If God's Word is The Creation and The Truth, that means uncertainty is disturbing both.

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Funkus

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none of this matters, all that matters is loving God in your heart, and the second tier is fellowship
the rest is third tier nonsense and distraction
pastors pontificate on their messaging, others grasp at the special, secret sauce that makes everything true
the real meaning of revelation, the thing you have to believe to be a true Christian or you are lost or ignorant
and so loving God in your heart is forgotten and seen as a third rate rubbish, and all the worship songs speaking of it are vapid in this estimation and all the worship singers are saying nothing
Wrong, so wrong. Loving God is the heart of the gospel and the start of the gospel, and it's fulfillment and eternal reality
Everything else is rubbish and delusion
 
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Funkus said:
none of this matters, all that matters is loving God in your heart, and the second tier is fellowship
the rest is third tier nonsense and distraction
pastors pontificate on their messaging, others grasp at the special, secret sauce that makes everything true
the real meaning of revelation, the thing you have to believe to be a true Christian or you are lost or ignorant
and so loving God in your heart is forgotten and seen as a third rate rubbish, and all the worship songs speaking of it are vapid in this estimation and all the worship singers are saying nothing
Wrong, so wrong. Loving God is the heart of the gospel and the start of the gospel, and it's fulfillment and eternal reality
Everything else is rubbish and delusion
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Right, let's just cause the sleeping to remain sleeping and end up in hell.
 
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God is raising the sleeping right now what are you talking about? Navel gazing isn't the way to heaven
 
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Funkus said:
God is raising the sleeping right now what are you talking about? Navel gazing isn't the way to heaven
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How do you think that comes about to people demanding math and science? Has God not been tapping them on the shoulder this whole time? Some people need science to set them on a path that leads to the light.
 
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OK, fair enough sure i can talk about that. The good thing is science has now enough room for God to enable that conversation and it's scientifically backed too that things are not as simple that it appears. That's a good thing
Quantum mechanics, maths and really all the sciences have a ton of room for God yes I'm on board with that
The Newtonian idea of the clockwork universe is dead and atheist scientists are embarrassed and what they see looking like it permits there to be some kind of creator behind all of it but this is just mechanics. what about knowing this creator?
these are just pointers to something greater at work that we can have a relationship with that was always there even when we knew nothing about the universe and how it worked i just want to be for the love of God
 
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Jesus's arrival was always in the plan. Was it timed to coincide with satan realizing he had a claim on everyone here at the end of the Old Testament?
 
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Did God use satan, before he fell, in the physics of this reality? Did the fall cause this reality to become fallen because satan was connected to it? Did it cause uncertainty of God's Word ..which made this place?
 
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but does this really matter? we are preaching the love of God as the answer, we have the ultimate answer but we don't know the details but we can partake in the fullness of the glory with many unanswered questions that get answered later on. i just think that the ultimate reality isn't knowing why but knowing the person of God and this is more perfectly expressed in worship than in anything else that we have down here. the spiritual needs of humanity are not met by knowing why, but knowing the person of God and it transcends questions even as it answers them and very beautifully because we cannot easily conceive of answers without putting them in human terms
 
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Is being entangled with the Universal Wave, Heaven? Is being entangled with a Black Hole, Hell?

Is it the same thing as being entangled to a type of Morning Star?
 
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Are we entangled to both right now with the knowledge of good and evil? Is being fully entangled with satan only, what hell is?

I wonder if the entanglement to entropy will cause people to be walking around with their souls on fire.
 
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I would have to say that I believe that the single most important thing we need to learn is the divine truth and that entails the true character of God (the trinity).
Christ came to save our souls a d deliver us from the fear of death and slavery from sin from the enemy.
Knowjng the truth will do all if the above, but first and foremost it will assure your salvation, becaus, well, the truth will MAKE you free.
Try to change that little piece of truth to mean something else.
Peopls all defensive about clarifying the truth with their battle armor on, and if they knew the truth they could defeat the battle naked and destitute of any weapons, because, well, there js power in truth, and it walks hand in hand with love, and it will defend and prevail because of what it is period.
Stopl fhe offensive opinions and just speak the truth in love. Remember, if it's not done in love, it profits NOTHJNG!!
 
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14meatcc said:
I would have to say that I believe that the single most important thing we need to learn is the divine truth and that entails the true character of God (the trinity).
Christ came to save our souls a d deliver us from the fear of death and slavery from sin from the enemy.
Knowjng the truth will do all if the above, but first and foremost it will assure your salvation, becaus, well, the truth will MAKE you free.
Try to change that little piece of truth to mean something else.
Peopls all defensive about clarifying the truth with their battle armor on, and if they knew the truth they could defeat the battle naked and destitute of any weapons, because, well, there js power in truth, and it walks hand in hand with love, and it will defend and prevail because of what it is period.
Stopl fhe offensive opinions and just speak the truth in love. Remember, if it's not done in love, it profits NOTHJNG!!
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You're not grasping what it takes to get through to the sleeping.
 
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Did God give us the fine-tuning argument in Job 38:5, "Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?"
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
The core of our fallen reality.
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If by "core", you mean "the means by which mankind's free will had the opportunity to sin (fall)", then, yes I agree. I guess the wording is just unusual. I prefer to use terminology and phrases directly from the Scriptures.
 
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Not just knowledge, but the knowledge of good and evil. Which includes the experience of both good and evil, as well as their consequences. Adam and Eve experienced the consequences of disobedience (evil).

As regards the Uncertainty Principle (from Quantum Physics) it is more than likely that it was already a part of the universe before the Fall (as were all Natural Laws).

"The uncertainty principle is certainly one of the most famous aspects of quantum mechanics. It has often been regarded as the most distinctive feature in which quantum mechanics differs from classical theories of the physical world. Roughly speaking, the uncertainty principle (for position and momentum) states that one cannot assign exact simultaneous values to the position and momentum of a physical system. Rather, these quantities can only be determined with some characteristic “uncertainties” that cannot become arbitrarily small simultaneously."
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-uncertainty/
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God planted this tree in the garden of Eden, just like the rest:
“The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food {Gen 3:6}; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” (Genesis 2:8–9)
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it is more than likely that it was already a part of the universe before the Fall (as were all Natural Laws).
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All creation came under a curse when sin entered the world through Adam (Gen 3:17, Isa 24:6, Rom 5:12, 8:20-22), If you have Biblical evidence for the idea of it existing, I am open to a Biblical discussion. So the current state of the universe is not the same as it used to be. I would imagine, for example, that the law of entropy didn't exist before the fall. Things decay and move towards chaos because of the fall of man. I am sure there are other "laws" of nature that function differently (or at all) Since sin was added to the equation of reality.
 
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(I meant to include this on my other comment)

Nehemiah6 said:
Roughly speaking, the uncertainty principle (for position and momentum) states that one cannot assign exact simultaneous values to the position and momentum of a physical system.
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“Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” (Genesis 2:9)
“from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’ ”” (Genesis 3:3)

Following this "uncertainty principle" seems to call the Holy Spirit a liar every time he uses a preposition to refer to the location of an object. According to God, things have a definite location.
 
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Diakonos said:
Following this "uncertainty principle" seems to call the Holy Spirit a liar every time he uses a preposition to refer to the location of an object. According to God, things have a definite location.
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Absolutely. But the Uncertainty Principle tells us that matter and energy are both waves and particles. The particles have a definite location but the waves are in motion. But this has nothing to do with calling the Holy Spirit a liar. That is just a red herring, since God himself has created the universe to show these aspects of matter and energy at the sub-atomic level.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Absolutely. But the Uncertainty Principle tells us that matter and energy are both waves and particles. The particles have a definite location but the waves are in motion. But this has nothing to do with calling the Holy Spirit a liar. That is just a red herring, since God himself has created the universe to show these aspects of matter and energy at the sub-atomic level.
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Anyone who claims to understand quantum physics is making an overconfident claim. So many aspects of the field are still very underdeveloped in our understanding. Perhaps we will be able to see a resolution to the seeming contradictions in the future when we have better technology to observe this amazing world God has made.
 
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Diakonos said:
So many aspects of the field are still very underdeveloped in our understanding.
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"Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is one of the cornerstones of quantum physics, but it is often not deeply understood by those who have not carefully studied it. While it does, as the name suggests, define a certain level of uncertainty at the most fundamental levels of nature itself, that uncertainty manifests in a very constrained way, so it doesn't affect us in our daily lives."
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-heisenberg-uncertainty-principle-2699357
 
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