveness on earth, and if he had not conferred on the apostles this ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:1, we would have no forgiveness today. But we can thank God that Christ did indeed come and that he passed on his authority to the Church to reconcile sinners to God.



http://catholiccentral.webs.com/apps/blog/show/7955178-how-can-a-priest-forgive-sin


Christ is the one who atoned for our sins. He alone is the savior who reconciles us to the Father


Romans 5:11
Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

 

[kaylagrl]

I was stating that Catholic teaching agrees that a priest does not forgive sins and Mary is not the same as Jesus. This is inline with Catholic teaching

Why is it called confessing if I go to a priest? And why am I talking to a man about my sin instead of God the Father? The priest is a sinner the same as I am.



ps. Though I feel strongly about what I believe I dont want to be nasty to you in any way. I did a concert at a church one night and after the service two nuns came up to me and we had a wonderful talk and they were beautiful ladies. So I dont mind discussing but Ive had to deal with a nasty person in another thread and I dont wish to have that with you.

 

[blondieindahouse]

That is correct, a priest cannot forgive sins and Mary is not the same as Jesus. This is Catholic teaching. So what's the problem?

The RC church believes that the priest stands in for Christ to forgive sins. Perverted scripture understanding is represented here:
Have a look. Its a catholic site

An excerp:OBJECTOR: Yes, but didn’t your formula of absolution have the priest saying, "I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit?" That sounds like it’s the priest who is doing the forgiving.
CATHOLIC: Yes, that’s what the formula says, but it says that because the priest is acting in the place of Christ. A priest’s authority to convey forgiveness does not come from himself. It comes from Christ. By the power of the Holy Spirit, the priest stands in the place of Christ to declare the sinner forgiven. That is why the formula of absolution uses the pronoun I. The I is Christ speaking through the human priest. If Jesus had not come to earth, there would be no forgiveness on earth, and if he had not conferred on the apostles this ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:1, we would have no forgiveness today. But we can thank God that Christ did indeed come and that he passed on his authority to the Church to reconcile sinners to God.



http://catholiccentral.webs.com/apps/blog/show/7955178-how-can-a-priest-forgive-sin


Christ is the one who atoned for our sins. He alone is the savior who reconciles us to the Father


Romans 5:11
Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.


Blessings

 

[atwhatcost]

Have not met any nice people here except for one. Maybe if i didnt say I was Catholic, it would have been different. I would name the person who is nice to me, but i don't want them to suffer repercussions from associating with me

If one nice person is who I think of immediately -- you found two. They're a couple and use the same account in here. (oldthennew?)

Many folks on here are nice. Disagreeing doesn't mean not-nice. It means disagreeing.

Hang around a while and you find out "Catholic" isn't the only line drawn in the sand.

 

[zzz98]

The RC church believes that the priest stands in for Christ to forgive sins. Perverted scripture understanding is represented here:
Have a look. Its a catholic site

An excerp:OBJECTOR: Yes, but didn’t your formula of absolution have the priest saying, "I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit?" That sounds like it’s the priest who is doing the forgiving.
CATHOLIC: Yes, that’s what the formula says, but it says that because the priest is acting in the place of Christ. A priest’s authority to convey forgiveness does not come from himself. It comes from Christ. By the power of the Holy Spirit, the priest stands in the place of Christ to declare the sinner forgiven. That is why the formula of absolution uses the pronoun I. The I is Christ speaking through the human priest. If Jesus had not come to earth, there would be no forgiveness on earth, and if he had not conferred on the apostles this ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:1, we would have no forgiveness today. But we can thank God that Christ did indeed come and that he passed on his authority to the Church to reconcile sinners to God.



http://catholiccentral.webs.com/apps/blog/show/7955178-how-can-a-priest-forgive-sin


Christ is the one who atoned for our sins. He alone is the savior who reconciles us to the Father


Romans 5:11
Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.


Blessings

What does John 20:22-23 mean to you? How were they to accomplish this?

 

[blondieindahouse]

Your post predisposes that people here will engage in a reasoned and rational discussion with someone about various Catholic doctrines. They won't.

If, for example, I was to address the unity of all the saints and the issue of intercessory prayer, I'd have to field dozens of people telling me that the Pope is really Muslim, and the RCC is the scarlet-clad whore who rides the beast, or that Catholics secretly devour infants. The propaganda about Catholicism is rampant. Many of the ideas presented here were begun during the Reformation as "spin" to influence thinking about the RCC. Seriously. During the Reformation. In other words, some of this unquestioned propaganda is nearly 500 years old.

What's also interesting to me is the level of vitriol that people have for the RCC, and yet the Orthodox Church is spared. Ironically, the RCC and Orthodox espouse many of the same theological ideas. Yet there is no anti-Orthodox message board on here. People don't consistently start conversations in the chatrooms about how the Orthodox are going to hell, etc. You never hear people discuss iconography, for example. Most Protestants don't even know anything about the Orthodox Church. As a result, they have no idea that many of the beliefs they call "RC" and attack are actually espoused by a large number of churches (even some Protestant churches). For example, infant baptism and belief in the Real Presence are NOT exclusively RC ideas.

Anytime I've attempted to have a *reasoned* discussion with people, several things tend to happen:

1. I get told I'm not really a Christian.
2. I get told I'm *probably* not a Christian because I willingly remain Catholic.
3. I get told that I'm ignorant or stupid or misinformed because I espouse the spiritual views I have. (People have a really hard time believing that my faith is *studied*).
4. I get told that they will "pray" for me (not that they care for me as a person, but they're praying that I'll eventually believe exactly as they do).
5. I get told what I believe by people who have no idea what I believe.
6. I get told how I practice my faith by people who have no idea how I practice my faith.
7. I get told "war stories" of former Catholics with the (faulty) logic that if a person leaves the church for any reason then everyone else should leave the church, too.

And when I point out the error of this kind of thinking (that it's not rational, but emotive...that it doesn't take into consideration the power of the Holy Spirit or the true nature of Christ's victory on the cross...that it presumes that other people determine who is saved instead of God, etc.) I get called "know-it-all," or "heretic," or "hateful," or "fill in the blank with the hate-word of the week."

So, I think it's rather unfair to imply that Catholics are unABLE to defend their beliefs. I don't lack understanding or ability; however, I don't think it's particularly useful to engage with people who don't have a true spirit of inquiry. If you'll read the boards, most of the non-catholics here are quite decided in their views. They're not approaching Catholics as fellow-believers (even though every single topic I've seen addressed recently on these boards is a non-essential). They are certain that they KNOW everything they need to know about Catholicism and all Catholics (no matter how they gained this knowledge). They are also certain that their job is to save me from myself....why? Because they don't believe that I have the presence of the Holy Spirit within me.

Respectfully:
This is what your profile states about being saved!

When saved:
I was baptized as an infant and it took.
Is this how we are saved ( REBORN of the spirit)according to the BIBLE?

Eph 2:8

7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…



Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

If you dont know any better than to claim you were saved when baptized as a baby;I can clearly understand why people are concerned for you.

 

[notuptome]

Have not met any nice people here except for one. Maybe if i didnt say I was Catholic, it would have been different. I would name the person who is nice to me, but i don't want them to suffer repercussions from associating with me

Most are not trying to be mean to you. They are urgently pleading with you about your soul. If you die and wake in purgatory with the popes you will still be in purgatory. It is not temporal but eternal. Jesus said of the rich man that those who would go from there to Abrahams bosom could not because of the great gulf affixed between them.

Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Sobering words right from the Savior Himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zzz98]

Most are not trying to be mean to you. They are urgently pleading with you about your soul. If you die and wake in purgatory with the popes you will still be in purgatory. It is not temporal but eternal. Jesus said of the rich man that those who would go from there to Abrahams bosom could not because of the great gulf affixed between them.

Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Sobering words right from the Savior Himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Most Catholics have a deep love for Jesus and His Catholic church. From my experience especially here, there's not much love for church among protestants. That's why it hurts so much to see her dragged through the mud.

 

[blondieindahouse]

Most Catholics have a deep love for Jesus and His Catholic church. From my experience especially here, there's not much love for church among protestants. That's why it hurts so much to see her dragged through the mud.

The RC church is antichrist. Quit saying it is Christ' church. That is blasphemy.
You complain about being treated unlovingly but yet you continue to fan the fire dont ya?

It is good to save a man from a burning building is it not? Dont feel sorry for someone who is receiving the truth. Gods word does not return void.

Blessings

 

[blue_ladybug]

Thank you my friend for your kind words. Your amazing journey in life and how you have allowed God to work in your life is an inspiration to many, myself included.

AWW.. *blushes* Thank you, tourist. You are pretty inspirational yourself..

 

[kaylagrl]

What does John 20:22-23 mean to you? How were they to accomplish this?

The Bible makes clear only Christ/God can forgive sins.

 

[Magenta]

Most Catholics have a deep love for Jesus and His Catholic church. From my experience especially here, there's not much love for church among protestants. That's why it hurts so much to see her dragged through the mud.

See the distinction you make? You have a love for the Catholic church, and bemoan our lack of love for church. You bemoan a fiction within your own mind. Our love is for the catholic (universal) Church, the one founded by Jesus Christ. You love the Catholic church, the one upheld by your popes and man made traditions that defy Scripture. It is precisely because we love Christ's Church that we wish to protect it from the false teachings the Roman Catholic church promotes.

 

[HappyGuy]

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 10:9-13

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-10

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
now Jesus is our Lord and Savior and He is also our High Priest look at this scripture below

Hebrews 7:17-21

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

now Jesus a mediator

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus as our Avacate

1 John 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Have a great day all and Praise the Lord all Glory and Honor and Praise go to Him.

God Bless and Love U all.

Happy

 

[zzz98]

Goodbye mean ppl

 

[Magenta]

Good bye, be safe, and God bless!

 

[blondieindahouse]

Goodbye mean ppl

God wants to to hear just one more thing before you go!

Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Blessings

 

[Utah]

Goodbye mean ppl

WAIT!!!




Who is the nice person?

 

[HappyGuy]

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 10:9-13

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-10

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
now Jesus is our Lord and Savior and He is also our High Priest look at this scripture below

Hebrews 7:17-21

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

now Jesus a mediator

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus as our Avacate

1 John 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Have a great day all and Praise the Lord all Glory and Honor and Praise go to Him.

God Bless and Love U all.

Happy

these are the Scriptures that show Jesus as our Lord, Saviour, High Priest, Advocate, Mediator. If you want to recieve Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and make Him the Lord of your life say this prayer out loud.

Dear Lord Jesus, I realize that I am a sinner and have broken your laws. I understand that my sin has separated me from you. I am sorry and I ask you to forgive me. I accept the fact that your son Jesus Christ died for me, was resurrected, and is alive today and hears my prayers. I now open my heart’s door and invite Jesus in to become my Lord and my Saviour. I give Him control and ask that He would rule and reign in my heart so that His perfect will would be accomplished in my life. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

 

[Magenta]

WAIT!!!

Who is the nice person?

Why, it was me, of course!















j/k

I think it may have been that married couple that posts
under one account name (oldthenew?), and Tourist as well