Identifying the Spirit of Jezebel

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zone, I have never heard of such a thing ( thankfully), moreover, If, notice I said IF...this thread was made as a jab at you, arent we all grown ppl, what happened to plain speaking folks, who meant what they said and said what they meant? You have been nothing but very plain spoken ( a trait I admire) , instead of making alot of nonsence threads glossing over what ppl wish to convey, why not just lay it out there and go forward. I have to admit and If Im wrong, I humbly apologize, when this was started I said " scotty, I hope this is not to pick appart my zone", he said" No worries, she can most definately hold her own"........INDEED!
 
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Hahaha Indeed! :)
 

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In the Bible, Jezebel was a powerful, wicked queen, and wife of a passive king called Ahab. She was a false prophetess who worshiped the false god, Baal. Baal was the god of prosperity, god of the harvests, god of fertility and sex. (Does this sound like some of the modern day gospels that some people preach?)

Child sacrifices were common. She was killed by several eunuchs at the order of commander Jehu.
Jezebel was a witch, and her spirit of witchcraft is still in operation today in the church, and in the world. It will take both a Jehu and the cooperation of the injured victims (spiritual eunuchs) to kill her again.

The Jezebel spirit is sociopathic. Behaviors you might see (3 or more):

1. They gain power by destroying others. It is like an adrenalin rush when they “win” over someone. They manage to get in positions of authority, and are difficult to displace, once there.

2. They are controlling, manipulative, bossy.

3. they can either be war-like in their personalities, so that they are intimidating,
or
so “sweet,” “perfect,” deceitful, “timid” and sneaky, they are able to fool and recruit others to join them. Sometimes they can be very charming and charismatic.

4. critical of others, vicious to the point of bloodthristy.

5. they are never wrong.

6. They recruit others in their charges against their victims. They act to persuade recruits, and do not give up this activity until the recruits are won over. If the potential recruits do not cooperate and buy into things, this angers them.


7. they are narcissic. While they can tend to be oversensitive themselves, they have no concern for the feelings of others. They are not sympathetic to their victims, and tend to play the role of victim themselves, in order to gain sympathy. This way the real victim is left stranded, and opposed by others if they ask for help. Being the center of attention really pleases them.

8. they lie, and they believe their own lie. Avoiding the truth, or intentionally acting to withhold truth is part of this. false picture is presented to others.

9. impulsive, failure to plan ahead. chaotic at times

10. lack of remorse after hurting someone. they justify the harm.

11. consistent irresponsibility.

12. irritability, aggressiveness (open , or subtle), can be quick tempered.

13. failure to conform to social norms. person is an “outlier” or non-conformist. has their own ways.

14. psychological counseling will not help, since they deny what they are.

15. claims to religious sentiments, but very superficial in devotion. Born-again status is debatable, and unlikely, but would have to be evaluated on an individual basis.

16. usually women, but can be men. The women tend to control their men with sex. And they pick passive men (Ahabs) so they can dominate them.

17. They falsely accuse you, and they do NOT forgive you …..



How to break this spirit:



**since these individuals usually have achieved some level of authority, only someone who outranks them, or a group effort will work. If you are a woman, you need to strong and self confident. If you are a man, you need to be the same, and also not be influenced by threats or tears out of a woman. You also need to have enough male hormone to stand up to her. Also, if you are a man, and this is your wife, be sure the men in your support group can be trusted with her.

1. be sure you are not enabling this person; ie. you are not an “Ahab”

2. gather facts about the person’s activity and behavior, be able to prove it. you have to start by addressing real behavior. you cannot start by telling someone “they have a spirit.” Be prepared to question the person why they behave that way. Make a list of wrongs. Be prepared.

3. gather witnesses, who are also sincere believers (if in a church setting), or other credible authority figures, because the person will attack back, and deny everything. The aggressive types will use their authority to abuse, criticize, & threaten you, and try to have you discredited, or removed. The more sneaky types go into “victim hood” mode, immediately trying to solicit and recruit support, and make you look like you are the abusive one.


4. isolate the person. make sure their own recruits (buddies) are not around. It gets its power from others….so if you get it alone, it is more vulnerable, and more easily defeated. You have to remove the source of its power and “gang up” on it.

5. confront the person with the facts. – expect denial. They will lie through their teeth!!

6. Reject the person’s behavior based on the facts. Tell the person they will not be accepted back into the group unless they repent.

7. If the person repents – showing willingness to change- then

a. Church setting – as a group, bind and cast out the demonic spirit in Jesus name, and persist until it is gone. Expect high resistance, since it is a controlling (witch) spirit. There will be screaming and yelling before it is cast out. It will try to attack you and call you names. Also, expect and ignore plays of “victim hood” during deliverance. Sometimes the spirit cycles between being the attacker, and being a victim. This is to confuse you, so do not give in.

b. secular setting – document records, give warning that future behavior will be monitored. This is because their basic nature has not changed yet, and an eventual repeat of behavior will occur. If it does, the person needs to be fired.

8. Once the spirit is gone, the person needs support and counseling to examine how the spirit entered to begin with, so they can close the door on further attempts by the spirit to enter.


9. If the person does NOT repent, then cut off ties with the person, telling them forgiveness and deliverance is available to them. If you do not cut off ties, they will worry you to death and destroy your peace.

As one commenter stated: The Jezebel needs to learn the meaning of the word “NO!!!!!!!!!“
i see no source citation for this article.

you were either attempting to pass this off as your own writing, or you do not have the courage to identify which camp you come from.

i say both.

a google search any chunk of your text comes up with this same garbage (my assessment) on untold numbers of charismatic and occult websites: i have no idea which one you lifted your post from since you don't SOURCE. without a citation i'm left to draw my own conclusion about whether you are in fact the author of the material you posted; whether you are an hyper-charismatic or occultist; or just careless.

you clearly believe this stuff and are engaged in it or you would not have offered this up to 'the church'.

claiming no knowledge of the source of this "doctrine of devils" - Francis Frangipane, while cutting & pasting his material (whether regurgitated by others or not makes no difference) is reckless and irresponsible.

let's just settle where this stuff comes from then we'll all have to decide.

<WARNING: the following material can be dangerous to your eternal well-being: again, a warning, if you are involved in this SPIRITUAL WARFARE movement i strongly recommend throwing away all that stuff and repenting...z>:

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The Jezebel Spirit (Discernment Series)
Amazon.com: The Jezebel Spirit (Discernment Series) (9780962904981): Francis Frangipane: Books

Editorial Reviews

Product Description

This is a concentrated study on discerning, warring against, defeating and deliverance from the Jezebel spirit. This study booklet consists of selected chapters from Francis Frangipane's book "The Three Battlegrounds."

About the Author

Francis Frangipane is the Senior Minister of River of Life Ministries in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and the President of Advancing Church Ministries. The Lord has used Francis to unite thousands of pastors in prayer in hundreds of cities. With over a million copies of his best-selling books in print, and with an expanding radio and television ministry called "In Christ's Image," he is in much demand worldwide. Francis is anointed to bring the message of Christlikeness to the church.
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http://www.amazon.com/Jezebel-Spirit-Discernment-Francis-Frangipane/dp/0962904988

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these people are ALL part (some knowing satanists and enemies of Jesus, others deceived by spiritism) of the Third Wave, New Apostolic Restoration movement which is a subversive infiltration of the christian church by the occult secret societies (i.e: freemasons).

this doctrine of devils was designed to destroy from within the church ANY RESISTENCE to the NAR takeover: IT'S WORKING.

IF BEING AGAINST THIS SINISTER GROUP OF RISING 'PROPHETS' AND 'APOSTLES' (Dominionists) means you need to call ME "Jezebel', you go right ahead.

you can call me a CAB while you're at it.

you have no threat from me in your church if this is your "spirituality" - you won't find me within a hundred miles of it.



please source your material in the future.
 
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zone, I have never heard of such a thing ( thankfully), moreover, If, notice I said IF...this thread was made as a jab at you, arent we all grown ppl, what happened to plain speaking folks, who meant what they said and said what they meant? You have been nothing but very plain spoken ( a trait I admire) , instead of making alot of nonsence threads glossing over what ppl wish to convey, why not just lay it out there and go forward. I have to admit and If Im wrong, I humbly apologize, when this was started I said " scotty, I hope this is not to pick appart my zone", he said" No worries, she can most definately hold her own"........INDEED!
thank you Ma (and Scotty). i love ya.
zone.
 

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Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

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musterion moos-tay'-ree-on: a secret or mystery (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites) -- mystery.



SECRET SOCIETY
n.


An organization, such as a lodge, that requires its members to conceal certain activities, such as its rites of initiation, from outsiders.



Any of various oath-bound societies devoted to brotherhood (or sisterhood), moral discipline, and mutual assistance. Such societies usually conduct rituals of initiation to instruct new members in the rules of the group (see rite of passage). Greek and Roman mystery religions had their secular counterparts in clandestine social clubs, some of which served as platforms for political dissent. In West Africa secret societies such as Poro (for men) and Sande (for women) serve to translate slight advantages of wealth and prestige into political authority. In parts of New Guinea secret men's societies serve as repositories of tribal knowledge. Fraternal orders such as the Freemasons (see Freemasonry) may be considered secret societies, as may criminal groups such as the Mafia and the Chinese Triads and hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan.


For more information on secret society, visit Britannica.com.

 

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YOUTUBE

Rick Joyner - church of altered states
"Altered states blamed on God. Apostasy called revival."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coVQxfpuBTQ&feature=related


Morningstar Fellowship revival or paganism?
"This is a seven minute clip from a "Holy Spirit Breakout" meeting on April 29th, 2008 at Morningstar Fellowship of Ministries in Charlotte, NC, led by Rick Joyner. Is this Holy Spirit revival or paganism?

Note: That's Rick in the very beginning. Also, the sound is a little ahead of the video.

I posted this because I want people to actually see what goes on in their meetings, who otherwise may only have read their books or heard their messages and might think they agree with Morningstar."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDM7HWapwPs

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WHO IS (Knight of Malta Pagan) RICK JOYNER'S RIGHT HAND MAN?

'APOSTLE' C. PETER WAGNER (Pagan)
 

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C. Peter Wagner

The Company That Rick Perry Keeps: Peter Wagner On Sex With Demons

Submitted by Kyle Mantyla on July 11, 2011 - 11:22am

Last week, we noted that C. Peter Wagner had signed on as an endorser of Gov. Rick Perry's "The Response" prayer rally. In that post, we recalled how claimed that the massive earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan earlier this year was because the nation is in the grip of paganism and that said paganism is the result of the fact that Sun Goddess had “sexual intercourse with the Emperor” of Japan.

Bruce Wilson of Talk 2 Action first posted this video of Wagner explaining how this happened back in 2009, so we thought it might be a good idea to edit it down a bit and repost it here in an effort to highlight the sorts of leaders with whom Perry is associating himself:

<see video at site>

[WAGNER:]

"There is a spirit called a Harlot, a principality, who dominates nations, who dominates territories, who dominates people groups very, very clearly to such an extent that she has fornication with kings. And I can give you an example of how she does this: Japan, as a nation, is one of the nation's of the world which has consciously, openly invited national demonization.

The Sun Goddess visits him in person and has sexual intercourse with the Emperor. It's a very, very powerful thing. So the Emperor becomes one flesh with the Sun Goddess and that's an invitation for the Sun Goddess to continue to demonize the whole nation.

Since the night that the present emperor slept with the Sun Goddess, the stock market in Japan has gone down. It's never come up since."

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/individuals/c-peter-wagner


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QUESTION FOR THOSE WHO WATCH POLITICS AS WELL: WHO IS RICK PERRY?
we're about to find out.
 

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C. Peter Wagner Fights The "Religious Spirit"

"We're in the Second Apostolic Age," declares C. Peter Wagner, "and the government of the church must be in place with apostles and prophets." This new structure is an elaboration on the "Fivefold Ministry" concept in which there are new apostles, who exercise the authority of the Biblical apostles, and new prophets, who are empowered to make new prophecies which have the force of Biblical scripture. Wagner's declaration, on the alleged Second Apostolic Age, is personally convenient because the former Fuller Theological Seminary church growth wunderkind has built, in his International Coalition of Apostles, what may constitute the largest network and political bloc in the New Apostolic movement.

In this undated video segment recorded at an NAR conference, Peter Wagner describes the emergence of a "new wineskin", which is the new church structure of the "Second Apostolic Age" that Wagner has declared began with the new millennium .

"The biggest obstacle to changing something in your church..." Wagner tells his audience, is "the spirit of religion. See, there is a demonic spirit of religion... the spirit of religion is really nasty. Because it is one of the most subtle spirits in the whole kingdom of darkness."

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/12/28/13255/764

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HELLO?

"Jezebel" ZONE here: anyone hearing this??
 
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Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

I believe that a Jezebel is a woman who meets these qualifications:
1. female leadership (teaching)
2. fornication
3. idol worship

The Bible teaches:
1. I Timothy 2:12-13 But I suffer(allow) not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2. Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleaness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
3. Acts 15:29 "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols,..."

Women teachers are popular in the United States in many ways. But to see all three of these problems (which I think would be obvious) in one person is not as popular. Fornication alone is enough to say you have a wicked person in your church. To have a fornicator teaching and practising another religion in the Church is not so popular in Christianity. But in Revelation we see that it is possible. God save those Christian people where this is allowed!
I think there is a spirit of Jezebel. Not that I think you have to be possessed or anything, some people just fit the Scripture and are called Jezebel.
 

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I think there is a spirit of Jezebel. Not that I think you have to be possessed or anything, some people just fit the Scripture and are called Jezebel.
i know jonathan. thank you.
yes, we do have to aknowledge that we have problems from the dark kingdom....we should know that devils will tell us lies and want us to believe they are the truth.

i should ask you jonathan who told you that might be a prophet?
i understand that you love The Lord, and i believe you are my brother and dedicated to Jesus totally.
i'm just really concerned that we might not be listening to the right people sometimes.

take care
love zone.
 
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i know jonathan. thank you.
yes, we do have to aknowledge that we have problems from the dark kingdom....we should know that devils will tell us lies and want us to believe they are the truth.

i should ask you jonathan who told you that might be a prophet?
i understand that you love The Lord, and i believe you are my brother and dedicated to Jesus totally.
i'm just really concerned that we might not be listening to the right people sometimes.

take care
love zone.
I'm not sure what you are asking.
 

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I'm not sure what you are asking.
oh. it's okay jonathan, i'm sorry.
i just wondered how it was determined that you are actually a prophet.
i know you love Jesus.
we don't have to talk about it just now.
love zone.
 
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I do prophecy, so I believe I'm a prophet. God would let you know. I believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, miracles, tongues and interpretation. I don't consider the New Testament over or anything. Maybe not a prophet like you might think. I don't claim to be the most spiritual or anything.
 
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oh. it's okay jonathan, i'm sorry.
i just wondered how it was determined that you are actually a prophet.
i know you love Jesus.
we don't have to talk about it just now.
love zone.
Agreed Zone. It has always been crystal clear that jonathon has a deep love for the Lord :)
 
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YOUTUBE

Rick Joyner - church of altered states
"Altered states blamed on God. Apostasy called revival."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coVQxfpuBTQ&feature=related


Morningstar Fellowship revival or paganism?
"This is a seven minute clip from a "Holy Spirit Breakout" meeting on April 29th, 2008 at Morningstar Fellowship of Ministries in Charlotte, NC, led by Rick Joyner. Is this Holy Spirit revival or paganism?

Note: That's Rick in the very beginning. Also, the sound is a little ahead of the video.

I posted this because I want people to actually see what goes on in their meetings, who otherwise may only have read their books or heard their messages and might think they agree with Morningstar."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDM7HWapwPs

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WHO IS (Knight of Malta Pagan) RICK JOYNER'S RIGHT HAND MAN?

'APOSTLE' C. PETER WAGNER (Pagan)
If that is the kind of stuff women were doing in the early church I'd tell them to shut up too. sorry but any one else catch all the "allah" chanting in the last video?
 

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