IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?

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Not external to perception, God gets ya' from within your own mind- everyone- individually- alone. Thus there's nothing anyone can do about any of it. "And they will be seized by their forelocks" (Conscious forebrain) And, "the kingdom of heaven is within you." Jesus of Nazareth
 
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In converting value to, "money" the trust behind it relies on a system that keeps it viable legal tender for all debts public and private. Very difficult to enforce or sustain for a host of reasons. Until of late it's certainly been necessary to facilitate commerce exchange efficiency for everyone. But we have to remember that those dollars represents the hard work of other long before it got into your hands. Money cannot be hoarded at the top as we see today, but has to timely circulate through the populace like blood through the body. Only temporary, money is a vehicle for the nation's advancement to a point only. The trouble is in how it's perceived as a viable race that many run after, but only a very select few can ever realize the prize, so to speak. Never enough goody to go around, and so it should be? Liberty and justice for all? So many 'ponderizations' to engage, so little time.
Again money HAD it's use, but we have before us all an opportunity to do something unprecedented. By money or 'making friends with the unrighteous mammon' the increase is in the land. We have enough to house clothe and feed the planet COMFORTABLY and for FREE if we all work together.
 

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This type of thinking has all the marking (no pun inteneded) of preparing the minds of men for the appearance of the beast.

Again money HAD it's use, but we have before us all an opportunity to do something unprecedented. By money or 'making friends with the unrighteous mammon' the increase is in the land. We have enough to house clothe and feed the planet COMFORTABLY and for FREE if we all work together.
 
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Most of what the world considers crime today is caused by the love of money. Drug dealing and gangbanging is a result of scarcity of supply to a man's needs based in money. No matter what one does for it, it is a prostitution of love to a created object. I thought that most here claimed to have free will...

Are we slaves to what we created?
 

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Will rattle most here but in fact Jesus was largely an anti-social loner by disposition. Not quite how the Canon of the text post Council of Nicea we know today. He said many things that dissed his own family and others quite ungraciously. But this is largely ignored. There is really no conflict between recorded history, science and technology and that of the Bible. Though currently no such broadly accepted connection exists. God forbid, eh? And any idea I'm subtly claiming I'm The Christ or anything of the sort is impossible nonsense. There will be no return of Christ as anticipated. The Father takes prominence in this latter day, not the son.
 

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This type of thinking has all the marking (no pun inteneded) of preparing the minds of men for the appearance of the beast.
But such must happen for the end to happen. No free will choice exists in the mattner whatsoever. It all still serves the same purpose. And the mere idea/belief in a Satan is powerless in the face of such. Recall that Satan invariably destroys his own ability to destroy further. Such has in fact mercifully accelerated the process to the end. In hindsight, something quite good, wise and necessary. Your fear of Satan is utter nonsense. And such you unwittingly empower the idea of evil.
 
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This type of thinking has all the marking (no pun inteneded) of preparing the minds of men for the appearance of the beast.
If you believe this then you have no understanding of what the beast is. I'm advocating that we FREELY give all things to all men. But I CANNOT BUY OR SELL unless I have the mark, the name or the number of the beast. In other words keeping it short, if I DO NOT ACCEPT THE ESTABLISHED FAILED SYSTEMS OF MAN, I CANNOT ACQUIRE WEALTH IN THE WORLD.

There's no profit in Jesus saving all men. There's no profit in giving 3 million homeless one of the 18 million empty homes to choose from. And there is NO PROFIT in peace.

We as a people are HYPOCRITICAL AS HELL! How can we want the best education for our children when we pay for education?

If there is a war, and your sons and daughters are drafted into a battle they do not want to fight, why isn't it the same for the COMPANIES WHO MAKE THE WAR MACHINES? THEY MAKE BILLIONS!!!!

But look how our country treats the troops who fight and give their lives for this corrupt system? How much of those billions do you think they and the families left behind has gotten of that?

People PLEASE wake up! Your lights is on NOT because you work to pay the bill but because the wire runs electricity to the house. And the same energy we put into to eek out a living, we could put into working together. instead of our brilliant minds working on missiles and bombs, they could be working on solutions to build a better world for all.

NO MAN needs another man over him. Proof of this is that we all go to one source. It isn't the bible or a written law that keeps people civil, nor causes them to act otherwise.
 

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Forget it, you really should read the Word.
 
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Question: Why does the government pay farmers not to grow crops?
Robert Frank: Paying farmers not to grow crops was a substitute for agricultural price support programs designed to ensure that farmers could always sell their crops for enough to support themselves. The price support program meant that farmers had to incur the expense of plowing their fields, fertilizing, irrigating, spraying, and harvesting them, and then selling their crops to the government, which stored them in silos until they either rotted or were consumed by rodents. It was much cheaper just to pay farmers not to grow the crops in the first place.
Of course, paying people not to do work is bound to be politically awkward (think of the old New Yorker cartoon of an accordion player on a subway platform with a sign next to his cup that read, "Will not play Lady of Spain, 25 cents"). So the government described the program as an environmental one rather than an income maintenance scheme. As described to the public, it was compensation to farmers for retiring acreage to reduce fertilizer and pesticide runoff into the nation's water supply.
Why Does the Govt. Pay Farmers to Not Grow Crops? | The Business Desk with Paul Solman | PBS NewsHour | PBS


It isn't as if the government has "rescued" these homeless people. Homeless shelters all over the nation are turning people away each night because they have no more room. There are many homeless people that are lucky just to make it through each night alive during the winter.
Sometimes a well-timed sandwich or a cup of warm soup can make a world of difference for a homeless person. But many U.S. cities have decided that feeding the homeless is such a threat that they had better devote law enforcement resources to making sure that it doesn't happen.
This is so twisted. In America today, you need a "permit" to do almost anything. We are supposed to be a land of liberty and freedom, but these days government bureaucrats have turned our rights into "privileges" that they can revoke at any time.
Feeding The Homeless BANNED In Major Cities All Over America
 
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Forget it, you really should read the Word.
I did... And I will show the world what I learned and saw before I die. I'd rather do that and die a fool than to work all my life to barely make a living, only to be old enough not to enjoy it.

I see fruit and food everywhere and I'm ready to harvest.
 
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Proverbs 6:6-11

[SUP]6[/SUP]Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.
 

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Perhaps the one comforting sounding thing I can say is to repeat not to become dismayed at what is about to happen that will seem to defy the scriptures. Many believers will come to conclude in the process that there can't possibly be a God who would betray so many devoutly religious folks who were convinced of their rightful place in the kingdom and the like. The first heaven passing will not be comforting to most at all. The scriptures stipulate the matter, and surely it will happen regardless.
And it makes more sense why Jesus felt forsaken briefly and prayed to the Father to remove his own cup earlier at the ROCK, as though such was remotely possible. "Father, if it be possible let me not be myself." So that's why his prayer came back as it did. Nothing could prevent it. And so it will be for all humanity here at the onset to the end of time/end of days.

Ramble On
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wdeaton65

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Will rattle most here but in fact Jesus was largely an anti-social loner by disposition. Not quite how the Canon of the text post Council of Nicea we know today. He said many things that dissed his own family and others quite ungraciously. But this is largely ignored. There is really no conflict between recorded history, science and technology and that of the Bible. Though currently no such broadly accepted connection exists. God forbid, eh? And any idea I'm subtly claiming I'm The Christ or anything of the sort is impossible nonsense. There will be no return of Christ as anticipated. The Father takes prominence in this latter day, not the son.


The Father and I are one do you know what this means and what Yeshua is referencing here? No long winded theological puke Yes or No? the word alef chet dalet = echad do you know what this means.
 

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To everyone who is against blessing and prosperity in this life, I will take what you don't want. Thank you.

And anytime we question the intention or heart of other people, we reveal our own.

Threads like these make me sad, I don't think I'll comment again.

But, I will say one last thing, this very platform that God is using to let us have this discussion is supported by "unrighteous mammon". The computer that you are using was purchased by "unrighteous mammon". The internet you are using, the house you sleep under, the clothes you wear, the food you eat. These are all the things "unrighteous mammon" has purchased for you. So be thankful that God provides.

With the same measure we judge others, we shall be judged. I say God keep giving us "unrighteous mammon" that we might put it to righteous causes. That we might help fund this website, that we might put clothes on other peoples back, food in stomachs, funding for missionaries...

Yes God will provide. And sometimes He uses me and you. And if you won't stand in the gap to receive blessings, I will. So give me what you don't want so it doesn't go to waste.

This spirit of poverty must be broken. This thinking that life is about me, and my walk, and my trials and temptations... that I've got some magnifying glass on me that God is using to analyze my choices... NO. It's about loving one another. It's about providing for each other. It's about being an impact, a light on a hill, in this Earth with the limited time we've been blessed to do it. And if God wants to give us resources then I say bring it on. And if you don't like the way one steward uses the money God has blessed them with, then bring it up to God or bring it up privately to that person, but don't you dare slander their name because you don't live in their shoes. Don't dare gossip and stand around saying look how evil they are.

We can not stray from the "One Body" that Jesus told us to have. Lifting each other up. Loving on one another. Covering weaknesses and multitudes of sins. I pray that the church widely gets wisdom in this area. The good news is that God has had enough and radical transformations of love are sweeping through the Earth. And we shall see amazing awesome things, like hearts opening up to each other that were once wounded. Homes being opened up. Love being shown. Joy being displayed. Peace being walked in. And a Kingdom of Restoration being revealed.

We live in exciting times.

C.
 

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Will rattle most here but in fact Jesus was largely an anti-social loner by disposition. Not quite how the Canon of the text post Council of Nicea we know today. He said many things that dissed his own family and others quite ungraciously. But this is largely ignored. There is really no conflict between recorded history, science and technology and that of the Bible. Though currently no such broadly accepted connection exists. God forbid, eh? And any idea I'm subtly claiming I'm The Christ or anything of the sort is impossible nonsense. There will be no return of Christ as anticipated. The Father takes prominence in this latter day, not the son.



whats this rubbish
 

zone

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Perhaps the one comforting sounding thing I can say is to repeat not to become dismayed at what is about to happen that will seem to defy the scriptures. Many believers will come to conclude in the process that there can't possibly be a God who would betray so many devoutly religious folks who were convinced of their rightful place in the kingdom and the like. The first heaven passing will not be comforting to most at all. The scriptures stipulate the matter, and surely it will happen regardless.
And it makes more sense why Jesus felt forsaken briefly and prayed to the Father to remove his own cup earlier at the ROCK, as though such was remotely possible. "Father, if it be possible let me not be myself." So that's why his prayer came back as it did. Nothing could prevent it. And so it will be for all humanity here at the onset to the end of time/end of days.

Ramble On
Led Zeppelin
oh dramaqueen why are you so mysterious:confused:

jimmy page is our sage. who knew
 
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Perhaps the one comforting sounding thing I can say is to repeat not to become dismayed at what is about to happen that will seem to defy the scriptures. Many believers will come to conclude in the process that there can't possibly be a God who would betray so many devoutly religious folks who were convinced of their rightful place in the kingdom and the like. The first heaven passing will not be comforting to most at all. The scriptures stipulate the matter, and surely it will happen regardless.
And it makes more sense why Jesus felt forsaken briefly and prayed to the Father to remove his own cup earlier at the ROCK, as though such was remotely possible. "Father, if it be possible let me not be myself." So that's why his prayer came back as it did. Nothing could prevent it. And so it will be for all humanity here at the onset to the end of time/end of days.

Ramble On
Led Zeppelin
Sounds likes "your" mind pretty made up!
 
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richie_2uk

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Whether you believe?, or dis the true word, or make up your own mind on this topic, or even have your own understanding on this matter. It says plain and simple in:

1 Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs"

Believe it or not. That is Jesus own spoken words on that matter. Take it or leave it. Believe it or don't. The word says IT IS. Not maybe, not perhaps it could be, or well you know, there is possibility that the money could be a root of evil. " Says clearly, whether you accept it or not. Money IS a root of ALL evil.
 
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Money is not the root of all evil...
the LOVE OF MONEY...

see the difference???

money in itself is nothing, it's a mere tool like anything else...
we humans on the other side put stuff/people as our idol...
 
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wdeaton65

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To everyone who is against blessing and prosperity in this life, I will take what you don't want. Thank you.

And anytime we question the intention or heart of other people, we reveal our own.

Threads like these make me sad, I don't think I'll comment again.

But, I will say one last thing, this very platform that God is using to let us have this discussion is supported by "unrighteous mammon". The computer that you are using was purchased by "unrighteous mammon". The internet you are using, the house you sleep under, the clothes you wear, the food you eat. These are all the things "unrighteous mammon" has purchased for you. So be thankful that God provides.

With the same measure we judge others, we shall be judged. I say God keep giving us "unrighteous mammon" that we might put it to righteous causes. That we might help fund this website, that we might put clothes on other peoples back, food in stomachs, funding for missionaries...

Yes God will provide. And sometimes He uses me and you. And if you won't stand in the gap to receive blessings, I will. So give me what you don't want so it doesn't go to waste.

This spirit of poverty must be broken. This thinking that life is about me, and my walk, and my trials and temptations... that I've got some magnifying glass on me that God is using to analyze my choices... NO. It's about loving one another. It's about providing for each other. It's about being an impact, a light on a hill, in this Earth with the limited time we've been blessed to do it. And if God wants to give us resources then I say bring it on. And if you don't like the way one steward uses the money God has blessed them with, then bring it up to God or bring it up privately to that person, but don't you dare slander their name because you don't live in their shoes. Don't dare gossip and stand around saying look how evil they are.

We can not stray from the "One Body" that Jesus told us to have. Lifting each other up. Loving on one another. Covering weaknesses and multitudes of sins. I pray that the church widely gets wisdom in this area. The good news is that God has had enough and radical transformations of love are sweeping through the Earth. And we shall see amazing awesome things, like hearts opening up to each other that were once wounded. Homes being opened up. Love being shown. Joy being displayed. Peace being walked in. And a Kingdom of Restoration being revealed.

We live in exciting times.

C.
Spirit of poverty what is that? Judging others Mt.7 that means to condemn you know to hell. Magnifying glass yes GOD does look and measure every thought every intention and so on. I wonder if you are following mark barclay or creflo dollar joel olsteen or maybe one of the other false teachers. I am not saying that youy are following these guys but your reasnoning seems to line up with what I have heard them preach. If you are listening to these types of false teachers run for the hills.