Idols: Has the bible become an idol?

[joint-heir]

MY QUESTION TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU SO-CALLED EXPERTS

WHO IS TO SAY
THAT GOD HIMSELF
IN ALL HIS INFINTE WISDOM AND BEING INFALLABLE HIMSELF
DID NOT LEAD IN EVERY DIRECTION IN THE INTERPRETATION
TO HOW THE BIBLE BECAME TO BE THE BIBLE WE READ AS IT IS NOW...?

YOU ALL ACT
AS IF GOD IS LIMITED
AND THIS BIBLE WE READ LIKE IN MY PERSONAL FAVORITE KJV TO BE ACTUALLY FALLABLE

HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH A CLAIM...?
DO YOU HONESTLY KNOW THIS TO BE A FACT...?
OR
COULD IT BE WHAT CAN BE REVEALED UNTO SOME IS DIFFERENT TO OTHERS
SO THIS
JUST MAKES YOU WHINY BABIES CRY.......

SOME BELIEVE IN ONENESS.......SOME BELIEVE IN TRINITY
SOME BELIEVE IN PRE-TRIB RAPTURE.......SOME MID-TRIB.......SOME POST TRIB.......OTHERS NO RAPTURE
SOME BELIEVE IN ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
SOME BELIEVE YOUR SINS ARE ERASED UP TO THE POINT YOU ASK FORGIVENESS
BUT IF YOU SIN AFTER THEN YOU HAVE ENTERED BACK INTO SIN

IT IS ALL BASED ON GOD's REVELATION UNTO US

PROBLEM IS WHEN SOMEONE READS WORDS IN BLACK AND WHITE THEY BELIEVE THAT IS HOW IT MUST MEAN
REALLY...?
THIS IS THE BIBLE
THE LIVING WORD OF GOD

 

[MahogonySnail]

Joint_heir you reminded me of a very interesting fact... the SAME sorts of folks in the SAME sort of time period who chose which books should be in the canon, and in your beloved KJV, are the same Trinitarian folks which you call occult..and pagan...and which formulated the Nicene creed..which outlines the Trinity.and out of interest... the KJV was written BY TRINITARIANS, FOR TRINITARIANS..(the Church of England)...and these facts...establish that your use of hte KJV, and approval of the canon, but rejection of the Nicene creed and the Trinity is a big contradiction. Because you see... the canonised scripture..and the Nicene creed go hand in hand. If you deny one, you basically deny the other. As you reject the Trinity, you may as well read whichever bible you wish, even the apocrypha if you wish for your own inspiration...so don't lecture us..about biblical infallibility, when your own testimony and beliefs are in contradiction.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

MY QUESTION TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU SO-CALLED EXPERTS

WHO IS TO SAY
THAT GOD HIMSELF
IN ALL HIS INFINTE WISDOM AND BEING INFALLABLE HIMSELF
DID NOT LEAD IN EVERY DIRECTION IN THE INTERPRETATION
TO HOW THE BIBLE BECAME TO BE THE BIBLE WE READ AS IT IS NOW...?

YOU ALL ACT
AS IF GOD IS LIMITED
AND THIS BIBLE WE READ LIKE IN MY PERSONAL FAVORITE KJV TO BE ACTUALLY FALLABLE

HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH A CLAIM...?
DO YOU HONESTLY KNOW THIS TO BE A FACT...?
OR
COULD IT BE WHAT CAN BE REVEALED UNTO SOME IS DIFFERENT TO OTHERS
SO THIS
JUST MAKES YOU WHINY BABIES CRY.......

SOME BELIEVE IN ONENESS.......SOME BELIEVE IN TRINITY
SOME BELIEVE IN PRE-TRIB RAPTURE.......SOME MID-TRIB.......SOME POST TRIB.......OTHERS NO RAPTURE
SOME BELIEVE IN ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
SOME BELIEVE YOUR SINS ARE ERASED UP TO THE POINT YOU ASK FORGIVENESS
BUT IF YOU SIN AFTER THEN YOU HAVE ENTERED BACK INTO SIN

IT IS ALL BASED ON GOD's REVELATION UNTO US

PROBLEM IS WHEN SOMEONE READS WORDS IN BLACK AND WHITE THEY BELIEVE THAT IS HOW IT MUST MEAN
REALLY...?
THIS IS THE BIBLE
THE LIVING WORD OF GOD

This makes absolutely no sense. Let's see. You question starts off logically, "Who is to say that God Himself in His wisdom and infallability did not lead in every direction in the interpretation [now here's were it gets tricky] to how the Bible became the Bible [even trickier] we read as it is now?" So, are you asking about interpretation, translation, preservation?
"You all act as if God is limited..." At this point it is disconected.
Could you please repost this more coherantly?

 

[VW]

This makes absolutely no sense. Let's see. You question starts off logically, "Who is to say that God Himself in His wisdom and infallability did not lead in every direction in the interpretation [now here's were it gets tricky] to how the Bible became the Bible [even trickier] we read as it is now?" So, are you asking about interpretation, translation, preservation?
"You all act as if God is limited..." At this point it is disconected.
Could you please repost this more coherantly?

Of course, God did cause the cannon of the bible to be as it is. This is not meant to be trite, but God is in charge, and He can do what He wants to, and no one can stay His hand. But who can say with certainty what His reason was and is? And how about how He causes the people of the world to see it? At one time, it was basically illegal to own a bible, and it was the ones which were around were in a dead language, Latin. If a person was found to have a common language version, they could be put to death. And now, bibles are cheap, easily come by, common, and not very highly regarded by the world as a whole. (Please, I am not saying that we should make the bible unavailable.) When the bible was unavailable, it was in a world ruled mostly by religion.

I understand jointheir's concern. I still believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. But I believe that the gospel has been perverted. God is no longer (in most minds and hearts) a righteous God. He accepts anything, being benevolent and kind and forgiving. (He is benevolent and kind and forgiving, to the righteous.) The apostasy is at hand, because many who claim Him as Lord refuse to see Him as He really is, the awesome God who will take vengence upon the world. (Thank God we are not of the world.) They believe and preach a Jesus who has never existed, one made up in the futility of their minds, a Jesus who meets their every whim about what they would like God to be. Yes, they believe that He was raised from the dead, but they do not believe that He would ever judge anyone, for anything. (We know better, for He called the scribes and pharisees a den of thieves and a pit of vipers, saying that they search the world over to find one disciple and turn him into twice the son of hell that they are. That sounds like judgment to me.)

I believe that God is One. I know Him as 3 separate and distinctive persons, the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit. Is God completely knowable by us? I do not believe so, not in this life. We see in a glass darkly, but then, we will know even as we are known.

In His peace,

 

[superdave5221]

No, I do not say to stop using the bible. I have one open before me now, at this very minute, and every time I sit down to write in this group.

You see, I do not believe that the Spirit will ever lead us to a place that is not scriptural, ever. I do not believe in checking revelation from God against the scripture, because I might not understand the scripture as well as God does. Ha, Ha!! I will never understand that scripture as He does, so how can I check what He tells me against it?

I believe that we have taken a dangerous road, one in which we have placed limits upon God, telling Him in essence, "Okay, you gave us the bible, and maybe it is to be used by Your Spirit to teach us, but we are only going to believe what we can see out of your bible, and if You try to teach us something that is different from what we understand from the bible, then we are going to disregard it and consider it deception." If we did this to our God, our Savior, then the bible has become an idol.

WRONG!

Jeremiah 23: 16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.

Where do we find those things that are from the mouth of the Lord? THE BIBLE!

Matthew 24: 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Where do we find the gospel? THE BIBLE!

Mark 13: 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

What has He told us? READ THE BIBLE to find out.

2 Timothy 3: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Where do we find scripture? THE BIBLE!

Matthew 4: 4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'

Deuteronomy 8: 3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.

Where do we find the word of God? THE BIBLE!

With over 15,000 Christian denominations to choose from, why should we believe anything when it is contrary to what is written in the Bible? At one time God talked directly with man. Later He communicated through His prophets. After Jesus' resurrection, He communicates through Jesus and His apostles. The apostles no longer live, and Jesus is at the right hand of God, but their words are contained in THE BIBLE. God now communicates to us through HIS WORD, with the help of the Holy Spirit, who guides us.

Taking comfort in the Bible is no more idolatry than is carrying pictures of our loved ones in our wallets. We recognize that it contains the word of God, and it reminds us of our special relationship with Him through His Son Jesus Christ.

If you are receiving revelations that are contrary to the Word of God, you might consider that maybe those revelations are NOT from God.

 

[VW]

WRONG!

Jeremiah 23: 16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.

Where do we find those things that are from the mouth of the Lord? THE BIBLE!

Matthew 24: 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Where do we find the gospel? THE BIBLE!

Mark 13: 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

What has He told us? READ THE BIBLE to find out.

2 Timothy 3: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Where do we find scripture? THE BIBLE!

Matthew 4: 4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'

Deuteronomy 8: 3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.

Where do we find the word of God? THE BIBLE!

With over 15,000 Christian denominations to choose from, why should we believe anything when it is contrary to what is written in the Bible? At one time God talked directly with man. Later He communicated through His prophets. After Jesus' resurrection, He communicates through Jesus and His apostles. The apostles no longer live, and Jesus is at the right hand of God, but their words are contained in THE BIBLE. God now communicates to us through HIS WORD, with the help of the Holy Spirit, who guides us.

Taking comfort in the Bible is no more idolatry than is carrying pictures of our loved ones in our wallets. We recognize that it contains the word of God, and it reminds us of our special relationship with Him through His Son Jesus Christ.

If you are receiving revelations that are contrary to the Word of God, you might consider that maybe those revelations are NOT from God.

I still find it hard to believe that people will not understand. I am not nor have I been saying anything against the bible. I find it strange that this topic brings such vociferous remarks. I don't understand why you have taken this stance with me.

How do you see the bible? What place does it hold in your heart? Is it the definitive standard of how we see God? Do you understand it alone, without the leading of the Spirit? Will you limit God to do no thing that you do not understand, according to your understanding of the bible? Is your reason such that it has overcome the limitation of "No man has seen God at any time?" The natural mind is against God, and just because we have said a prayer, and believed, has not put our natural mind in a place where it can understand God. It may, in fact it can understand the bible, and get a lot from it. But as to knowing God, no way, not with the natural mind. The only natural minds who will see God are those who are on their way to the lake of fire after the white throne judgment.

The Spirit of God is given to lead us into all truth. This is a direct quote from Jesus. That is it, I am agreeing with Him in this, period. I am asking if we have maybe taken the bible and put it in place of the Spirit, His teaching us, and instead have taking a thing we can hold in our hand over the Spirit of the living God. No so hard a question, I thought, but I guess I was wrong.

 

[superdave5221]

I still find it hard to believe that people will not understand. I am not nor have I been saying anything against the bible. I find it strange that this topic brings such vociferous remarks. I don't understand why you have taken this stance with me.

How do you see the bible? What place does it hold in your heart? Is it the definitive standard of how we see God? Do you understand it alone, without the leading of the Spirit? Will you limit God to do no thing that you do not understand, according to your understanding of the bible? Is your reason such that it has overcome the limitation of "No man has seen God at any time?" The natural mind is against God, and just because we have said a prayer, and believed, has not put our natural mind in a place where it can understand God. It may, in fact it can understand the bible, and get a lot from it. But as to knowing God, no way, not with the natural mind. The only natural minds who will see God are those who are on their way to the lake of fire after the white throne judgment.

The Spirit of God is given to lead us into all truth. This is a direct quote from Jesus. That is it, I am agreeing with Him in this, period. I am asking if we have maybe taken the bible and put it in place of the Spirit, His teaching us, and instead have taking a thing we can hold in our hand over the Spirit of the living God. No so hard a question, I thought, but I guess I was wrong.

I am sorry that you think I am being harsh. Perhaps I am but I did not mean it that way. I can see that you are a diligent seeker in the Truth. I just think it is unlikely that anyone could put the Bible in place of God. Anyone who would feel that attached to it must be reading it! And if they are reading it, and it is having an effect on them, how could it be anything but a positive effect? God calls us to Him through His Word! If He is calling us, and we respond to the call, He will not lead us astray.

 

[ChristsArmorBearer]

I am sorry that you think I am being harsh. Perhaps I am but I did not mean it that way. I can see that you are a diligent seeker in the Truth. I just think it is unlikely that anyone could put the Bible in place of God. Anyone who would feel that attached to it must be reading it! And if they are reading it, and it is having an effect on them, how could it be anything but a positive effect? God calls us to Him through His Word! If He is calling us, and we respond to the call, He will not lead us astray.

In many ways I believe many denominations guilty of elevating the bible to a godlike status. It is clear than many denominations either have forgotten or open deny the fact that the Holy Spirit's role is to interact with us, leading us away from sin thus molding us into the image of Christ. - Many denominations have accepted doctrine that clearly reject the conviction power of the Holy Spirit and his ability to interact with us on a daily basis (aka personal revelation) and instead they look to the bible as a replacement for the Holy Spirit (rather than a suppliment with the Holy Spirit) simply because the bible is open to doctrinal interpretation thus they embrace doctrines of compromise that they are comfortable with.

To many the holy trinity looks like this: "Father, Son & Holy Bible"

 

[ChristsArmorBearer]

I still find it hard to believe that people will not understand. I am not nor have I been saying anything against the bible. I find it strange that this topic brings such vociferous remarks. I don't understand why you have taken this stance with me.

How do you see the bible? What place does it hold in your heart? Is it the definitive standard of how we see God? Do you understand it alone, without the leading of the Spirit? Will you limit God to do no thing that you do not understand, according to your understanding of the bible? Is your reason such that it has overcome the limitation of "No man has seen God at any time?" The natural mind is against God, and just because we have said a prayer, and believed, has not put our natural mind in a place where it can understand God. It may, in fact it can understand the bible, and get a lot from it. But as to knowing God, no way, not with the natural mind. The only natural minds who will see God are those who are on their way to the lake of fire after the white throne judgment.

The Spirit of God is given to lead us into all truth. This is a direct quote from Jesus. That is it, I am agreeing with Him in this, period. I am asking if we have maybe taken the bible and put it in place of the Spirit, His teaching us, and instead have taking a thing we can hold in our hand over the Spirit of the living God. No so hard a question, I thought, but I guess I was wrong.

I agree completely VW. I see this a lot in the area in which I live especially among cessationist churches. The bible describes people like those you mention: "... they have have a form of godliness but deny the power there of."

 

[superdave5221]

In many ways I believe many denominations guilty of elevating the bible to a godlike status. It is clear than many denominations either have forgotten or open deny the fact that the Holy Spirit's role is to interact with us, leading us away from sin thus molding us into the image of Christ. - Many denominations have accepted doctrine that clearly reject the conviction power of the Holy Spirit and his ability to interact with us on a daily basis (aka personal revelation) and instead they look to the bible as a replacement for the Holy Spirit (rather than a suppliment with the Holy Spirit) simply because the bible is open to doctrinal interpretation thus they embrace doctrines of compromise that they are comfortable with.

To many the holy trinity looks like this: "Father, Son & Holy Bible"

Personal revelation, unsubstantiated by the Word of God is what gets people into trouble. Just ask any Muslim. He will tell you that he gets revelation from Allah. Ask any Hindu. He will tell you that he gets revelation from his gods. Ask any LDS. They tell people to read the book of mormon and pray about it and they will get a "warm feeling". They all think it is the Holy Spirit guiding them. You are wrong in believing that the Holy Spirit guides you apart from the Word of God. How can you know for sure that it is the Holy Spirit guiding you? Satan is very adept at fooling people who disdain the Word of God.

 

[superdave5221]

I agree completely VW. I see this a lot in the area in which I live especially among cessationist churches. The bible describes people like those you mention: "... they have have a form of godliness but deny the power there of."

If you deny the Word of God, you are denying God. Which is worse?

 

[ChristsArmorBearer]

If you deny the Word of God, you are denying God. Which is worse?

It's not that anyone is denying the validity of the Word of God or it's importance. No one is trying to replace the bible or lessen it's value to us as believers. However, because the bible is open to interpretation, many choose to ignore the fact that the Holy Spirit is alive in us and there to lead and instruct us INTO all things righteous (ie. personal relationship), in favor of manipulating scripture in order to push personal agendas and man made doctrines of compromise.

 

[ChristsArmorBearer]

Personal revelation, unsubstantiated by the Word of God is what gets people into trouble. Just ask any Muslim. He will tell you that he gets revelation from Allah. Ask any Hindu. He will tell you that he gets revelation from his gods. Ask any LDS. They tell people to read the book of mormon and pray about it and they will get a "warm feeling". They all think it is the Holy Spirit guiding them. You are wrong in believing that the Holy Spirit guides you apart from the Word of God. How can you know for sure that it is the Holy Spirit guiding you? Satan is very adept at fooling people who disdain the Word of God.

Here's the thing, personal revelation from the Holy Spirit is always PERSONAL and will always agree with scripture. Personal revelation is how the Holy Spirit chooses to reveal unforgiveness, bitterness and the like so that we may grow in faith and maturity.

On the other hand, personal revelation is not to be used to try to "add to" or change the meaning of the scriptures in any way. That's exactly how we end up with doctrines of compromise in the first place.

 

[VW]

I am sorry that you think I am being harsh. Perhaps I am but I did not mean it that way. I can see that you are a diligent seeker in the Truth. I just think it is unlikely that anyone could put the Bible in place of God. Anyone who would feel that attached to it must be reading it! And if they are reading it, and it is having an effect on them, how could it be anything but a positive effect? God calls us to Him through His Word! If He is calling us, and we respond to the call, He will not lead us astray.

But see, that is exactly what I mean, because if it is not in and by the Spirit, how do we know that we have gotten understanding from God? Because we are reading the bible? No! People read the bible and believe that God will not judge anyone! Why? Because that is what they want to believe. Our truth must come from God, from His Spirit. It is the difference between the natural mind and the spiritual mind, (and they are most definitely not the same mind.) And our spiritual mind? It is in agreement with the mind of Christ. Our natural mind? It is in agreement with the god of this world, and it is influenced by the god of this world.

A word about idols. I don't remember exactly where Paul wrote about idols. He did say that the idol itself is nothing, but what makes it an idol is the place it holds in the worshipers heart. Now I am not saying that anyone has put the bible in a place of worship in their hearts. What I am being lead to confront is the belief that the bible is able to teach us about God. I cannot separate the bible from the Spirit, I cannot believe the truth I obtain unless it is from the Spirit, through His teaching, revelation, conviction, whatever, from the bible. But when I try to say this, I get treated like a blasphemer. And every time that happens, I am lead to believe that my concern is founded somewhat in truth.

My plea is that the Holy Spirit wants to open up the treasures of heaven to us, He wants to lead us into things we could not even imagine, things about God that will change us forever and give us His joy. But because we do not trust Him, He is unable to do so, and this causes Him grief, sorrow, remorse. Anyone who gets close to the Spirit and asks to know His heart, they will know His sadness at the way things are now, and how we have been deceived into believing something, subtle, the truth, but still damaging, that prevents us from coming to Him for the liberating truth that only He has.

 

[superdave5221]

It's not that anyone is denying the validity of the Word of God or it's importance. No one is trying to replace the bible or lessen it's value to us as believers. However, because the bible is open to interpretation, many choose to ignore the fact that the Holy Spirit is alive in us and there to lead and instruct us INTO all things righteous (ie. personal relationship), in favor of manipulating scripture in order to push personal agendas and man made doctrines of compromise.

If we have a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit, He should be able to give us a correct interpretation of God's Word. He cannot do this however if we are not reading it. If we do not get a correct interpretation, it is because of our lack of faith and obedience. I am not discounting the effect of a good relationship with Holy Spirit, as He will cause events in our lives that will allow us to further reflect on our understanding of God's Word. But we cannot just assume that personal intuition is Holy Spirit talking with us. If we have a good conscience, and our consciences validate the feeling, AND it is consistent with the Word of God, then we can act on it in confidence.

 

[ChristsArmorBearer]

But see, that is exactly what I mean, because if it is not in and by the Spirit, how do we know that we have gotten understanding from God? Because we are reading the bible? No! People read the bible and believe that God will not judge anyone! Why? Because that is what they want to believe. Our truth must come from God, from His Spirit. It is the difference between the natural mind and the spiritual mind, (and they are most definitely not the same mind.) And our spiritual mind? It is in agreement with the mind of Christ. Our natural mind? It is in agreement with the god of this world, and it is influenced by the god of this world.

A word about idols. I don't remember exactly where Paul wrote about idols. He did say that the idol itself is nothing, but what makes it an idol is the place it holds in the worshipers heart. Now I am not saying that anyone has put the bible in a place of worship in their hearts. What I am being lead to confront is the belief that the bible is able to teach us about God. I cannot separate the bible from the Spirit, I cannot believe the truth I obtain unless it is from the Spirit, through His teaching, revelation, conviction, whatever, from the bible. But when I try to say this, I get treated like a blasphemer. And every time that happens, I am lead to believe that my concern is founded somewhat in truth.

My plea is that the Holy Spirit wants to open up the treasures of heaven to us, He wants to lead us into things we could not even imagine, things about God that will change us forever and give us His joy. But because we do not trust Him, He is unable to do so, and this causes Him grief, sorrow, remorse. Anyone who gets close to the Spirit and asks to know His heart, they will know His sadness at the way things are now, and how we have been deceived into believing something, subtle, the truth, but still damaging, that prevents us from coming to Him for the liberating truth that only He has.

Awesome stuff VW. I have no doubt that it is the Holy Spirit prompting you to talk about this issue.Even I feel convicted about this and I'm in full agreement. It is definitely something that people need to take into consideration. If the Holy Spirit lives inside of us, should we listen to what He has to say?

 

[ChristsArmorBearer]

If we have a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit, He should be able to give us a correct interpretation of God's Word. He cannot do this however if we are not reading it. If we do not get a correct interpretation, it is because of our lack of faith and obedience. I am not discounting the effect of a good relationship with Holy Spirit, as He will cause events in our lives that will allow us to further reflect on our understanding of God's Word. But we cannot just assume that personal intuition is Holy Spirit talking with us. If we have a good conscience, and our consciences validate the feeling, AND it is consistent with the Word of God, then we can act on it in confidence.

Dave, I agree 100%.

 

[VW]

In many ways I believe many denominations guilty of elevating the bible to a godlike status. It is clear than many denominations either have forgotten or open deny the fact that the Holy Spirit's role is to interact with us, leading us away from sin thus molding us into the image of Christ. - Many denominations have accepted doctrine that clearly reject the conviction power of the Holy Spirit and his ability to interact with us on a daily basis (aka personal revelation) and instead they look to the bible as a replacement for the Holy Spirit (rather than a suppliment with the Holy Spirit) simply because the bible is open to doctrinal interpretation thus they embrace doctrines of compromise that they are comfortable with.

To many the holy trinity looks like this: "Father, Son & Holy Bible"

Yep, that is what they believe, but they are not even aware that this is their belief. It is a very subtle deception. The best lie is the truth, meaning something it was never intended to mean.

The bible is such a wonderful and great gift from God, and it is from God. But the bible does not teach us. I am uncomfortable with the song which says that Jesus loves us, this I know, for the bible tells me so. Yes, the in the bible it is written that Jesus loves us, but until the Spirit came and filled me with His love, I just thought that I knew that He loves me. Now I know that He loves me, by His Spirit. Is the song wrong? No! Is it the whole truth? Again, no. Can I understand the fact that Jesus loves me without the Holy Spirit? Again, no, not in the complete understanding that comes by the Spirit. And does this revelation from the Spirit contradict the scripture which says that Jesus loves me? Heaven forbid. It is actually the proof of the written word.

 

[superdave5221]

Here's the thing, personal revelation from the Holy Spirit is always PERSONAL and will always agree with scripture. Personal revelation is how the Holy Spirit chooses to reveal unforgiveness, bitterness and the like so that we may grow in faith and maturity.

On the other hand, personal revelation is not to be used to try to "add to" or change the meaning of the scriptures in any way. That's exactly how we end up with doctrines of compromise in the first place.

My point exactly!! That is how you validate that it IS the Holy Spirit!!

I agree. There are many compromises in the church. If you read Acts, the apostles used a pattern (gr. tupos) in setting up the early congregations. It is not hard to follow that pattern. Most churches today have chosen to ignore that pattern. But where do you get the pattern from, you guessed it, the Bible.

 

[VW]

My point exactly!! That is how you validate that it IS the Holy Spirit!!

I agree. There are many compromises in the church. If you read Acts, the apostles used a pattern (gr. tupos) in setting up the early congregations. It is not hard to follow that pattern. Most churches today have chosen to ignore that pattern. But where do you get the pattern from, you guessed it, the Bible.

I don't believe that you can validate the words of the Holy Spirit. That is a contradiction in terms. The Holy Spirit validates the scriptures, and shows us the truth of God. Now if you are not His, then yeah, you would need something to keep you on the straight and narrow. But we have an anointing from the Holy One, and He is the truth and is not a lie. That is plain truth from the scriptures.