If smoking ciggerettes was around at the time of Jesus would it have been classed a sin

[HisKid]

nope you're the one pushing your truth and personal feeling which isn't biblical. you've pushed an agenda all the way through this thread that me and others are judging you've instigated way too much here in this thread and got away with it,? I've just shown you smoking is a sin, and it's a sin that ruins health, you want to class smoking as no less of a sin than other sin, which is totally wrong. Smoking is not just a sin that ruins health, it's also a drug that controls your nature which affects the fruits of the spirit

Whoever perpetrates a sin is a slave of that sin"

Again, anything that is not perfect is sin. So, everything we do every day of our lives is sin.

I have no agenda but to be straight with people. I don't candy coat anything. I'm not "getting away with" anything. What are you, my father? lol ... We're all adults here. If you don't like what I say, then just ignore me.

I have made very practical suggestions to you that would be very helpful but you seem to want to wallow in your own self-pity.

Set your mind on something else... or not.

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[Rockson]

well its one example was all i was saying why smoking could be a sin. , but i dont know how you feel about smoking being a sin ? heres many more reason why smoking could be a sin

WARNING: Tobacco smoke can harm your children.
WARNING: Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease in nonsmokers.
WARNING: Smoking causes head and neck cancer.
WARNING: Smoking causes bladder cancer, which can lead to bloody urine.
WARNING: Smoking during pregnancy stunts fetal growth.
WARNING: Smoking can cause heart disease and strokes by clogging arteries.
WARNING: Smoking causes COPD, a lung disease that can be fatal.
WARNING: Smoking reduces blood flow, which can cause erectile dysfunction.
WARNING: Smoking reduces blood flow to the limbs, which can require amputation.
WARNING: Smoking causes type 2 diabetes, which raises blood sugar.
WARNING: Smoking causes age-related macular degeneration, which can lead to blindness.
WARNING: Smoking causes cataracts, which can lead to blindness.
WARNING: Smoking causes anxiety.

Yeah I know we ALL pretty well know these things. As for me personally for myself I'd put it in the category of sin BUT, BUT, BUT....it does no good to try to lower the boom on others making my conviction on this theirs. They can give a rebuttal and to a point might even be right to that there's A LOT OF THINGS that aren't good for the body. Alcohol has a certain effect on blood vessels, sugar does this and that and the list can go on and other of a great many other things. Are we to go out with our fingers continually pointing outwards condemning others other everything under the sun? Why not with so many disputable matters really just have everybody pray....what is God telling YOU to do on some of these disputable areas. Leave some things, not all things no, but some things between God and them. I mean if they're going out to rob a bank you say NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! Christians don't do that period! There are so many other areas of things though.....I say give people time.

 

[HisKid]

Yeah I know we ALL pretty well know these things. As for me personally for myself I'd put it in the category of sin BUT, BUT, BUT....it does no good to try to lower the boom on others making my conviction on this theirs. They can give a rebuttal and to a point might even be right to that there's A LOT OF THINGS that aren't good for the body. Alcohol has a certain effect on blood vessels, sugar does this and that and the list can go on and other of a great many other things. Are we to go out with our fingers continually pointing outwards condemning others other everything under the sun? Why not with so many disputable matters really just have everybody pray....what is God telling YOU to do on some of these disputable areas. Leave some things, not all things no, but some things between God and them. I mean if they're going out to rob a bank you say NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! Christians don't do that period! There are so many other areas of things though.....I say give people time.

Give people time?.. as if they should all come around to what de-emerald believes? How about, mind his own business.

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[laymen]

Anything we do that is not perfect and misses the mark of perfection is sin. So, one could easily surmise that everything we do every day of our lives is sin.

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Any thing not of faith is sin.

 

[HisKid]

Any thing not of faith is sin.

Agree.

 

[de-emerald]

 

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Nope condemning people is not nice, and this is the agenda from people here in this thread that has caused people to think that's what I'm doing, they think their being condemned and proceed to retaliate, and then other people take that sin as being worse than a sin I'm not even committing, people view condemnation or judging as a really bad sin, this is totally ridiculous that people will slay you for this even tho you're not doing that, and at the same time point out all sin is sin but still slay you for judging even tho you are not, this is hypocrisy at its finest.


The real truth is I'm talking about a sin that no doubt people in this thread people are enslaved to, Instead of accepting this truth, they quote I'm judging them or condemning them, which then becomes a worse sin than the one I'm talking about. The thread then becomes derailed and what started of good with good intentions from the op gets seen as you are a no good judge and condemner.


Where talking about a sin that destroys health, for goodness’ sake, what can be worse than that.


John 8:34
34 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son belongs to it forever.

Jesus says you can not stay a slave to sin, where talking about a sin that defiles the temple for goodness sake, where not talking about a sin you may do just once today, where talking a bout a sin that keeps the temple your body defiled every minute of the day.

 

[de-emerald]

Again, anything that is not perfect is sin. So, everything we do every day of our lives is sin.

I have no agenda but to be straight with people. I don't candy coat anything. I'm not "getting away with" anything. What are you, my father? lol ... We're all adults here. If you don't like what I say, then just ignore me.

I have made very practical suggestions to you that would be very helpful but you seem to want to wallow in your own self-pity.

Set your mind on something else... or not.

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I'm not your father no, but that reply is immaturity at its finest and proves you are out to have me seen as a nagging condemner, which you have achieved already, and you also have made other people take this viewpoint.

What you are actually doing is preventing the Good lord from going to work by dismissing a very important matter, and tossing it off as it's no more important than committing adultery in the heart, or something.

You could commit adultery in the heart I agree with this, but that sin can be washed clean straight away, whereas continuing to defile your temple all day long is a different matter.

This must not be seen as Judging or condemning, this must be seen as caring,

my body as suffered the worst annoyance in my life the last 3 days i have had episodes of 3 hours or so being extremely annoyed, i have never felt annoyance like this never before and this really can't be any good for the fruits of the spirit that sit within, I'm now on day 22 without one single cigarette.

 

[HisKid]

I'm not your father no, but that reply is immaturity at its finest and proves you are out to have me seen as a nagging condemner, which you have achieved already, and you also have made other people take this viewpoint.

What you are actually doing is preventing the Good lord from going to work by dismissing a very important matter, and tossing it off as it's no more important than committing adultery in the heart, or something.

You could commit adultery in the heart I agree with this, but that sin can be washed clean straight away, whereas continuing to defile your temple all day long is a different matter.

This must not be seen as Judging or condemning, this must be seen as caring,

my body as suffered the worst annoyance in my life the last 3 days i have had episodes of 3 hours or so being extremely annoyed, i have never felt annoyance like this never before and this really can't be any good for the fruits of the spirit that sit within, I'm now on day 22 without one single cigarette.

Sir, you being a nagging condemner has nothing to do with me. You present yourself as such and continue to do so.

I understand that smoking to you is a very serious matter. What is more serious to me is how familiar you are with demons, so much so that you smell them. That is a far more serious matter than you smoking, in my opinion.

Why anyone would bring their personal problems to an internet forum with total strangers is beyond me, especially when you use your own personal problems to attack other people.

I still would really like to know how it is you are so familiar with demons. It is troubling.

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[de-emerald]

Sir, you being a nagging condemner has nothing to do with me. You present yourself as such and continue to do so.

I understand that smoking to you is a very serious matter. What is more serious to me is how familiar you are with demons, so much so that you smell them. That is a far more serious matter than you smoking, in my opinion.

Why anyone would bring their personal problems to an internet forum with total strangers is beyond me, especially when you use your own personal problems to attack other people.

I still would really like to know how it is you are so familiar with demons. It is troubling.

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Many people have also said when a demon has been near they have smelt sulfur, im not alone on that view point. i have smelt supfur to, because you might think that is odd or strange, doesnt warrant a person to think that is false, now that you know this, you could find out im not alone in this view point if you do a search on the internet.

What is troubling to me is people like your self will say how come your familiar to demons, suggesting that there must be something wrong with you, when actually Jesus christ warns us that demons have come to destroy christians. so i cant understand why people like your self would suggest something different.

The other thing is as well if you smoke you may not be able to smell a demon is near, because smoking effects your smelling sences, Now Jesus said in order for us to not be effected by demons we must put on the full armor of God, which in my opinion would not be defiling your own body.

There i have explained to you with manners yet again and with a caring wisdom for spiritual awareness. Spiritual well being is very important.

 

[HisKid]

Many people have also said when a demon has been near they have smelt sulfur, im not alone on that view point. i have smelt supfur to, because you might think that is odd or strange, doesnt warrant a person to think that is false, now that you know this, you could find out im not alone in this view point if you do a search on the internet.

What is troubling to me is people like your self will say how come your familiar to demons, suggesting that there must be something wrong with you, when actually Jesus christ warns us that demons have come to destroy christians. so i cant understand why people like your self would suggest something different.

The other thing is as well if you smoke you may not be able to smell a demon is near, because smoking effects your smelling sences, Now Jesus said in order for us to not be effected by demons we must put on the full armor of God, which in my opinion would not be defiling your own body.

There i have explained to you with manners yet again and with a caring wisdom for spiritual awareness. Spiritual well being is very important.

Actually, Jesus said that you must simply resist the devil and he will flee.

"If you smoke you might not know a demon is near"? Sir, you have the most bizarre beliefs I have ever come across. I encourage you to STOP focusing on and thinking about demons. You seem obsessed with demons. That, sir, is not what a child of God engages in.

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[kaylagrl]

Hi all dear brother and sisters. If smoking ciggerettes was classed as a sin, would you obey that law ?

Firstly there is no mention of smoking ciggerettes in our bible, so i can only assume they where not invented then.

However i need to ask the question,es why is adultery the only sin you can commit against your own body.

KJ21
Flee fornication. Every other sin which a man doeth is outside the body, but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.


I have a strong belief that the five sences of the body all get defiled and polluted when you smoke cigerettes, thus making smoking ciggerettes a sin against the body (the flesh) which then gives a demon the ability to possess the flesh of the body. would this be the same for adultery,

How bout this, why don't we stop looking for demons in the bushes and pray for those Christians/ non Christians addicted to smoking? Ever hear of the song "Chain Breaker"? Jesus is the chain breaker!! Doesn't matter if they are chained by sex, drugs, food, or cigs. A pastor friend of mine just lost his wife. She was a sweetheart of a woman, but had a food addiction. She was well over 400 pounds at one point. That brought health complications and she finally passed from them. So how bout instead of putting people down and calling them a blight on society we lift them before the chain breaker, Jesus, and ask Him to heal them?? Never hear people condemning gossip in church though, never calling that a blight or a demon. smn

 

[de-emerald]

Actually, Jesus said that you must simply resist the devil and he will flee.

"If you smoke you might not know a demon is near"? Sir, you have the most bizarre beliefs I have ever come across. I encourage you to STOP focusing on and thinking about demons. You seem obsessed with demons. That, sir, is not what a child of God engages in.

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He also said if you dont keep your house in order they will return

 

[de-emerald]

How bout this, why don't we stop looking for demons in the bushes and pray for those Christians/ non Christians addicted to smoking? Ever hear of the song "Chain Breaker"? Jesus is the chain breaker!! Doesn't matter if they are chained by sex, drugs, food, or cigs. A pastor friend of mine just lost his wife. She was a sweetheart of a woman, but had a food addiction. She was well over 400 pounds at one point. That brought health complications and she finally passed from them. So how bout instead of putting people down and calling them a blight on society we lift them before the chain breaker, Jesus, and ask Him to heal them?? Never hear people condemning gossip in church though, never calling that a blight or a demon. smn

I do pray and i dont go looking for demons, and you along with others shouldnt dissmiss that demons can go looking for people. Jesus talked about demons alot, Ive been praying all the time recently for people to quit smoking, im qualified to know how bad smoking is, what you should be doing is not jumping to conclusions.

The other big reality is many people are not that well educated when it comes to demons. so perhaps instead of thinking that you know more than i do i would suggest maybe being polite and asking rather than informing, because its quite clear many people dont know what demons are capable of,, its also clear that people dont recognise a demon will tempt a person into smoking, and there will be a reason for that,

 

[HisKid]

He also said if you dont keep your house in order they will return

So keep your house in order.

 

[HisKid]

I do pray and i dont go looking for demons, and you along with others shouldnt dissmiss that demons can go looking for people. Jesus talked about demons alot, Ive been praying all the time recently for people to quit smoking, im qualified to know how bad smoking is, what you should be doing is not jumping to conclusions.

The other big reality is many people are not that well educated when it comes to demons. so perhaps instead of thinking that you know more than i do i would suggest maybe being polite and asking rather than informing, because its quite clear many people dont know what demons are capable of,, its also clear that people dont recognise a demon will tempt a person into smoking, and there will be a reason for that,

Can you please take your demon-obsession somewhere else?

 

[de-emerald]

Can you please take your demon-obsession somewhere else?

Actually that is not what Jesus said concerning demons, Jesus trained his decicples to defeat demons, And Jesus told we must stand firm in our faith every day and protect each other from demons, Jesus told the battle against demons is until the end. which means everyday, so no i wont take my advice somewhere else, Jesus christ exposed demons all the time, Jesus didnt say to his brothers go some where else if your going to expose demons, Jesus said stay on the watch tower you wouldnt want them to harm somebody would you.

 

[de-emerald]

So keep your house in order.

Thats the best advice you given to date in this thread maybe you should carry on from this point.

 

[flygplan]

LOL, I guess you assume all those who eat at a buffet do so to excess? Also, you don't need to justify your smoking by pointing out other health issues. I know people who smoke right after church and drive to that same buffet, your point is what>?

I don't smoke, and as far as I can understand.. re-reading my post I'm not justifying smoking. I also was trying to be specific to the ones who binge eat, setting an example. I'm just making it equally as bad as any other addiction or mental health issue. However, some addictions seem to be more important to mainstream Christianity than others, and used as a tool to point out somebody else's sin. I believe the one who's assuming is you. Chill out man.

 

[HisKid]

Actually that is not what Jesus said concerning demons, Jesus trained his decicples to defeat demons, And Jesus told we must stand firm in our faith every day and protect each other from demons, Jesus told the battle against demons is until the end. which means everyday, so no i wont take my advice somewhere else, Jesus christ exposed demons all the time, Jesus didnt say to his brothers go some where else if your going to expose demons, Jesus said stay on the watch tower you wouldnt want them to harm somebody would you.

I know your opinion about demons and your obsession is troubling.

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