If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken

[Dan_473]

Yes in the same which words are inspired. . men moved by the Holy Spirit not moved by men as things seen the church , Yes Athanasius rejected the Apocrypha .

Possibly athanasius rejected the Apocrypha, possibly not.

I think this is an interesting article
http://www.catholicvoyager.com/2010/09/did-athanasius-reject-deuterocanon.html?m=1

 

[Dan_473]

Yes in the same which words are inspired. . men moved by the Holy Spirit not moved by men as things seen the church , Yes Athanasius rejected the Apocrypha .

If the holy Spirit tells you what is scripture, then can you settle the question of how Mark ends?

https://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16&version=NASB

I think two of the notes at the bottom of that webpage are interesting
Mark 16:9 Later mss add vv 9-20
Mark 16:20 A few late mss and versions contain this paragraph, usually after v 8; a few have it at the end of ch

 

[Jackson123]

Also, maybe it would be good to talk about what people like Abel, Enoch, or even Abraham himself knew about God.

Were those three examples adoring Abraham God? Of course, Abraham was! What did each person know about God? What were the key characteristics that they attached to God in their minds?

It will be different topic

 

[Jackson123]

It sounds like you want to change the subject. If you don't want to talk about it anymore, that's okay, we can stop.

But if you do want to talk about it more, are you agreeing that your Bible relies on Christian tradition? That is, your Bible relies on Christian tradition for what books are included in it?

Yep you can say the Bible is christian tradition, not pagan tradition, pray to the death is pagan tradition

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, I agree that baptism for the dead is not a good idea.

But suppose you wanted to use the Bible only. And you wanted to live and practice Christianity in a way that was as close as possible to the earliest Christians. Then it would make sense to explore ways to baptize for the Dead.

No, Paul just attack the logic why people believe in the death baptism but not believe resurection

 

[Jackson123]

I don't know. If you are asking me to read the Bible for myself, and by myself decide what happens after we die, then you are asking me to use a Protestant approach to Bible reading and interpretation.

So it would make sense that if a person does that, they will arrive at a Protestant conclusion.

Is catholic bible teach purgatory?

 

[Jackson123]

I think the Catholics would probably say yes, though they might find things in the Bible that form a basis for it.

Myself I don't see a reason to ask Mary to ask Jesus for something, why not just ask Jesus directly.

So from yourself catholic is wrong, am I correct?

 

[garee]

If the holy Spirit tells you what is scripture, then can you settle the question of how Mark ends?

https://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16&version=NASB

I think two of the notes at the bottom of that webpage are interesting
Mark 16:9 Later mss add vv 9-20
Mark 16:20 A few late mss and versions contain this paragraph, usually after v 8; a few have it at the end of ch

Not sure what is the point ? Someone added or someone excluded a portion of Mark 16? How would it affect the outcome?

 

[garee]

Yes, I agree that baptism for the dead is not a good idea.

But suppose you wanted to use the Bible only. And you wanted to live and practice Christianity in a way that was as close as possible to the earliest Christians. Then it would make sense to explore ways to baptize for the Dead.

I would think they have the same scriptures as us .With a few extra as hidden wisdom or private revelations .

I think a person would first have to define "baptize for the Dead" The scripture uses it in respect to those dead in their trespasses and sin without hope and without God as the baptism of the Holy Spirit giving them eternal spirit life. Hearing the gospel, believing Him our Holy Father in heaven ( not on earth)

Jesus said let the dead bury their own dead. Catholisicim keeps those appointed by a sinner the Pope alive as patron saints. .The bible call those kind of workers with familiar spirits that are falsely used as a living hope in a hope they are communing with who they hope it is.

Because the whole legion of gods not seen in the likeness of men as patron saints. Idol image must be used like that of Rachel , the teraphims she hid from her father, used as a family shrine. lit with many candles to illuminate it at night . . .teraphims must be used when seeking the help of disembodied spirits . (3500 and rising patron saints ) picking up speed these days.

it is simply a form of necromancy ,the Hebrew word darash . Tt can be used in two ways, necromancy as in seeking the dead by those living having the proper teraphim , or in a God honoring way seeking after of father living to those dead in their trespasses and sin.

It's not candle light needed but the glory of our father, the other use of darash seeking after our one Father in heaven the one manner we might seek after the things not seen having no form. .Not a multiple of dead fathers no longer here under the Sun.

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.Isaisah 8:19 -20

 

[Dan_473]

It will be different topic

That's interesting! I think it would be the same larger topic, the question of what people need to know about God in order to qualify as adoring Abraham God.

But maybe in the end it all comes down to different ways of interpreting different scripture passages.

 

[notuptome]

If the holy Spirit tells you what is scripture, then can you settle the question of how Mark ends?

https://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16&version=NASB

I think two of the notes at the bottom of that webpage are interesting
Mark 16:9 Later mss add vv 9-20
Mark 16:20 A few late mss and versions contain this paragraph, usually after v 8; a few have it at the end of ch

God has protected and preserved His word. The long ending of Mark must be understood in the context of the rest of the word of God. Problems arise when folks take a verse out and use it to create a pretext to support a particular doctrine they wish to espouse.

Become well versed on the parts of the bible that are not subject to question and you will not question any parts of the bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dan_473]

Yep you can say the Bible is christian tradition, not pagan tradition, pray to the death is pagan tradition

Yes, and since the Bible is Christian tradition, does it make sense to read it in isolation, that is, without looking to see how Christian tradition as interpreted those same scriptures?

Another way of putting it is does it make sense that the people closest to the apostles and Prophets would have a good idea of what those apostles and Prophets meant?

 

[Dan_473]

No, Paul just attack the logic why people believe in the death baptism but not believe resurection

How would you arrive at that conclusion? It's a matter of Bible interpretation.

I suppose a person could say that other than this one instance there is no record of early Christians baptizing for the Dead. But in that case, a person would be appealing to Christian tradition again.

 

[Dan_473]

Is catholic bible teach purgatory?

I think that the Catholics would say that the scriptures, properly interpreted, teach purgatory.

How much of it is directly stated and how much of it is implied or hidden in some fashion to be revealed to the body of Christ later, I don't know what the Catholics would say about that.

 

[Jackson123]

That's interesting! I think it would be the same larger topic, the question of what people need to know about God in order to qualify as adoring Abraham God.

But maybe in the end it all comes down to different ways of interpreting different scripture passages.

We need to kmow what is in behind. Catholic have ambition to create one world government.

https://www.proclaimingthegospel.or...03854&message_id=180068078&topic_id=180021176

https://www.proclaimingthegospel.or...03854&message_id=180068078&topic_id=180021176

That is why Catholic say Muslim adore abraham's God. To prepare for one world religion to support one world government, lucifer government

So lie is ok for her, because her father is lucifer

 

[Dan_473]

So from yourself catholic is wrong, am I correct?

Well, I wouldn't definitely say it was wrong, just that I can't see a reason for it. Some Protestants like to pray really long prayers. I can't see a reason for that either.

I did hear from an educated Catholic person one time that asking Mary to pray for you is not required, it's just a common practice. But I haven't researched that for myself.

 

[Jackson123]

How would you arrive at that conclusion? It's a matter of Bible interpretation.

I suppose a person could say that other than this one instance there is no record of early Christians baptizing for the Dead. But in that case, a person would be appealing to Christian tradition again.

If no record Christian baptizing the death, than don not do it

 

[Jackson123]

Well, I wouldn't definitely say it was wrong, just that I can't see a reason for it. Some Protestants like to pray really long prayers. I can't see a reason for that either.

I did hear from an educated Catholic person one time that asking Mary to pray for you is not required, it's just a common practice. But I haven't researched that for myself.

So you believe it is right, but you do not know the reason ?

 

[Dan_473]

Not sure what is the point ? Someone added or someone excluded a portion of Mark 16? How would it affect the outcome?

If the idea is that we are to use scripture only, then it is helpful to know if a passage is scripture or not, it seems to me.

 

[garee]

If the idea is that we are to use scripture only, then it is helpful to know if a passage is scripture or not, it seems to me.

I agree. Was it left out or did someone add something that was not there? Did it change the gospel message? Either way it does not change the law of interpretation. . . . as it is written we abide in him, not man like Peter seen. The it in as it is writen represents the faith of Christ that does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:26 -27

If we would as a Catholic must in order that they can seek the approval of their daysman the Pope . Then we have made the faith of Christ as the it that the gates of hell could never prevail against.

Scripture reveals that kind of blasphemy. It would remove the grace of God according to Peter (this shall not be unto thee.) .The Catholic key by which they lord over the faith of the pew sitters. peter was forgiven of his blasphemy. today because the Son of man is no longer here it could never be forgiven . Why seek the approval of the Pope and in doing commit blasphemy ?

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men Mathew16:22-23