If Scripture says God is a God of Justice then why is there so much INjustice?

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Magenta

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In Isaiah 45:7 it says: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

God creates all things. If you think God doesn't, then how would you explain good if there was no bad? How could there be an up if there was no down?
GOD is GOOD and HE did NOT create EVIL. I think it terribly sad that you believe He did.
 

saintrose

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I have been given justice at times while other times I matured through the situation. But also God made you to be within the Church. The hands and feet of Jesus. Christian organizations all the time are fighting for justice. There is a spiritual war.
Same here but the times justice hasn't come are hard. Very hard.
 

saintrose

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Where is God has been asked throughout mankind's existence. Compare your situation to Paul or any of the Apostles. Constantly being treated unfairly. Many losing their lives.
Jesus even says because they hated me, they will also hate you.

The short answer is we are to work and speak for what is just. God does work throughout life, sometimes we may not see it or know why God doesn't act.

For the Christian we are focused on the eternal. In the eternal is where absolute justice will be dealt. Remember this life is just a vapor compared to eternity. The evil will spend eternity in Hell.
I know the apostles were mistreated and I know they despaired of life and that's the wall I've hit. So much wrong has happened and such grave injustice that I can hardly bear it. So I'm experiencing what the apostles have. But I'm just weary and God knows it yet does nothing. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I know the apostles were mistreated and I know they despaired of life and that's the wall I've hit. So much wrong has happened and such grave injustice that I can hardly bear it. So I'm experiencing what the apostles have. But I'm just weary and God knows it yet does nothing. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING.
Also in order to say God does nothing must mean we can see the future. Something could change tomorrow. Paul lived through his 1st imprisonment not knowing if his life was to be extended. Did Paul lose hope? We see him having joy and still evangelizing through his situation. I'm sure it wasn't easy as in his writings you can see occasionally he doesn't forget to mention those who mock him or gave up on him.
Even later being held in a cell much like this one below.

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He didn't give up. Jesus being the most innocent man of all went through multiple unjust trials, beatings, and ultimately crucified.

To say God does nothing is for us to be all knowing and all seeing. It would mean we can see that at no point in the future justice comes or that of all knowing we understand the workings of God.

A faith crisis will do 1 of 2 things. It will explode your faith in good way or the doubts will smother it out. My crisis of faith turned into a all consuming fire for truth to my doubts. I wrestled then night and day for hours on end. Reading countless books and research to get a answer that I was happy with. I found the answers I needed and it exploded my faith. I no longer have doubts of God's existence especially including the supernatural responses.

Of course life is hard but we are to have a eternal perspective. Great people of faith have died knowing that marvelous promise.
 

Rose2

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Sensible response - thank you. I know a lot of christians hit the wall, so to speak, in their faith. I've hit it a number of times. When the bottom falls out of your faith and everything you've placed your faith in is shattered it's hard to see clear to what God is doing. I remember one time I was going through great need and had begged God for help but as usual, none came. I was speaking with another christian who effusively gushed about how God had answered her family's prayers for a puppy. Oh my did it hurt. Yes. Tell me how God answered your prayers for a puppy and how I'm being nailed to the wall and God doesn't hear.

So yes, my faith has been tested a number of times. I'm just getting tired of it and tired of God and tired of trying to do the right thing when others do wrong and get away with it. I dealt with a corrupt sibling who tried taking money from my share of an inheritance. She hired a law firm that was corrupt. He got a lawyer who works in the probate office to steal my mail. I tried reporting it to the prosecutor's office and the detective refused to act. Theft of mail is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. That was when I saw just how corrupt the government is.

That corrupt lawyer tried everything to cheat me out of that money and dragged it out for a year. He and the Executrix along with the corrupt probate lawyer and prosecutor's office should have gone to jail - yet they didn't. Where was God? I was also going through unbearable physical impairments at the time from an accident. God di allow me to get a (rare) honest judge and I won in court but then the corrupt lawyer ran the bill up and he got money out of my settlement. All of my ex-siblings are corrupt - except one. And all claim to be Christians.

So I try really hard to be honest and fair and where does it get me? Corrupt people and dishonest people just cause me grief. And I had to look on as a corrupt probate lawyer STOLE MY MAIL - A FEDERAL OFFENSE. There is no justice anymore.
Your in constant pain and have become acutely aware of the suffering of others in order to answer some of those tough and valid questions that you have about God. The struggle is real. Why doesn't God do something more substantial; give something for a child of His to hang on to!

You said, " So yes, my faith has been tested.." Have you considered why your faith is being tested and who is testing you? There is a bible verse that says God will not give any person more than what they can handle. At one time, in my own situation when that verse came to my mind, I responded to God sarcastically and angrily, " Oh, I see what that verse means now. As along as a person is still breathing then they can handle anything thrown at them and come out smelling like a bed of flowers. Why can't you see that I can't handle this anymore?"

My answers were difficult to swallow but there was not one single human being that could even remotely come close to helping me the way God continues to help me, as I struggle. People only have to open their mouths and it's like nails on a chalk board to me. At least God is always there and challenges me. He never turns away, no matter how often I feel I "need" to turn away from Him.

I guess what I am trying to say is that God is with you at all times. You weren't hand picked to have the specific experiences that you are having, but you are having them, none the less. You aren't alone. If its your faith that's being tested, then maybe that is a clue to a weak spot in your armor... so tell me, how do you begin to not believe in God? How do you go on without dealing with God? How do you go on living when all of those whom you seen commit evil against you and others and God allows them too and HE doesn't change them?

What's a cash inheritance compared to no inheritance from God? Your fortune lay with the Father, not in this world.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I know the apostles were mistreated and I know they despaired of life and that's the wall I've hit. So much wrong has happened and such grave injustice that I can hardly bear it. So I'm experiencing what the apostles have. But I'm just weary and God knows it yet does nothing. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING.
Yes sometimes you can know all the verses but it doesn't do anything.

These are not new thoughts. God knows every aspect of human thought & emotion. From the time God heard the spilled blood of Abel calling for justice to the souls of the martyrs under his alter (Rev 6:9) calling to him. "How long O Lord?" He has carried the burden for justice. He feels everything deeper, longer and more intensely than we are capable of.

He isn't joking when he says "vengeance is mine".

I would suggest spend a bit of time reading Lamentations , Job and Ecclesiastes.
Injustice & accountability are addressed in many books.

"My God My God, why have you forsaken me?"

You are not alone.

Psalm 73:3 (NASB)
3 For I was envious of the arrogant
As I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
4 For there are no pangs in their death,
But their strength is firm.
5 They are not in trouble as other men,
Nor are they plagued like other men.
6 Therefore pride serves as their necklace;
Violence covers them like a garment.
7 Their eyes bulge with abundance;
They have more than heart could wish.
8 They scoff and speak wickedly concerning oppression;
They speak loftily.
9 They set their mouth against the heavens,
And their tongue walks through the earth.

Jeremiah 12 (CSB)
You will be righteous, Lord,
even if I bring a case against you.
Yet, I wish to contend with you:
Why does the way of the wicked prosper?
Why do all the treacherous live at ease?
2 You planted them, and they have taken root.
They have grown and produced fruit.
You are ever on their lips,
but far from their conscience.
3 As for you, Lord, you know me; you see me.
You test whether my heart is with you.
Drag the wicked away like sheep to slaughter
and set them apart for the day of killing.
4 How long will the land mourn
and the grass of every field wither?
Because of the evil of its residents,
animals and birds have been swept away,
for the people have said,
“He cannot see what our end will be.


WAIT FOR IT!

2 Thessalonians 1 (NASB)


3 We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brethren, as is only fitting, because your faith is greatly enlarged, and the love of each one of you toward one another grows ever greater;
4 therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction,
away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.
 

Blik

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GOD is GOOD and HE did NOT create EVIL. I think it terribly sad that you believe He did.
God created ALL things, and to not belief God did is to deny scripture, for scripture tells us this is the way it is. God gave us control, and the ability to choose. God is love and wants only good for us. Adam decided to know about evil when he opened it, God immediately gave a way to save ourselves through Christ--at first through the sacrificial system that worked to save them in sleep until Christ came. God is love and God is good, but it is important to know God created all things.
 

Magenta

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God created ALL things, and to not belief God did is to deny scripture, for scripture tells us this is the way it is. God gave us control, and the ability to choose. God is love and wants only good for us. Adam decided to know about evil when he opened it, God immediately gave a way to save ourselves through Christ--at first through the sacrificial system that worked to save them in sleep until Christ came. God is love and God is good, but it is important to know God created all things.
Evil is not a "thing." It is the absence of good. God is good. I am sorry you do not believe that.
 

saintrose

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Dear @saintrose I have read your posts on this page detailing your struggles with corrupt lawyers and law firms, and dishonest siblings. You have really been put through the wringer, and I am so sorry to hear that the ordeals you have endured are wearing you down so much. You may feel you are being weakened but I see you being strengthened; I cannot help but think that you are being tried for the purpose of strengthening your faith for greater works, and am reminded also that despite how things currently look to you, we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. It seems you are being hated and punished for sticking to principles others are in dire need of, and I hope there is some comfort -no matter how small- in knowing your behavior puts theirs' to shame, and also acts as a light to any who may have been by-standers through any of this, in witnessing the power of God in your life. I pray you are able to keep your focus on Him, not in what you perceive to be His failures to vindicate you against your enemies while He supplies for the seeming trivial needs others, but that in praising Him in spite of your tribulations and practicing gratitude for what you do have as a result of Him, your light shines all the brighter as you continue to place your cares at His feet.

I am also reminded of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:25-26 and Luke 12:57-59

Matthew 5:25-26 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny."

Luke 12:57-59 "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled on the way, or your adversary may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny."

That's very sensible - thank you - I needed that encouragement. As I read your words it was uncanny - I actually screamed at God and told Him He must be preparing me to do something because He's put me through the fire. It was very very hard standing against lying siblings - I was angry at God for putting me in a family of filthy vipers - you don't know the half of it. The one sister Linda, is an evil witch who should be thrown into hell - I don't know why God allows her to breathe. She has caused more grief than I can even begin to say. She stole my other sister's house off of her while she was grieving the death of her husband. She did something very very evil to my family and lies about it. The youngest is a lunatic who lied and used the corrupt lawyer against me. I know a lot of it is attacks from Satan since I know that's who is behind it - but why doesn't God give me a break?

You have a good grasp on it: I held to the truth when the corrupt lawyer, corrupt probate lawyer, corrupt siblings all lied like the disgusting filth that they are. It's so hard to do right when everyone else is doing wrong and then get punished and brutalized for doing what's right.

I'm having a hard time coming to terms with dealing with such amoral people. I don't know how they look in the mirror - they must have seared conscience. It's just too much at this point. I thought God must have prepared me for some work since He's let me have very great battles that nearly killed me but He's yet to reveal to me what it is He wants.

Thank you for the encouragement - I'd really appreciate prayer. The thing that hurts the most is God's inaction in the face of it. I read Psalms this morning and saw where David said "when my heart is overwhelmed within me" - and that's where I'm at. My heart is overwhelmed - I feel a pressure in my chest from dealing with sickeningly corrupt people.

The probate lawyer, on the bidding of my ex-sibling's corrupt lawyer, stole my mail - a Federal offense. I reported it to the detective and he said "No crime was committed" - just like that. Not a shred of conscience, he automatically rubber stamps what she did. There is a verse in Scripture about the heart of the wicked growing bold and that's what I dealt with.

The witch, Linda, did something very very evil - and she's a professing Christian. Heaven would not be heaven with her there. This was where I came to the verse: "Many are called but few are chosen" because I can't imagine a witch like her in heaven - she would foul the air and contaminate it. I hope and pray that she's not there but I hope and pray that God stops her evil - she spreads evil wherever she goes and hurts people because she knows how to lay it on thick. I warned my cousin about her - but I don't know if she heeded my warning because I had to cut them all out of my life for sanity reasons. There is something evil in that family - I just don't understand why God won't act.

But when the witch did something evil she looked triumphantly - and Scripture says there are six things the Lord hates, and one is a proud look. So why doesn't God wipe it off her face?

The lawyer's son sold drugs in town destroying lives and now he's sitting up in daddy's practice in their huge, expensive, prestigious office practicing law while his victims are in the grave. His father hates me and tried to destroy me because I know his son was a drug dealer. He's a professing Christian too by the way. My husband said he's living in fear that his son will be found out since his reputation is everything. He's a dirt ball and I wouldnt put anything past him to protect his son.

So I'm weary dealing with so much overt evil and God's inaction. I feel like Job.
 

saintrose

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We live in this world and sometimes the injustice we must endure is extreme. It is our choice to let God tell us how to react to it or let our flesh tell us how. Our fleshly or rather reactions without God a part of them tells us to hit back, tell God how we are hurt and how unfair it is, to give up our joy and contentment.

God's way is for us to act with justice, to allow our tormentors the same freedom to choose their ways that God gives us, to use this prayer for them: "The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make His face to shine upon you and give you peace". We can do everything we can to repair the injustice to us, but when nothing can be done God asks us to accept.

The way of the flesh is to squirrel cage the injustice living it over and over in our minds like a squirrel on his wheel along with telling God over and over "ain't it awful". It takes only one time for us to know of a happening, and God doesn't need to be told for God knows and is judging.
What would it take for God to but say the word to alleviate my suffering and put a stop to amoral people? One word is all it would take. Is it so much to ask?
 

Magenta

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That's very sensible - thank you - I needed that encouragement. As I read your words it was uncanny - I actually screamed at God and told Him He must be preparing me to do something because He's put me through the fire. It was very very hard standing against lying siblings - I was angry at God for putting me in a family of filthy vipers - you don't know the half of it. The one sister Linda, is an evil witch who should be thrown into hell - I don't know why God allows her to breathe. She has caused more grief than I can even begin to say. She stole my other sister's house off of her while she was grieving the death of her husband. She did something very very evil to my family and lies about it. The youngest is a lunatic who lied and used the corrupt lawyer against me. I know a lot of it is attacks from Satan since I know that's who is behind it - but why doesn't God give me a break?

You have a good grasp on it: I held to the truth when the corrupt lawyer, corrupt probate lawyer, corrupt siblings all lied like the disgusting filth that they are. It's so hard to do right when everyone else is doing wrong and then get punished and brutalized for doing what's right.

I'm having a hard time coming to terms with dealing with such amoral people. I don't know how they look in the mirror - they must have seared conscience. It's just too much at this point. I thought God must have prepared me for some work since He's let me have very great battles that nearly killed me but He's yet to reveal to me what it is He wants.

Thank you for the encouragement - I'd really appreciate prayer. The thing that hurts the most is God's inaction in the face of it. I read Psalms this morning and saw where David said "when my heart is overwhelmed within me" - and that's where I'm at. My heart is overwhelmed - I feel a pressure in my chest from dealing with sickeningly corrupt people.

The probate lawyer, on the bidding of my ex-sibling's corrupt lawyer, stole my mail - a Federal offense. I reported it to the detective and he said "No crime was committed" - just like that. Not a shred of conscience, he automatically rubber stamps what she did. There is a verse in Scripture about the heart of the wicked growing bold and that's what I dealt with.

The witch, Linda, did something very very evil - and she's a professing Christian. Heaven would not be heaven with her there. This was where I came to the verse: "Many are called but few are chosen" because I can't imagine a witch like her in heaven - she would foul the air and contaminate it. I hope and pray that she's not there but I hope and pray that God stops her evil - she spreads evil wherever she goes and hurts people because she knows how to lay it on thick. I warned my cousin about her - but I don't know if she heeded my warning because I had to cut them all out of my life for sanity reasons. There is something evil in that family - I just don't understand why God won't act.

But when the witch did something evil she looked triumphantly - and Scripture says there are six things the Lord hates, and one is a proud look. So why doesn't God wipe it off her face?

The lawyer's son sold drugs in town destroying lives and now he's sitting up in daddy's practice in their huge, expensive, prestigious office practicing law while his victims are in the grave. His father hates me and tried to destroy me because I know his son was a drug dealer. He's a professing Christian too by the way. My husband said he's living in fear that his son will be found out since his reputation is everything. He's a dirt ball and I wouldnt put anything past him to protect his son.

So I'm weary dealing with so much overt evil and God's inaction. I feel like Job.
Job did come to mind for me, in likening your situation to that of his torments and losses. It is difficult for me to truly fathom the depths of the depravity of those you are dealing with, though I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, as do you, the source of it, and the pain, destruction, and tragedy of it, and I can understand how disturbing it is for you having to deal with such evil on a continual basis, the perplexity of wondering why God allows it, and the sense of being absolutely gobsmacked at how people can live with themselves when you see so clearly the corruption, collusion, cover-ups, and tacit indifferent acceptance of ongoing heartlessness and amoral behavior.

You are fortunate to have your husband for support. Do you seek emotional and moral support elsewhere? In the face of having so much weighing on you, widening the sphere in which you can share your burdens could help alleviate some of them for both of you. You may find yourself helping others in unforeseen ways in so doing, also. I wonder, too, if it would be possible at all for you to somehow distance yourself more from your family so you are not forced to deal with them so intimately. It might be ideal if you could move away from them to cut them off completely, though understandably that may be too impractical and/or disruptive, as well as draining financially. Peace of mind is a precious commodity not easily attained or maintained in the midst of such unmitigated lawlessness and taxing turmoil.

I looked up mail theft as well, and found that it should be reported to the
Postal Service. Report Mail Theft <- That is a link I hope is helpful to you.


Father God, we lift up to You our sister, Your precious daughter saintrose. As saintrose faces difficulties and overwhelming obstacles that seem insurmountable, please show Your power and give Rose triumph over her trials, that she may experience serenity in spite of all adversity and restrictions, proving her life to be a testimony to Your supremacy as she moves forward to conquer the enemies who seeks to destroy her. Thank You for giving saintrose steadfast strength to endure, that she may prevail in the work of our Lord, and rest in You while You fight her battles. Please clothe saintrose with power to overcome, and an increase in peace to be content in every circumstance, allowing saintrose an eternal mindset to release the toxins of bitterness and resentment. We thank You always for Your goodness and grace, knowing You are strong and true, working best through our weakness, with plans to prosper us, abounding in love for us. To You be all the power and praise and honor and glory, in the Name of above all names we pray, amen.

 

Blik

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What would it take for God to but say the word to alleviate my suffering and put a stop to amoral people? One word is all it would take. Is it so much to ask?
You are asking God to make a new rule, to rule that we don't have freedom to choose any longer. I'd much rather just do what God tells me to do, and accept that God can be trusted with how he created the world. God told me what to do when others choose to harm me.
 

massorite

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This is something that troubles me and I cannot seem to get to a place of rest within my spirit. I believe the bible but so much doesn't seem true - such as Scripture saying God is a God of Justice and yet I see injustice all around me. I have also cried out for justice numerous times and yet still I see evildoers apparently prosper.

Take Nancy Pelosi - one of the most evil politicians yet why is she still alive? Why didn't she die of the coronavirus, or why hasn't God removed her - He leaves her here to continue her wickedness. I've seen this up close too: evil people who God could have easily taken out yet He leaves them to continue doing wickedness. I know someone who has caused so many people a lot of grief yet God keeps her here. I don't usually pray for someone's death but I have prayed for her death.

Can anyone share how they came to terms with what the bible says vs what they're SEEING?
In injustice never occurs at the hand of God. It always occures at the hands of men. So this falls back to "FREE WILL" and our "sinful nature". We can choose to do whatever we want at any time. Unjust Wars are never started by God but are always started by men and any unjust act ever made and ever will be made was made by the hands of men. Anyone who has an intimate relationship with Christ would know better then to apply any kind of injustice to God. folks like Nancy Polosi do what they do by choice because she is evil. Maybe God has turned her over to a reprobate mind? The one thing we do know is that she will suffer for an eternity for the choices she has made in her life's pursuites and I would not want to be in hers shoe's when she breaths her last breath.
Injustices are considered to be the way of the world and we as believers are suppose to use injustice to draw closer to God.
I know how you feel but I don't think it is a good idea to pray for anyone's death. instead we should be praying for her salvation no matter how evil she might be.
All of these things that are happening to America and the world are all serving to bring about the fulfillment of Prophetic scripture.
From the day this country was settled our laws were all based on the Word of God but today the laws of God are mostly all transformed into laws that oppose the laws of God and the only folks who can be blamed for that is us. We let prayer be taken out of the schools, we let abortion become legalized, we let the gay agenda take root and flourish in our country to the point that if we stand up for what we believe in we can be sued and or put in jail. We are the reason that folks like Nancy Polosi are running our government because we did not stand tall for the Word of God. We are the reason well over 64,000,000 abortions have been preformed since Roe V Wade. and we are suffering the consiquences of our inability to stand tall for the Word of God. We let this happen to ourselves and it is not going to get better. It is going to get much worse for the Body of Christ as time comes closer to the end of our time here on earth so buckle up because the ruff ride is just getting started.
 

saintrose

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Job did come to mind for me, in likening your situation to that of his torments and losses. It is difficult for me to truly fathom the depths of the depravity of those you are dealing with, though I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, as do you, the source of it, and the pain, destruction, and tragedy of it, and I can understand how disturbing it is for you having to deal with such evil on a continual basis, the perplexity of wondering why God allows it, and the sense of being absolutely gobsmacked at how people can live with themselves when you see so clearly the corruption, collusion, cover-ups, and tacit indifferent acceptance of ongoing heartlessness and amoral behavior.

You are fortunate to have your husband for support. Do you seek emotional and moral support elsewhere? In the face of having so much weighing on you, widening the sphere in which you can share your burdens could help alleviate some of them for both of you. You may find yourself helping others in unforeseen ways in so doing, also. I wonder, too, if it would be possible at all for you to somehow distance yourself more from your family so you are not forced to deal with them so intimately. It might be ideal if you could move away from them to cut them off completely, though understandably that may be too impractical and/or disruptive, as well as draining financially. Peace of mind is a precious commodity not easily attained or maintained in the midst of such unmitigated lawlessness and taxing turmoil.

I looked up mail theft as well, and found that it should be reported to the
Postal Service. Report Mail Theft <- That is a link I hope is helpful to you.


Father God, we lift up to You our sister, Your precious daughter saintrose. As saintrose faces difficulties and overwhelming obstacles that seem insurmountable, please show Your power and give Rose triumph over her trials, that she may experience serenity in spite of all adversity and restrictions, proving her life to be a testimony to Your supremacy as she moves forward to conquer the enemies who seeks to destroy her. Thank You for giving saintrose steadfast strength to endure, that she may prevail in the work of our Lord, and rest in You while You fight her battles. Please clothe saintrose with power to overcome, and an increase in peace to be content in every circumstance, allowing saintrose an eternal mindset to release the toxins of bitterness and resentment. We thank You always for Your goodness and grace, knowing You are strong and true, working best through our weakness, with plans to prosper us, abounding in love for us. To You be all the power and praise and honor and glory, in the Name of above all names we pray, amen.

I am fortunate to have my husband's support. I have two friends who I get some support from. My pastor is no support at all and we're looking for another church anyway. I felt strengthened by bible study but that stopped so I miss the strengthening there. I totally cut every one of my ex-family out. When my father died my husband said "now you don't have to hear about any of them anymore." My youngest sisters attack on me was because I told her to stop contacting my children. She refused and kept trying to get them on her side. She never had her own children and was trying to sickly use mine. Believe me - everyone in that family except one is a parasite. So I don't have any dealings with them. The issue I have is with God. I think He should have done more. Why didn't he punish the witch? Why didn't the corrupt lawyer get arrested - you're not allowed to change a legal will - and that's what they did. God allowed me to have an honest judge and i won in court. My husband keeps saying "You won!" "You made a fool out of him and your sister made an a** out of herself." It's true but more should have been done because they broke the law. It really bothered me having my mail stolen. That lawyer should have been arrested and fired - now our taxes are paying her salary. WHERE IS GOD??? How can He look on my pain and sorrow and not act? HE is the problem. My whole problem is GOD. His inaction. I just feel very burned out.

My youngest never had any children and I made the mistake of sharing my children's phone numbers with her. She planted herself right in the center of MY family. She knew I was going through horrendous medical issues and waited until my husband & I went on a short trip and called my children and had them take my father out for his birthday. She was acting really funny towards me - and I didn't know why. Then I got a text with her fat rear sitting in the midst of MY family like the matriarch. I had a bad feeling about it. She comes from the same family of parasites - that's how my parents were - they were moral people but they were users and extremely selfish.

So the youngest sister was playing both sides of the fence and I withdrew and told her to stop contacting my children - she's a kook. My daughter said she has mental problems. My husband said she's delusional because she kept insisting that she had kids. She never had kids - she has two stepchildren. I watched as she tried turning the stepchildren against their birth mother and I didn't like it. So I think that she saw her dream of having children fulfilled in placing herself in my spot.

So that family is poison but GOD is the problem. He sits and watches my pain and does nothing.

Thank you for the link - it never occurred to me to report it to the postal service. I'm pretty discouraged. I emailed every one of the freeholders and not one would act. They all don't want to touch it.

Thank you for the beautiful prayer and encouraging words. I prayed the Psalm "How long do I have to cry and you do not answer?" I know what the apostles felt like when they despaired of life because I despair of life. What good is it living like this if God doesn't do what He promised? I'm at such a crossroads in my faith. I can't walk away from it because it's too intertwined with who I am. But the Scripture I've placed my faith in just doesn't seem to work. God looks on at severe injustice and does nothing.
 

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You are asking God to make a new rule, to rule that we don't have freedom to choose any longer. I'd much rather just do what God tells me to do, and accept that God can be trusted with how he created the world. God told me what to do when others choose to harm me.
So what would you have done if your corrupt sibling and her corrupt law'yer tried to steal some of the money that your parents left you as an inheritance? You would turn the other cheek and let them have it? My other sister is weak like that and she let the conniving older witch steal her house out from under her. Yes she turned the other cheek and lost a lot of money she may need someday. That house was HER CHILDREN'S INHERITANCE NOT the older sister's. Maybe you've never dealt with vipers before.
 

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In injustice never occurs at the hand of God. It always occures at the hands of men. So this falls back to "FREE WILL" and our "sinful nature". We can choose to do whatever we want at any time. Unjust Wars are never started by God but are always started by men and any unjust act ever made and ever will be made was made by the hands of men. Anyone who has an intimate relationship with Christ would know better then to apply any kind of injustice to God. folks like Nancy Polosi do what they do by choice because she is evil. Maybe God has turned her over to a reprobate mind? The one thing we do know is that she will suffer for an eternity for the choices she has made in her life's pursuites and I would not want to be in hers shoe's when she breaths her last breath.
Injustices are considered to be the way of the world and we as believers are suppose to use injustice to draw closer to God.
I know how you feel but I don't think it is a good idea to pray for anyone's death. instead we should be praying for her salvation no matter how evil she might be.
All of these things that are happening to America and the world are all serving to bring about the fulfillment of Prophetic scripture.
From the day this country was settled our laws were all based on the Word of God but today the laws of God are mostly all transformed into laws that oppose the laws of God and the only folks who can be blamed for that is us. We let prayer be taken out of the schools, we let abortion become legalized, we let the gay agenda take root and flourish in our country to the point that if we stand up for what we believe in we can be sued and or put in jail. We are the reason that folks like Nancy Polosi are running our government because we did not stand tall for the Word of God. We are the reason well over 64,000,000 abortions have been preformed since Roe V Wade. and we are suffering the consiquences of our inability to stand tall for the Word of God. We let this happen to ourselves and it is not going to get better. It is going to get much worse for the Body of Christ as time comes closer to the end of our time here on earth so buckle up because the ruff ride is just getting started.
I too would not want to be in Pelosi's shoes when she breathes her last. I understand about free will but what about all the promises in Scripture? What about when we're not strong enough to fight an opponent and they take unfair advantage like that corrupt lawyer did? Where is God? You're ignoring the verses that say He'll help us and fight for us.
 

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I too would not want to be in Pelosi's shoes when she breathes her last. I understand about free will but what about all the promises in Scripture? What about when we're not strong enough to fight an opponent and they take unfair advantage like that corrupt lawyer did? Where is God? You're ignoring the verses that say He'll help us and fight for us.

I know in the end times things are to get bad and we are seeing all the things you mentioned. I just want to know what kind of a God can sit there and watch one of His children - one doing HIS work - suffer so badly at the hands of evil people. That's what I can't understand. I love God and I love the things of the Lord yet such evil has been done to my family and I that it's as the saints crying out from under the altar asking God to avenge their blood. I am crying the same prayer. You just don't even know the half of it. I cry and cry and He doesn't act. So that doesn't align with the Scripture I believe in...it's a very hard place to be.
 

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I too would not want to be in Pelosi's shoes when she breathes her last. I understand about free will but what about all the promises in Scripture? What about when we're not strong enough to fight an opponent and they take unfair advantage like that corrupt lawyer did? Where is God? You're ignoring the verses that say He'll help us and fight for us.
It's all about your faith. There has been things that have happened in my life that were or seemed to be unfair and at the time I was saying the same thing. Where is God??? While I was going through stuff I didn't think I deserved.
My ex-wife once held my daughter from me for a whole year illegally and I didn't have the money to hire an attorney because I was paying so much child support nor did I know how long my ex- wife would with hold my daughter from me. Even though I sent birthday and Christmas gifts I found out later that my daughter never got them. But I never lost my faith and trusted that God knew what He was doing, Now when I look back on it I see that in that event and others I see that God was there the whole time working for mine and my daughter's future. My faith comes from having an intimate relationship with Christ because in spite of what it may look like I know that God is in control of all things at all times.
Take Job for example.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Take note here that scripture says that Job was a "perfect and upright" man so we know that Job didn't deserve what happened to him.
Job didn't have any idea of what was about to befall him yet when it did he never cursed God or backed away from God even though the wife of Job told him to curse God and die.
What about Joseph? He was thrown into a pit and left to die by his own brothers, sold to be a slave by a brother who pulled him out of the pit at about the age of 17. Was falsely accused of a crime, went to prison for a number of years. All because his father loved him so much and for no other reason. But he never lost his faith and hung on to God to help him get through.
God never promised to remove trouble from our lives but He did promise to help us to get through those times of trouble. God allows things to happen to us for a purpose and only God knows His purpose for allowing bad or unfair stuff to happen.


The ball is in your park. Are you going to keep weeping and praying until God acts?? Are you going to give up your troubles to God and commit to be faithful to God to the end no matter what happens??
 

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It's all about your faith. There has been things that have happened in my life that were or seemed to be unfair and at the time I was saying the same thing. Where is God??? While I was going through stuff I didn't think I deserved.
My ex-wife once held my daughter from me for a whole year illegally and I didn't have the money to hire an attorney because I was paying so much child support nor did I know how long my ex- wife would with hold my daughter from me. Even though I sent birthday and Christmas gifts I found out later that my daughter never got them. But I never lost my faith and trusted that God knew what He was doing, Now when I look back on it I see that in that event and others I see that God was there the whole time working for mine and my daughter's future. My faith comes from having an intimate relationship with Christ because in spite of what it may look like I know that God is in control of all things at all times.
Take Job for example.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Take note here that scripture says that Job was a "perfect and upright" man so we know that Job didn't deserve what happened to him.
Job didn't have any idea of what was about to befall him yet when it did he never cursed God or backed away from God even though the wife of Job told him to curse God and die.
What about Joseph? He was thrown into a pit and left to die by his own brothers, sold to be a slave by a brother who pulled him out of the pit at about the age of 17. Was falsely accused of a crime, went to prison for a number of years. All because his father loved him so much and for no other reason. But he never lost his faith and hung on to God to help him get through.
God never promised to remove trouble from our lives but He did promise to help us to get through those times of trouble. God allows things to happen to us for a purpose and only God knows His purpose for allowing bad or unfair stuff to happen.


The ball is in your park. Are you going to keep weeping and praying until God acts?? Are you going to give up your troubles to God and commit to be faithful to God to the end no matter what happens??
I always thought God was unfair to Job and to Joseph. I don't think Joseph's brothers deserved to be saved, except for the oldest one who didn't want to throw him in the pit.

I'm sorry for your troubles but mine were much more serious - my sister caused the death of someone in my family. She's EVIL. I can't understand why God doesn't take her out - she's still living at 67. Why? People die in their 60's and younger - why is the old witch still here to do more evil?

I am at a real crux in my faith. My brain feels like it's on fire - I know all the promises yet I'm SEEING something different. Scripture says "when the wicked are cut off YOU WILL SEE IT" but do I SEE IT? NO! This is what is tearing me apart. I believe in God - there's no way to UN-do it - but He seems cruel to me. I have despaired of life and have actually wanted to die - like Elijah - to get away from the emotional pain I felt and the lack of God's help. I didn't want to live in a world where God sat and watched as evil succeeded. Just like the Christian girl who was raped and turned from God. Why doesn't God act? So much evil has been done to my family & I - like we were a target of Satan. My husband even said "Satan must be afraid for you to use your gift" because I've been attacked so viciously. If I listed what has happened to us every year of our lives you would not believe it.

So when Magenta said God has a work for me to do I have always thought that - but so He's NOT going to protect my family and I as I do HIS work? I've evangelized - my ministry is leaving tracts everywhere - since that's how I was saved. And I was told I have the gift of discernment - but it's a painful gift. When the evil witch did evil to my child I could discern a triumphant spirit - an evil spirit - in her. I could see her evil eyes light up that she had done evil and gotten away with it. So this gift is PAINFUL. My brother told me she was jealous of me and wanted to see me have something bad happen. It worked - so why isn't God punished her and why isn't He showing me?

Every day is another day of pain - emotional and physical as I was badly damaged in an accident. But does God help me? No. I needed help with the medical bills and no money ever came through from the accident - my husband was stuck working 2 jobs. Then, even though I was badly mangled I was forced to return to work. I was setting a display and almost fainted. Where is God? I see others get settlements yet mine was withheld - and still is. I'm worried when this unemployment runs out because if I don't pay I don't get health care. It's another example of God not coming through for me.

Yes I am at a crux and the ball is in my court. I'm trying really hard to continue in my faith but am being tormented by doubts. How can you trust God who allows sick people to do sick things and then walk?

I met a woman online - a Christian - whose son was murdered on the way home from school. She had to go to his parole hearings every year to keep him in prison. WHERE IN THE HELL WAS GOD???? Why does she have to live with that? She always contacts me around Bryan's birthday because she said I'm the only one who understands. It's because I've been to hell too. And feel as if I'm still there.

It's easy to believe in God when things are going your way and no real tragedy strikes. My friend is like that - her life has been one of ease - she's never had the horrible hardships I've had. Her faith is strong and she's at peace - of course she is - nothing bad has ever befallen her. So she's a very good person but it hurts to talk to her because she has a kind of superior way about her - like I"m down in the dirt struggling and she's up above where no problems are. She's even been as Job's friends - blaming him for his problems. She has been a good friend and helped me through a bad time - but at a distance. She never went out of her way to visit when I went through multiple surgeries from the accident. But she always emailed me and listened as I struggled in my faith. But she would ignore my emails when I lay in bed for hours with no one to talk to. Then I'd email her weeks later and she'd answer - but it was always me emailing her. So she ignored my last email and I sat here by myself and thought if someone doesn't want to talk to me then so be it. So after about 5 months I guess she wondered what happened to me and she emailed me. I did the same thing to her: I ignored her email. So because I didn't answer her right away she emailed me again and asked what happened - so I ignored her again.

My youngest sister who was supposed to be my friend played both sides of the fence. Even though she knew the oldest did something unspeakably evil she kept talking to her. Yet I was the only one who ever visited her. When I was going through horrible surgeries she visited me in the hospital ONE time. Then that was it. Never called after major surgery...yet she called my KIDS. I had been through so much that I wasn't sure I was going to make it and I told her if anything happened to me I wanted her to be there for my kids. What a mistake! She had a deep problem as she's never had her own kids and she tried to step into my shoes while I was still here! She actually tried to sickly take over my family.

So let's get to my pastor. I did really like him -he's an easy going man. But I learned that he's a respecter of persons. He visited me in the hospital - which I appreciated. But then when we stopped going to church and supporting the church...his calls stopped and he refuses to talk to me.

So these are the types of sinful people I've been dealing with. Christians you say???? I hope some don't go to heaven. Some sins aren't as bad but some are EVIL. I see why people move in the middle of nowhere to get away from sinful people.

So where is God in all this? This is the flat out in your face evil smacking me and God does NOTHING.