If smoking ciggerettes was around at the time of Jesus would it have been classed a sin

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Actually that is not what Jesus said concerning demons, Jesus trained his decicples to defeat demons, And Jesus told we must stand firm in our faith every day and protect each other from demons, Jesus told the battle against demons is until the end. which means everyday, so no i wont take my advice somewhere else, Jesus christ exposed demons all the time, Jesus didnt say to his brothers go some where else if your going to expose demons, Jesus said stay on the watch tower you wouldnt want them to harm somebody would you.
I can't visit this thread any longer. I feel the demonic activity and presence and it is emanating from you.
 

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I know your opinion about demons and your obsession is troubling.
I can't visit this thread any longer. I feel the demonic activity and presence and it is emanating from you.
I dont think you do know, The main teachings Of Jesus christ was to heal the sick and to cast out demons, Many biblical scholars agree with this and say the main part of Christs teachings realate to casting out demons and healing the sick.

Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)

 

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How bout this, why don't we stop looking for demons in the bushes and pray for those Christians/ non Christians addicted to smoking? Ever hear of the song "Chain Breaker"? Jesus is the chain breaker!! Doesn't matter if they are chained by sex, drugs, food, or cigs. A pastor friend of mine just lost his wife. She was a sweetheart of a woman, but had a food addiction. She was well over 400 pounds at one point. That brought health complications and she finally passed from them. So how bout instead of putting people down and calling them a blight on society we lift them before the chain breaker, Jesus, and ask Him to heal them?? Never hear people condemning gossip in church though, never calling that a blight or a demon. smn
1 John 3:8

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8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
 

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I dont think you do know, The main teachings Of Jesus christ was to heal the sick and to cast out demons, Many biblical scholars agree with this and say the main part of Christs teachings realate to casting out demons and healing the sick.

Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)

I would run run run as fast as you can from this false teacher...
It would do you good to search out what this man teaches , as Jesus said " Beware of wolves in sheep clothing "
 

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I would run run run as fast as you can from this false teacher...
It would do you good to search out what this man teaches , as Jesus said " Beware of wolves in sheep clothing "
I dont know anything about that, I dont know him well enough. i dont recall any of his many sermons, only that one i posted which seems to be of a sound doctrin.

This to me is the most important part of our whole bible Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8) This is the most important work for us christians to follow, that we must all destroy the works of the devil, This scripture is a God send to me. It is the work that we christians need to do also everyday. We heal are sickeness by quitting smoking, we prevent other people smoking and getting sick by quiting, and at the same time i know 1000 percent that the works of the devil is to make people sick, and to tempt them into smoking, I know this with all my heart and mind and soul, and i know this what the holy spirit has been telling me this for years. Jesus came to destroy the works of devil, do you realise how powerful that is and how wonderful that is. Jesus came to earth to destroy the works of the devil, do you see this is why he told the Jews there father was of the devil, because they where believing his lies, Jesus came to save the Jews from the devils lies and us. Jesus loved the Jews even tho they would not believe. and i still love you rosemaryx.
 

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I dont know anything about that, I dont know him well enough. i dont recall any of his many sermons, only that one i posted which seems to be of a sound doctrin.

This to me is the most important part of our whole bible Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8) This is the most important work for us christians to follow, that we must all destroy the works of the devil, This scripture is a God send to me. It is the work that we christians need to do also everyday. We heal are sickeness by quitting smoking, we prevent other people smoking and getting sick by quiting, and at the same time i know 1000 percent that the works of the devil is to make people sick, and to tempt them into smoking, I know this with all my heart and mind and soul, and i know this what the holy spirit has been telling me this for years. Jesus came to destroy the works of devil, do you realise how powerful that is and how wonderful that is. Jesus came to earth to destroy the works of the devil, do you see this is why he told the Jews there father was of the devil, because they where believing his lies, Jesus came to save the Jews from the devils lies and us. Jesus loved the Jews even tho they would not believe. and i still love you rosemaryx.
I think you should study who is of God , and not just post some random video...
Satan is the best at mixing a little truth with lies , and twisting Scriptures...
This man is NAR , and his teachings are false...
As Jesus said " Beware of wolves in sheep clothing "...
 
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I dont know anything about that, I dont know him well enough. i dont recall any of his many sermons, only that one i posted which seems to be of a sound doctrin.

This to me is the most important part of our whole bible Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8) This is the most important work for us christians to follow, that we must all destroy the works of the devil, This scripture is a God send to me. It is the work that we christians need to do also everyday. We heal are sickeness by quitting smoking, we prevent other people smoking and getting sick by quiting, and at the same time i know 1000 percent that the works of the devil is to make people sick, and to tempt them into smoking, I know this with all my heart and mind and soul, and i know this what the holy spirit has been telling me this for years. Jesus came to destroy the works of devil, do you realise how powerful that is and how wonderful that is. Jesus came to earth to destroy the works of the devil, do you see this is why he told the Jews there father was of the devil, because they where believing his lies, Jesus came to save the Jews from the devils lies and us. Jesus loved the Jews even tho they would not believe. and i still love you rosemaryx.
A quick google search will reveal many demonic activities he is engaged in. Not surprisingly, you agree with him.

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I would run run run as fast as you can from this false teacher...
It would do you good to search out what this man teaches , as Jesus said " Beware of wolves in sheep clothing "Maybe but most of the time they should be running from us"
2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instruct those that oppose themselves
 

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What if I want to have sex with my neighbor's wife and I have faith that there's nothing wrong with it so long as I don't broadcast it to others with a "weak conscience." After all, Romans 14:14 says: "I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean." What would be wrong with that?
 

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I dont know anything about that, I dont know him well enough. i dont recall any of his many sermons, only that one i posted which seems to be of a sound doctrin.
Let's have a look at Bill Johnson's "sound" doctrine from this clip.

1. First he says, the more we represent who Jesus genuinely is, the more we become desirable to the nations. Jesus said: "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." The "Jesus" Johnson represents is another Jesus.

2. Next he does a clever conflation of two scriptures that have nothing to do with each other. First, John 3:8: "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." Then he quickly quotes John 20:21 to make it sound like they are somehow related: "As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you." This makes it sound like our job is to go out and defeat the works of the devil. However, that's not our job; our job is to preach Christ, who Himself has defeated the works of the devil.

3. Then he says God's will for us is to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devil, etc. What did Jesus say about this in John 16:29: "Jesus answered them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.' " Back in December of 2019, there was a high-profile case of a young girl named Olive, who folks at Bill Johnson's church (Bethel in Redding, California) prayed over for several days trying to raise her from the dead, but failed. Bethel Redding also has a ministry where that's all they do is go around praying for resurrections. To date they don't have one single verifiable resurrection.

That's all I have the stomach for. It's only a minute and a half in and he's told so many lies I can hardly keep up.
 
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Let's have a look at Bill Johnson's "sound" doctrine from this clip.

1. First he says, the more we represent who Jesus genuinely is, the more we become desirable to the nations. Jesus said: "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." The "Jesus" Johnson represents is another Jesus.

2. Next he does a clever conflation of two scriptures that have nothing to do with each other. First, John 3:8: "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." Then he quickly quotes John 20:21 to make it sound like they are somehow related: "As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you." This makes it sound like our job is to go out and defeat the works of the devil. However, that's not our job; our job is to preach Christ, who Himself has defeated the works of the devil.

3. Then he says God's will for us is to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devil, etc. What did Jesus say about this in John 16:29: "Jesus answered them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.' " Back in December of 2019, there was a high-profile case of a young girl named Olive, who folks at Bill Johnson's church (Bethel in Redding, California) prayed over for several days trying to raise her from the dead, but failed. Bethel Redding also has a ministry where that's all they do is go around praying for resurrections. To date they don't have one single verifiable resurrection.

That's all I have the stomach for. It's only a minute and a half in and he's told so many lies I can hardly keep up.

"Bill Johnson and Bethel Church practice many things that the Scriptures condemn, including witchcraft, necromancy, and ritual occultism. For example, Johnson and his church practice a form of witchcraft known as grave-sucking (or soaking) where people will lie on the graves of dead saints in order to “suck” (or “soak”) the anointing from them. Below is a picture of Johnson’s wife, Beni, practicing this heinous act. " https://reformationcharlotte.org/2021/06/22/false-teacher-of-the-day-26-bill-johnson/

 

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A quick google search will reveal many demonic activities he is engaged in. Not surprisingly, you agree with him.

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I dont know the guy to say i agree with something i dont about somebody is a yet another warped idea you have of me.. the most important part is what the bible states. Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8 and that includes smoking cigarettes, smoking cigarettes is the devils invention its called addiction and being a slave to sin. if you want to preach other wise so be it, thats your choice,

And if you want to go and attack my credibility and others to prove smoking is not a sin go there if you wish. I dont know bill johnston,, do undersrand this. full stop. i really am at the end my tether with your antics, i seariously have got sick of your insults. you have upset my feelings over and over again, your remarks are totaly twisted just like the remarks of satan
 
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I dont know the guy to say i agree with something i dont about somebody is a yet another warped idea you have of me.. the most important part is what the bible states. Jesus was sent to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8 and that includes smoking cigarettes, smoking cigarettes is the devils invention its called addiction and being a slave to sin. if you want to preach other wise so be it, thats your choice,

And if you want to go and attack my credibility and others to prove smoking is not a sin go there if you wish. I dont know bill johnston,, do undersrand this. full stop. i really am at the end my tether with your antics, i seariously have got sick of your insults. you have upset my feelings over and over again, your remarks are totaly twisted just like the remarks of satan
You are listening to and agreeing with a liar, false teacher, and demon worshiper. Your credibility and salvation is called into question because of what YOU post, not what I post.

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"Bill Johnson and Bethel Church practice many things that the Scriptures condemn, including witchcraft, necromancy, and ritual occultism. For example, Johnson and his church practice a form of witchcraft known as grave-sucking (or soaking) where people will lie on the graves of dead saints in order to “suck” (or “soak”) the anointing from them. Below is a picture of Johnson’s wife, Beni, practicing this heinous act. " https://reformationcharlotte.org/2021/06/22/false-teacher-of-the-day-26-bill-johnson/

LOL, I love how you types have to lie about those with who you disagree. The video also had Dr. Brown as saying nothing a biased video of those who hate those who one disagrees with.
 
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LOL, I love how you types have to lie about those with who you disagree with.
I don't disagree with false teachers, I help to expose them. Maybe you should attend Bethel Church. You might fit right in.

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I don't disagree with false teachers, I help to expose them. Maybe you should attend Bethel Church. You might fit right in.

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You exposed nothing LOL. And your insults are going to have you not here very long. Stop acting like a buffoon, with such arrogance.
 
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You exposed nothing LOL. And your insults are going to have you not here very long. Stop acting like a buffoon, with such arrogance.
LOL. Calling people "you types" isn't an insult? Maybe you should stop acting like a baffoon with such arrogance. And while you're at it, check out Bethel Church. I'm sure you'll love it.

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LOL. Calling people "you types" isn't an insult? Maybe you should stop acting like a baffoon with such arrogance. And while you're at it, check out Bethel Church. I'm sure you'll love it.

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"You type" was after you insulted the person earlier. YES you specifically, and you will be gone if you keep it up. You can disagree and those can disagree with you it does not bring their salvation into question because they do not AGREE WITH YOU. Grow up or say goodbye.
 

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You are listening to and agreeing with a liar, false teacher, and demon worshiper. Your credibility and salvation is called into question because of what YOU post, not what I post.

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this comment was uncalled for and you have been warned.
 
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"You type" was after you insulted the person earlier. YES you specifically, and you will be gone if you keep it up. You can disagree and those can disagree with you it does not bring their salvation into question because they do not AGREE WITH YOU. Grow up or say goodbye.
I don't care if people don't agree with me. When they agree with false teachers, it exposes them.

So, it's ok for you to insult people.... LOL... How about you grow up or say goodbye? Not sure who you think you are.

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