If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

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Why? Saying God rested on the seventh day is not a law. You lack understanding, make up rules, and contradict yourself.
you for get it say remember the sabbath means that it go's back before Moses to Creation, where GOD blessed it and sanctified it, that means for HOLY use
 

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you for get it say remember the sabbath means that it go's back before Moses to Creation, where GOD blessed it and sanctified it, that means for HOLY use
Sill doesn't make it a law at creation. You make stuff up and contradict yourself.
 
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Which brings us to Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

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And that rest is the rest that the law keepers haven't entered into and they do their absolute very best to keep others from entering into it.
 
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How ironic is it that the Sabbath keepers revere the Sabbath day to the point of worshiping it and yet by doing so they are not honoring the Sabaath day. o_O
 
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Are you a Jew living in Old Testament times? No, you're not. That covenant was between UNBELIEVING JEWS and God. Besides that, that Old Covenant expired 2000 years ago. The Jews are now under the covenant of Grace, a NEW covenant for them, but not for the rest of the world.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
If you want to fuss with this you just don't want to know the truth, and Satan wants you to take other people with you to the wrong place, unless repent and keep GOD's commandments, it it A requirement, and these verses tells us so,
 

Magenta

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This is the ten commandment laws LOOK AT it closer
The commandments ARE love, the first 4 are love to GOD, And the last 6 are love to MAN , and this is the ten commandments that he is talking about
Jesus said, "A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another."

John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 15:17
This is My command to you: Love one another.

1 John 3:11
This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son,
Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.


Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.


Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.


Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
 

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Jesus said, "A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another."

John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 15:17
This is My command to you: Love one another.

1 John 3:11
This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son,
Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.


Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.


Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.


Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Amen! :)

What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday. :rolleyes:

The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13)​
According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34)​
This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)​
Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)​
Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)​
From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:
  1. To believe in Jesus Christ
  2. To love one another
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And to keep both will be wrong to, GOD says to Work 6 days and rest on the 7th DAY SABBATH
My Father worketh hitherto, and I work
(John 5:17)
Jesus, being fussed at by people throwing the 10 commandments at Him, says this on a sabbath day

why? :unsure:
 

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Amen! :)

What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday. :rolleyes:

The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction."20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13)​
According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34)​
This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)​
Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)​
Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas}abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)​
From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:
  1. To believe in Jesus Christ
  2. To love one another
https://nonsda.org/study8.shtml

ah, language. the thing that so many ignore.

they just throw out words with no idea as to what they mean..
 
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washburn Tn
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!And it is not saying that they will make it to Heaven, But the ones that are in HEAVEN, are saying that you are worse, on earth, and that means worse then the sinners to!!! because what you are teaching will cause A very grate number be lost, and that is WHY YESUAH says
REV 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
 
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washburn Tn
My Father worketh hitherto, and I work
(John 5:17)
Jesus, being fussed at by people throwing the 10 commandments at Him, says this on a sabbath day

why? :unsure:
He wrote the ten commandments with HIS own finger, IT describes who YESUAH WAS, AND HE loves them
 

posthuman

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He wrote the ten commandments with HIS own finger, IT describes who YESUAH WAS, AND HE loves them
sure.

but that's not really answering my question, at all.

when people attacked Him for working on the sabbath, He said, My Father is always working, and I too work.
what kind of answer is that?


and in another place, people accost Him because His disciples are working on the sabbath. He replies that the priests desecrate every sabbath in the temple by doing what the law requires them to do, and that David and his men did what is flatly contrary to the law by eating the shewbread - yet both are innocent.
what kind of answer is that?
 
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washburn Tn
The 4th Commandment says remember the Sabbath, that means that it go's back to CREATION, And they where Gentiles
The truth is to most people, YEAUAH was not liked by most people ether, truth is what they put HIM on the cross FOR, and I know that HE had to go for our sins
 

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This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!
Who is saying that? 1 John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not "keep" (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. This is not old covenant law.

All we are saying is that we are not under the old covenant law. Now what do you believe it means to "KEEP" God's commandments? You sound very confident that you have sufficiently kept God's commandments and will receive eternal life based on the merits of doing so.
 
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Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
If you want to fuss with this you just don't want to know the truth, and Satan wants you to take other people with you to the wrong place, unless repent and keep GOD's commandments, it it A requirement, and these verses tells us so,
Do you think the Old Covenant is still in play?
 
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washburn Tn
sure.

but that's not really answering my question, at all.

when people attacked Him for working on the sabbath, He said, My Father is always working, and I too work.
what kind of answer is that?


and in another place, people accost Him because His disciples are working on the sabbath. He replies that the priests desecrate every sabbath in the temple by doing what the law requires them to do, and that David and his men did what is flatly contrary to the law by eating the shewbread - yet both are innocent.
what kind of answer is that?
HE was not working for HIS self but was working for the FATHER, is what we are to do on THE SABBATH
 
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Jesus said, "A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another."

John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 15:17
This is My command to you: Love one another.

1 John 3:11
This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son,
Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.


Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.


Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.


Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
And notice that it says "a new command I give YOU", YOU being the JEWS he was talking to.
 
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washburn Tn
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!And it is not saying that they will make it to Heaven, But the ones that are in HEAVEN, are saying that you are worse, on earth, and that means worse then the sinners to!!! because what you are teaching will cause A very grate number be lost, and that is WHY YESUAH says
REV 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.