It isn't written 'saved and unsaved', those are the words, why are you using them?
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee,
that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.
And I am wondering if it is time to exercise myself, and move away from this conversation. One last try. /QUOTE]
What do you think "righteous" and "wicked" means? Salvation by lifestyle???
I sure hope you don't. The ONLY REASON the saved are called the "righteous" is because believers have been placed into UNION with Christ at salvation. So we SHARE what He has. He is perfect righteousness, and believers share that, positionally. Certainly NOT experientially while on earth in our mortal bodies.
What does this say to you?
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent me,
hath everlasting life,
2192. echó ►
Strong's Concordance
echó: to have, hold
Original Word: ἔχω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: echó
Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-o)
Definition: to have, hold
Usage: I have, hold, possess.
and shall not come into condemnation;
2920. krisis ►
Strong's Concordance
krisis: a decision, judgment
Original Word: κρίσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: krisis
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-sis)
Definition: a decision, judgment
Usage: judging, judgment, decision, sentence; generally: divine judgment; accusation.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2920 krísis (a feminine noun derived from 2919 /krínō, "to separate, distinguish, judge") – judgment, emphasizing its qualitative aspect that can apply either to a positive verdict (for righteousness) – or more commonly, a "negative" verdict which condemns the nature of sin that brings it on. See 2919 (krinō).
[2917 (kríma) stresses the results that go with a particular judgment (of blessing or pain depending on the choice).]
but is passed from death unto life.
HOW IT READS IN THE GREEK
Truly truly I say to you that the [one] the word of Me hearing and believing the {ONE} having sent Me, HE HAS LIFE ETERNAL AND INTO JUDGMENT NOT COMES BUT HAS PASSED OUT OF DEATH INTO LIFE
If we have ALREADY PASSED OUT OF DEATH INTO LIFE
then WE WILL NEVER BE DEAD again
OK, one more TRY, as you say.
The phrase "already passed out of death into life" is a direct comment about passing from SPIRITUAL death INTO SPIRITUAL life.
so WE WILL NEVER be amongst the dead, not for any period of time.
Are you saying none of your parents, grandparents (those who are saved) ever died?
When you hear reports of saved people dying, you you just dismiss them as not really saved?
I just don't understand your difficulty with all this.
Heb 9:27 SAYS everyone will physically DIE. But you don't believe that saved people CAN die. Your opinion is in direct conflict with Heb 9:27. You ARE going to die, even if you are saved.
making it impossible for us to resurrect with the dead because we will not have gone to hell but we will have gone to heaven
SO, WE CAN'T BE 'THE DEAD' WHO RISE WHEN CHRIST RETURNS because we don't go to hell WE have received the gift of salvation.
There is NO ONE in heaven with a physical body, and never will be.
Paul explained all this.
1 Cor 15:
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
Tell you what: read all of 1 Cor 15 and if you aren't convinced that all saved people will die physically, then you just refuse to be convinced.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
The "hour" has not been revealed. We only know approximately. All the saved will be resurrected/glorified "when He comes" back at the Second Advent, but we don't have a date for that. And all the unsaved will be resurrected after the battle of Gog and Magog at the end of the Millennial reign.